So, How Much Money Did Mrs. Rice Just Lose?

[Millhouse]

Not sure I follow you here - if a crime isn't an action in a moment of time, what is it?

everything happens in moments of time. it's a silly distinction.

it would be really exhausting to swing your fists into womens faces continually. throwing punches all day long, keeping women within arms length at all time

 

[Halfmooncuse]

Hitting a woman is horrible. Hitting her so hard that you knock her out then drag her body out of an elevator with her clothes up around her ass is barbarric!. Ray Rice is a physical monster matched by a brain that must be the size of a worm. What were the chances that the punch could have killed her or caused severe brain injury ? If you think thats the first time he has hit a woman or the last ,would you want him to marry your daughter. Maybe he can make some money selling Raven autographed wife beater shirts.

 

[Millhouse]

Not to be an @sshole, but there are plenty of women out there who abuse men, too - physically, verbally and emotionally. There are plenty of women out there who hit men, and to an extent they are empowered to do so by society's moral ban on striking a woman. Apart from the strength issue (which can be negated by use of a weapon by the woman), why is a man striking a woman any worse than a woman striking a man?

if some woman attacks you with a weapon, feel free to knock her out. aye yi yi

i think it's a useful taboo considering the rather uneven history of violence between men and women

"apart from the strength issue" that's a pretty big part of it

 

[KaiserUEO]

i still wish he won Syracuse some games during the grobbycakes era and didnt go to rutty.

this whole glass house, 'im glad hes not a Syracuse guy'...bullspit is just that...bullspit.

 

[IthacaMatt]

if some woman attacks you with a weapon, feel free to knock her out. aye yi yi

i think it's a useful taboo considering the rather uneven history of violence between men and women

"apart from the strength issue" that's a pretty big part of it

It's not a joke. Domestic violence is a two-way street. A bit of research:

"According to a 2010 national survey by the Centers for Disease Control and U.S. Department of Justice, in the last 12 months more men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence and over 40% of severe physical violence was directed at men. Men were also more often the victim of psychological aggression and control over sexual or reproductive health. Despite this, few services are available to male victims of intimate partner violence.

This paper [Hoff, B. H. (2012), National Study: More Men than Women Victims of Intimate Partner Physical Violence, Psychological Aggression. ] explores the extent of intimate partner violence against male victims. It looks at the domestic violence system response to male victims. It re-examines data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, research on the impact of IPV on male victims and the system´s response to it.

More research is needed on IPV against men, its impact on men and the domestic violence service response to male victims. Public education is needed on the extent of IPV against males, and services need to be provided for these victims. Increased domestic violence education directed at women and services to men should lead to a reduction of DV against women as well as men, since woman aggressors frequently are themselves victimized subsequently.

• Public education efforts about intimate partner violence should not be gender-neutral, but should be specifically addressed to woman and girls as well as boys and men.
• State programs need to ensure that domestic violence services are provided to men across the state."

 

[orange_in_VA]

She might be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of "traumatic bonding", which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other." One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim. Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be perceived as a threat.

 

[SBro44]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/nfl/arrests/

check out this list... the number of domestic violence arrests is endless... (which, side note, is really sad)

Why didn't these players receive as harsh a penalty? Because it isn't on video? Isn't witnesses or a bruise on the face enough evidence?

What Ray Rice did is terrible... but his punishment should be handed out by police because of the law... not by the masses because of their twitter reactions. IMO.

 

[Millhouse]

i still wish he won Syracuse some games during the grobbycakes era and didnt go to rutty.

this whole glass house, 'im glad hes not a Syracuse guy'...bullspit is just that...bullspit.

not for all of us. i wish that our aholes weren't syracuse guys either

 

[SBro44]

2009-05-26ATLQuinn OjinnakaOTArrestedDomestic violence
Accused of tossing his wife down the stairs and throwing her out of the house after an argument over him contacting a girl on Facebook in Gwinnett County, Ga.


Resolution undetermined. NFL suspended one game.


inclduing this SU alum

 

[OrangeTarheel]

it would be really exhausting to swing your fists into womens faces continually. throwing punches all day long, keeping women within arms length at all time

I LOL'd at work reading this.

If his wife was your mother or sister the concern wouldn't be "Oh no, she's being punished by losing all that money" -- it would be "How do I get her out of this relationship so he doesn't kill her."

And I don't think Ray Rice should be cut some slack or that we should in any way attempt to lessen the impact of penalty on him. Responsibility and accountability is important to fair treatment of everyone, we might not all get held in the public eye like Rice but accountability is what we all deserve.

 

[Millhouse]

It's not a joke. Domestic violence is a two-way street. A bit of research:

"According to a 2010 national survey by the Centers for Disease Control and U.S. Department of Justice, in the last 12 months more men than women were victims of intimate partner physical violence and over 40% of severe physical violence was directed at men. Men were also more often the victim of psychological aggression and control over s e xual or reproductive health. Despite this, few services are available to male victims of intimate partner violence.

This paper [Hoff, B. H. (2012), National Study: More Men than Women Victims of Intimate Partner Physical Violence, Psychological Aggression. ] explores the extent of intimate partner violence against male victims. It looks at the domestic violence system response to male victims. It re-examines data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control National Intimate Partner and s e xual Violence Survey, research on the impact of IPV on male victims and the system´s response to it.

More research is needed on IPV against men, its impact on men and the domestic violence service response to male victims. Public education is needed on the extent of IPV against males, and services need to be provided for these victims. Increased domestic violence education directed at women and services to men should lead to a reduction of DV against women as well as men, since woman aggressors frequently are themselves victimized subsequently.

• Public education efforts about intimate partner violence should not be gender-neutral, but should be specifically addressed to woman and girls as well as boys and men.
• State programs need to ensure that domestic violence services are provided to men across the state."

someone has to have control over s exual or reproductive health, whatever that is.

not putting out for aholes like ray rice might harm ray rice's s exual health according to ray rice

so even those survey stats, of which i'm quite skeptical and only apply to 2009-2010, men are 50% more likely than women to be violent

i'm going to go join NOW and burn a bra now

 

[IthacaMatt]

someone has to have control over s exual or reproductive health, whatever that is.

not putting out for aholes like ray rice might harm ray rice's s exual health according to ray rice

so even those survey stats, of which i'm quite skeptical and only apply to 2009-2010, men are 50% more likely than women to be violent

i'm going to go join NOW and burn a bra now

I'm not arguing that what Rice did was awful, and that he deserves to be fired from his job due to the bad reflection on his employer, and he belongs in jail.

My point was directed more toward the many guys on here who are saying "It's always wrong to hit a woman." Woman are frequently the instigators of domestic violence and can be emotionally abusive in ways that are foreign to how men think.

 

[longislandcuse]

She might be suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.

Stockholm syndrome can be seen as a form of "traumatic bonding", which does not necessarily require a hostage scenario, but which describes "strong emotional ties that develop between two persons where one person intermittently harasses, beats, threatens, abuses, or intimidates the other." One commonly used hypothesis to explain the effect of Stockholm syndrome is based on Freudian theory. It suggests that the bonding is the individual's response to trauma in becoming a victim. Identifying with the aggressor is one way that the ego defends itself. When a victim believes the same values as the aggressor, they cease to be perceived as a threat.

I get this but just because it happens, doesnt mean that is the case here. I made the mistake of reading a Buzzfeed comment section and like 100 women are on there saying her defense of Ray Rice is proof she's in an abusive relationship.

Just because it happened to you or someone you know or you took a psych class is college doesn't mean that's always the case. Not everyone who says "I'm not an alcoholic" is definitely an alcoholic.

 

[longislandcuse]

I'm not arguing that what Rice did was awful, and that he deserves to be fired from his job due to the bad reflection on his employer, and he belongs in jail.

My point was directed more toward the many guys on here who are saying "It's always wrong to hit a woman." Woman are frequently the instigators of domestic violence and can be emotionally abusive in ways that are foreign to how men think.

Go to a club in Atlanta and watch how many women start fights with men knowing full well that dude BETTER not hit her back. It's comical but when you think about it, not really, because it speaks to the point you bring up.

 

[OrangePA]

we've been disagreeing less but i just think this is really ugly. talking about "in the context of an intense male-female relationship" is almost implying that people who criticize him more harshly are taking it out of context. not quite but it's close

plenty of good people commit reckless crimes that endanger people - drunk driving is a good example. i don't know any good guys who've ever hit a woman. hell, anyone who sucker punches another guy is probably a piece of garbage all around, much less hitting a woman. i think it's safe to assume the worst about people who hit women. what good does it do to give those guys any benefit of the doubt?

Yes, it's a pretty awful thing to do.

And I'm not giving him the benefit of anything.

He committed a crime. The criminal justice system has processed the crime.

And the victim is now suffering a financial hit that she probably does not welcome.

And that financial loss was probably prompted by what has become a media-induced tendency to resolve bad behavior with lightening speed and lethal intensity- not necessarily on the basis of genuine concern for the victim.

That's the point I was trying to make.

 

[Millhouse]

Yes, it's a pretty awful thing to do.

And I'm not giving him the benefit of anything.

He committed a crime. The criminal justice system has processed the crime.

And the victim is now suffering a financial hit that she probably does not welcome.

And that financial loss was probably prompted by what has become a media-induced tendency to resolve bad behavior with lightening speed and lethal intensity- not necessarily on the basis of genuine concern for the victim.

That's the point I was trying to make.

leave him, have someone write a book, slap your name on it, make millions, marry some other rich guy

 

[Chip]

Then we have people on this forum trying to use psychological inferences to make everyone believe that Ray Rice is and has always been a woman beater and/or horrible human being. By all accounts, aside from that incident, he had been a pillar of the community and a great guy. People do make mistakes, I forgot how many perfect people are out there.

What he did was awful but him and his WIFE have moved on from it and are in what seems to be a loving marriage.

<Insert chill Kermit the Frog meme> "but that's none of my business"

Speaking of ridiculous posts...

This is one unfair world if you smash a woman's face, drag her through a lobby by her hair, and people have the unfeeling nerve to think you might have done that before or might do it again.

You know how you prove you're a pillar to the community? By not smashing women's faces and dragging them through a lobby by their hair. (Which I think is actually 2 mistakes).

Some mistakes are judged more than others. I feel terrible about that, but again, no one said the world is fair.

I'm sure they'll live happily ever after.

 

[orange_in_VA]

I get this but just because it happens, doesnt mean that is the case here. I made the mistake of reading a Buzzfeed comment section and like 100 women are on there saying her defense of Ray Rice is proof she's in an abusive relationship.

Just because it happened to you or someone you know or you took a psych class is college doesn't mean that's always the case. Not everyone who says "I'm not an alcoholic" is definitely an alcoholic.

I made no definitive statement one way or the other, prefacing my second statement with the first which included the word "might". Thereby absolving myself from a stance in either direction. I get that you feel strongly in your stance, as your conviction throughout numerous rebuttals has shown, but everyone is entitled to feel a certain way about things and share those feelings on an open forum in whichever way they see fit. There are no absolute truths in life, including your own. In fact the louder you shout, the more insecure you look with your statement. Regardless of your feelings on the subject, I was offering a plausible, rational excuse for her actions without definitively picking a dog in this fight. All this topic includes is speculative conjecture at this point, so get off your high horse and add something to the conversation, which should all be in good fun, instead of telling everyone else how they are wrong.

 

[retro44]

1.) she's married to his money.

2.) does she even remember the punch?

3.) she's lucky to be alive after her hitting her head on sideways fall. Could have broken her neck the way her head bent to the side.

4.) Could she sue the NFL if she never saw the film,but they knew about it if she didn't remember the punch.

5.) how does her family look at Ray Rice now....could be a difference maker

6.) his reaction after the knockout punch was calm as if he's been thru this before. I don't think for a second that this is a one time event and I really don't give a flying **** about what he has done for the community as this trumps all else...freaking fraud and a rutgirls non-graduate

7.) what financial hit did she take? What judge after seeing the video would let Rice keep their house, Mercedes Benz and other assets. He would be lucky to keep his team issued jock straps

 

[KaiserUEO]

not for all of us. i wish that our aholes weren't syracuse guys either

fair enough, too many dont realize we have aholes though.

once they leave the school, i could really care less what they do.

i think the atletes who fail at their sport at the next level do much more damage to the rep, than a lone wolf going all tommy kane on someone.

i dont believe any course of action taken in life is going to be rooted in, or couldve been prevented by...a class taken on the Hill.

good guys will sometimes do bad things.

bad guys will sometimes remain clean forever.

generally, id wager that the track record of 'bad' guys going to college on an athletic scholarship more often than not...turn into good guys.

fwiw: this video came out once the casino went belly-up, id wager that the casino heads were sitting on that video to protect themselves. once there was no one to protect...whoops, did i just send that to TMZ???

and TMZ waited till the day after Day 1 of the regular season to drop it, a nice big poop on what im sure is normally one of the NFLs biggest media days of the year.

 

[MadNY3]

Yes, it's a pretty awful thing to do.

And I'm not giving him the benefit of anything.

He committed a crime. The criminal justice system has processed the crime.

And the victim is now suffering a financial hit that she probably does not welcome.

And that financial loss was probably prompted by what has become a media-induced tendency to resolve bad behavior with lightening speed and lethal intensity- not necessarily on the basis of genuine concern for the victim.

That's the point I was trying to make.

Fascinating take. I don't agree in the same manner, but I have to say...you introduced the smartest thread we've had since DickInMI roamed these parts.

 

[retro44]

fair enough, too many dont realize we have aholes though.

once they leave the school, i could really care less what they do.

i think the atletes who fail at their sport at the next level do much more damage to the rep, than a lone wolf going all tommy kane on someone.

i dont believe any course of action taken in life is going to be rooted in, or couldve been prevented by...a class taken on the Hill.

good guys will sometimes do bad things.

bad guys will sometimes remain clean forever.

generally, id wager that the track record of 'bad' guys going to college on an athletic scholarship more often than not...turn into good guys.

fwiw: this video came out once the casino went belly-up, id wager that the casino heads were sitting on that video to protect themselves. once there was no one to protect...whoops, did i just send that to TMZ???

and TMZ waited till the day after Day 1 of the regular season to drop it, a nice big poop on what im sure is normally one of the NFLs biggest media days of the year.

Where is tommy Kane now? jail.

Rice's punch could very easily killed her and where is he now?

 

[longislandcuse]

I made no definitive statement one way or the other, prefacing my second statement with the first which included the word "might". Thereby absolving myself from a stance in either direction. I get that you feel strongly in your stance, as your conviction throughout numerous rebuttals has shown, but everyone is entitled to feel a certain way about things and share those feelings on an open forum in whichever way they see fit. There are no absolute truths in life, including your own. In fact the louder you shout, the more insecure you look with your statement. Regardless of your feelings on the subject, I was offering a plausible, rational excuse for her actions without definitively picking a dog in this fight. All this topic includes is speculative conjecture at this point, so get off your high horse and add something to the conversation, which should all be in good fun, instead of telling everyone else how they are wrong.

My issue is with all the judgmental definitive posts, if you didn't make one then i'm not referring to you. You're absolutely allowed to feel however you want to feel, after all, what he did was reprehensible. I guess i'm just a huge believer in second chances and the idea that one action (positive or negative) does not define a human being.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Where is tommy Kane now? jail.

Rice's punch could very easily killed her and where is he now?

Isn't that why we have a justice system? Or are we settling court cases via public opinion now?

 

[orange_in_VA]

My issue is with all the judgmental definitive posts, if you didn't make one then i'm not referring to you. You're absolutely allowed to feel however you want to feel, after all, what he did was reprehensible. I guess i'm just a huge believer in second chances.

That right there is all you had to say, and I do applaud you for having a stance to begin with. Abuse of women is always something that will stir the emotions of good men. I appreciate having someone bring an opposing viewpoint to the table, as it gives me things to ponder and lets others consider their own morality. My issue was with some of the ways you were presenting your side I guess.


"Just because it happened to you or someone you know or you took a psych class is college doesn't mean that's always the case." This line in particular seemed callous, and is not an appropriate way to share your viewpoint. Having said that, I do not truly believe that was your intent, however others may dismiss your point altogether by things like that. There are better ways to get your point across without making yourself sound like you're superior.