So the mid-majors

[PhatOrange]

only 4 mid-majors made it to the sweet 16; Villanova, Gonzaga, Loyola-Chicago and Nevada. And Nevada beat another mid-major (Cincy) to get there.

The committee can keep giving the mid-majors high seeds and the P5 will continue sending them home early.

that is all

 

[RMH44]

only 4 mid-majors made it to the sweet 16; Villanova, Gonzaga, Loyola-Chicago and Nevada. And Nevada beat another mid-major (Cincy) to get there.

The committee can keep giving the mid-majors high seeds and the P5 will continue sending them home early.

that is all

The Big East is a mid-major conference? Not in hoops.

 

[longislandcuse]

The Big East in a mid-major conference? Not in hoops.

Sure seems like it...

When I ventured over to the UConn board for some late night laughs someone said "Only difference between the Big East and AAC is Villanova"... I'd agree.

 

[PhatOrange]

The Big East in a mid-major conference? Not in hoops.

They're not P5 though and I'd agree some schools in the conference are not mid-major basketball schools and never have been but the majority are.

It's part of the reason that Xavier gets a high seed, beating up on mid-majors.

Nova #1
Xavier #1
Creighton #8
Providence #10
Seton Hall #8
Butler #10
marquette
gtown
depaul
stjohns

 

[SaltineWarrior]

There is a case to be made that in basketball, Big East replaces Pac 12 in the P5.

 

[NineOneSeven]

They're not P5 though and I'd agree some schools in the conference are not mid-major basketball schools and never have been but the majority are.

It's part of the reason that Xavier gets a high seed, beating up on mid-majors.

Uva and UNC both lost too. Can you explain that?

 

[PhatOrange]

Uva and UNC both lost too. Can you explain that?

don't have to explain it upsets happen. ACC has 25% of the sweet 16

50% of the Sweet 16 is two conference. ACC and Big12

 

[UnknownOrange]

Two 1 seeds, Two 2 seeds, Two 3 seeds, and Three 4 seeds all are sitting at home today.

The tournament doesn't care who you are or where you're from. Mercy will not be shown.

 

[NineOneSeven]

don't have to explain it upsets happen. ACC has 25% of the sweet 16

50% of the Sweet 16 is two conference. ACC and Big12

Xavier was upset.

 

[longislandcuse]

It's Nova and a bunch of pretenders. Xavier will take a big step back after this year and that's the #2 program in the Big East. Butler, Providence, Creighton, Seton Hall...ok, am I supposed to be impressed by those programs?

 

[Waltdods]

don't have to explain it upsets happen. ACC has 25% of the sweet 16

50% of the Sweet 16 is two conference. ACC and Big12

And last year the ACC had one Sweet 16 team.

 

[longislandcuse]

And last year the ACC had one Sweet 16 team.

That's clearly an outlier and that ACC team won the title.

 

[gbo]

Xavier was upset.

True but they were also overseeded. Probably should have been more in line with a 3 or 4 seed.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Cincinnati, Villanova, Gonzaga, and Xavier aren’t mid-majors. Loyola yes.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Gonzaga was in the championship game last year. Villanova won the championship two years ago. Butler went to back to back championship games. Wichita F4 5 years ago. VCU F4 run. Memphis was in the title game a decade ago.

 

[longislandcuse]

Gonzaga was in the championship game last year. Villanova won the championship two years ago. Butler went to back to back championship games. Wichita F4 5 years ago. VCU F4 run. Memphis was in the title game a decade ago.

Ok.. 5 years ago, a decade ago? Should we list UConns accomplishments pre-AAC?

There's some good "programs" that aren't P5...clearly.

However, the Big East is sooooo overhyped on this board.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Ok.. 5 years ago, a decade ago? Should we list UConns accomplishments pre-AAC?

There's some good "programs" that aren't P5...clearly.

However, the Big East is sooooo overhyped on this board.

I mean... it's been 15 years since SU made the championship

 

[AlaskaSU]

Two different ways to define mid-majors and the definitions are incompatible; historical consistency of the program vs conference affiliation.

 

[SU2NASA]

Thought this was going to be about Georgetown and UConn

 

[Waltdods]

That's clearly an outlier and that ACC team won the title.

I'm not taking a shot at the ACC, which I agree is clearly a half-step or so above all the other conferences. The point is that cherry-picked statistics don't prove the Big East is not the equivalent of a power-5 conference. Even your point - Villanova could easily win the title this year (I would think they're the favorite right now). One of the power-5 conferences went 0-3 in this tournament; I don't see how anyone can possibly say the Big East isn't a notably better conference than the Pac-12 and on par with the rest of the non-ACC power-5 conferences.

 

[longislandcuse]

I'm not taking a shot at the ACC, which I agree is clearly a half-step or so above all the other conferences. The point is that cherry-picked statistics don't prove the Big East is not the equivalent of a power-5 conference. Even your point - Villanova could easily win the title this year (I would think they're the favorite right now). One of the power-5 conferences went 0-3 in this tournament; I don't see how anyone can possibly say the Big East isn't a notably better conference than the Pac-12 and on par with the rest of the non-ACC power-5 conferences.

The PAC-12 has issues. Neither their football or basketball has been P5 worthy as of late. I'll completely agree that the Big East, hell, the AAC is better than the PAC-12 in CBB.

 

[Day2]

And last year the ACC had one Sweet 16 team.

Would have been two had they let us in.

 

[Waltdods]

The PAC-12 has issues. Neither their football or basketball has been P5 worthy as of late. I'll completely agree that the Big East, hell, the AAC is better than the PAC-12 in CBB.

I'm not sure then there's much meaning in the word "mid-major" if you agree it includes conferences that are plainly not mid-major.

 

[longislandcuse]

I'm not sure then there's much meaning in the word "mid-major" if you agree it includes conferences that are plainly not mid-major.

One conference is in question, the PAC-12.

There's clearly a huge seperation in CFB/CBB between the ACC/SEC/B1G/Big XII and the rest.

 

[moqui]

Two different ways to define mid-majors and the definitions are incompatible; historical consistency of the program vs conference affiliation.

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