So what is it in Marrone's offense that Nassib can't do?

[Millhouse]

I'm terrified that this is the case. I've got to hope for something though.

if you want to hope for something, you should be open to the idea that your assumptions about nassib's ability to do more are wrong.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

if you want to hope for something, you should be open to the idea that your assumptions about nassib's ability to do more are wrong.

Really? Better to hope for that than just that Marrone's true system doesn't blow? Really?

 

[Millhouse]

Really? Better to hope for that than just that Marrone's true system doesn't blow? Really?

players come and go much faster than coaches do. so yes.

your continued "how can this be??" all comes from your 2 dumb assumptions that the offense can't be worse and that nassib is capable of more. if you could ever bring yourself to relax those two dumb assumptions, you might be less concerned about marrone.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

players come and go much faster than coaches do. so yes.

Which is exactly why it makes more sense to me to hope that Marrone's true system isn't just the crap we see now. If Nassib just sucks the nightmare will be over soon.

your continued "how can this be??" all comes from your 2 dumb assumptions that the offense can't be worse and that nassib is capable of more. if you could ever bring yourself to relax those two dumb assumptions, you might be less concerned about marrone.

So are you saying that Nassib is so deficient that he can't run no huddle, and we can't use spread formations with him as the QB? I mean if you do, swell, embrace that, I just have a hard time equating Nassib can't do more with them saying our QB is so bad we're just not going to run some formations and there's not a chance we'll try to pick up the pace.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Yep and I give Ryan credit, he keeps his head up a lot of times but his pocket presence is extremely poor and I'm not sure how much or well this can be taught.

Hopefully he can get used to having a pocket to work with on most plays. Haven't seen that aside from vs WVU and the end of WFU and he looked pretty good there.

 

[Millhouse]

So are you saying that Nassib is so deficient that he can't run no huddle, and we can't use spread formations with him as the QB? I mean if you do, swell, embrace that, I just have a hard time equating Nassib can't do more with them saying our QB is so bad we're just not going to run some formations and there's not a chance we'll try to pick up the pace.

i've been nothing if not clear that i think Nassib is so deficient that he can't [insert anything here]

 

[Rocco]

Nassib has missed at least 400-500 yards of wide open receivers. Think about what that would have done to the scores in those games. Yes, every QB misses throws, but Nassib has missed some really JV throws. Until he can figure that out, our offense will continue to sputter.

 

[rmtsu]

Not that there haven't been open receivers from other teams, but we've seen plenty of times where we've had good coverage but the QB has not thrown a perfect pass and the WR slows down and goes up over our DB who either can't locate the ball or miss times his jump and makes the catch. Nassib can't seem to understand that he needs to trust his WR's and give them a chance to catch the ball, last year he more often than not threw the ball out of bounds on deep throws, this year at least he is keeping the ball in bounds, but usually out of reach of the receiver. I don't know whether or not they actually work on this at practice but its frustrating to see nearly every deep ball thrown such that nobody can catch it.

As far as running, again we've seen plenty of instances of big slower QB's who have taken off and picked up 1st downs on pass plays against us, Nassib will have the 1st down available if he took off sooner but doesn't and we get a sack. Now there is a fine line between always giving up on the pass to soon and running all the time but, at this time Nassib has enough experience where he should be better at making that decision, realize we need to get the 1st down, move the chains and get a new set of downs.

When we've run hurry up the last couple of games it seems like we've forced the D to call a timeout. I don't remember specifically but seems like in the limited amount of time we've run it we forced defenses to have to try and slow us down. We just haven't done it enough.

Unfortunately the way this offense is run, we can't afford to have many negative or small gain plays. Other teams seem to be able to recover better from long yardage situations, but we don't seem to be able to. But its indicative of our inablility to hit passes down field. Until we do we will struggle offensively. In the second half neither team did a good job defensively but UConn came up with the one stop and that was all it took. Again having to use short yardage pass plays, on the bootleg the LB came up and forced Nassib to not be able to get outside and to stay deeper and have to throw a longer pass, combine that with Lemon not coming back to the ball and that was all it took, one mistake to give the ball back to UConn at a time when we couldn't stop them, and we needed to score and may have won the game with a TD on that drive.

Lots of problems with the team, but Nassib needs to play better and be able to make plays, Marvin Graves TD-Int ratio was about 1:1 for his career, not great, but he was able to make big plays throwing the ball and give WR's a chance to make a play, sometimes taking chances will result in an int, but the upside can be much greater. Nassib for the experience that he has just hasn't develop that moxy or swagger that the good QB's have. Sometimes its just confidence, but in some cases, the player just doesn't have it, and is a big reason why some guys that don't have superior physical ability can play very well, when others who pass the look test never do.

 

[Bayside44]

So are you saying that Nassib is so deficient that he can't run no huddle, and we can't use spread formations with him as the QB? I mean if you do, swell, embrace that, I just have a hard time equating Nassib can't do more with them saying our QB is so bad we're just not going to run some formations and there's not a chance we'll try to pick up the pace.

The fact that we barely have 4 WRs right now might have something to do with it. Really cannot run 4 wide with 2.5 to 3 WRs.

 

[Millhouse]

The fact that we barely have 4 WRs right now might have something to do with it. Really cannot run 4 wide with 2.5 to 3 WRs.

graham lemon chew west

which one of those guys don't count?

the reason we don't go 4 wide isn't the receivers.

 

[Bayside44]

Graham is finally coming into his own, Chew is eh and West you get the feeling is not all there yet.

The WRs arent' a strong suit either.

 

[Millhouse]

Graham is finally coming into his own, Chew is eh and West you get the feeling is not all there yet.

The WRs arent' a strong suit either.

chew is wasted going downfield, even though he's open plenty

 

[Millhouse]

i've been nothing if not clear that i think Nassib is so deficient that he can't [insert anything here]

and i can't believe that no one mentioned that i typed that "he can't insert anything here". egad. i should hope not!

you are all slipping

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

I just think it's just a lot of things reacting with one another to create a big bowl of turd stew.

- Nassib isn't making people pay with his legs or the long ball... tough to make back-breaking plays that way. Not only can teams play aggressively because we don't burn them deep, we don't use their aggressiveness against them enough by letting Ryan break a 25-yard scamper.

- Perhaps our best receiver is a TE that has good, but not great speed. So even though he isn't a gamebreaker, he still has to be on the field, so it is tough to just replace him with a WR to get more of a speed mismatch out there.

- Bailey goes down too easily and lacks vision. Another reason why defenses can play aggressively.

- Our guys feed off of emotion, but in the games that we should win, the staff takes such a conservative approach that it takes forever for the offense to get into rhythm.

All in all, I just think Marrone is fighting through a tough year where the pieces just don't fit together as well. Individually I don't think the talent is as bad as others on the board seem to believe, but I just don't think they mesh. Too many weaknesses that play into other weaknesses. That's what's killing the consistency IMO, and why we are being exploited late in the year.

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

chew is wasted going downfield, even though he's open plenty

Agree. How often do we put Chew in the slot? Why don't we use the middle of the field more? Do we not put Van into those positions because, once again, we are worried about injury?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

- Our guys feed off of emotion, but in the games that we should win, the staff takes such a conservative approach that it takes forever for the offense to get into rhythm.

I think this is a really good point.