So what's the verdict on losing G McDonald?

[TBCuse11]

call pass plays he can make.

is there such a thing>?

 

[TheCusian]

it's not really lester specifically

he either prioritized recruiting so much that he went with an offense he doesn't actually like with mcdonald. that scares me

or he did like the offense but became so disenchanted with it really fast that he changed gears entirely. scares me

or he likes both offenses the same, doesn't really care, and it's just about putting people he trusts in that spot. scares me.

i hate invoking grob because pointing out a similarity implies that shafer is also the worst ever - i don't mean that. but gerg didn't know what he wanted to do either.

patterson at TCU changed gears but that was after many years and it seemed to be very thought out - he hired guys from offenses he wanted to emulate, not guys he had much history with

worry wart

 

[AAM62]

Hunt can get us to 7 or 8 wins this coming season IF, IF the OL performs much better than last year (don't go there with the injury BS) and IF the secondary gets some help.

Secondary will be garbage this year but OL will be better if Trudo can slide to center

 

[AAM62]

Also re: hunt (or all QBs in general) will be can these guys drop back and work in the pocket? That spread shotgun crap all day will be over. Can any of these guys be a real QB? Time will tell.

Also, the only real thing GmC did is bring Ish here and based on where his career is going, it would have probably been worth it. Again, he can be all american caliber by his senior year if he has an effective QB.

 

[jekelish]

I'm honestly kind of amazed at how little impact McDonald leaving actually ended up having on the recruiting class. I think it's a testament to the other coaches, particularly Acosta, as well as Eric White.

As far as offensive coordinator duties...I'm reserving judgment on Lester until he has a competent quarterback to work with. Hunt may wind up being that next year, but this past year was just an absolute disaster under center. Impossible to come to a verdict on an OC when you don't have anyone who can throw a 15 yard pass with any accuracy.

 

[SUFan44]

Steve Ishmael is an A-list recruit. SEC level. Brisley might end up being productive but other than those two we won't miss McDonald.

Edouard is at juco

This years kids:

Robinson - offer pulled went to fau
Levine - decomitted went to temple. Rumor of offer pulled
KDavis - decomitted for Oregon state then flipped to Florida. Frankly, under normal circumstances would not have been recruited to Florida
Grimes - decomitted for Marshall
Spence - offer pulled grades. Didn't sign with anyone. I liked this kid

Point - none followed him to nc state and none went to p5 schools save Davis

Remains to be seen if we missed on these kids. Shaf recruited south Florida for Marrone. My hunch is well be fine down there but if we get 3 kids from Georgia and none from south Florida it'll be a wash

Steve Ishmael is a good recruit for us. Thinks he's going to have a great career. But IF he's an SEC level recruit, he's borderline at best.

Agree with premise of post and am not disagreeing with any of it except this small point. He was an unmitigated disaster.

 

[tep624]

Steve Ishmael is a good recruit for us. Thinks he's going to have a great career. But IF he's an SEC level recruit, he's borderline at best.

Agree with premise of post and am not disagreeing with any of it except this small point. He was an unmitigated disaster.

He had early committable offers from Mississippi St. and Tennessee. Those are SEC programs. Not sure what else he needs to do to be a SEC level recruit.

 

[PhatOrange]

Ishamel could've pretty much played wherever he wanted. He was a true frosh last year. He looks no different than most of the WRs the SEC trots out on the field. He would at a minimum crack the 2 deep of every team in the SEC by junior year.

Is it because he doesn't have straight line world class sprinter speed? I mean borderline? For what teams is he only borderline?

 

[Janner]

I think things need to play out quite a bit before we can really assess the loss of GM. We lost him and got Moreland, that was basicaly the "trade". As of now we have no idea how well the new guy can recruit. GM was not an OC by any stretch, but he was a solid recruiter and had ties in So Fla which we are currently lacking. If Moreland can come in, sure up the OL and get some production out of our TE in the new offense and not be a total dud on the recruiting trail then I will be happy with the way things worked out. Time will tell. Talent and recruiting is great, but if you dont have the staff to "coach up" the talent it really doesnt matter, and im hoping Moreland can do that.

 

[SUFan44]

Ishamel could've pretty much played wherever he wanted. He was a true frosh last year. He looks no different than most of the WRs the SEC trots out on the field. He would at a minimum crack the 2 deep of every team in the SEC by junior year.

Is it because he doesn't have straight line world class sprinter speed? I mean borderline? For what teams is he only borderline?

The sustained upper echelon SEC schools is who I'm talking about. The Auburn/Alabama/Georgia's of the worlds.

Again I'm not saying he's not a stud for us - and wouldn't have been able to play at an SEC school by the time he was a redshirt junior. But I'm just saying he wouldn't have been an impact guy at an SEC school early. Maybe borderline was the wrong word.

 

[anomander]

Do we miss his recruiting chops, or can this staff hold their own? I know there was some concern about losing him and his ability to recruit. What say you?

I was pretty vocal about it even when he was here, but I thought his recruiting prowess was severely over rated during his time on the hill. I give him Ishmael, that was a great job by him, but other then that he didn't do anything for us.

Strange now that he's gone the tone towards him has done a 180.

 

[bnoro]

Steve Ishmael is an A-list recruit. SEC level. Brisley might end up being productive but other than those two we won't miss McDonald.

Edouard is at juco

This years kids:

Robinson - offer pulled went to fau
Levine - decomitted went to temple. Rumor of offer pulled
KDavis - decomitted for Oregon state then flipped to Florida. Frankly, under normal circumstances would not have been recruited to Florida
Grimes - decomitted for Marshall
Spence - offer pulled grades. Didn't sign with anyone. I liked this kid

Point - none followed him to nc state and none went to p5 schools save Davis

Remains to be seen if we missed on these kids. Shaf recruited south Florida for Marrone. My hunch is well be fine down there but if we get 3 kids from Georgia and none from south Florida it'll be a wash

Clausman and Byrne were originally recruited by GMC. Same with Enoicy and Cordy in 2014. Not sure about Cordell Hudson or Juwan Dowels, but I think at least one of them was.

 

[tep624]

I was pretty vocal about it even when he was here, but I thought his recruiting prowess was severely over rated during his time on the hill. I give him Ishmael, that was a great job by him, but other then that he didn't do anything for us.

Strange now that he's gone the tone towards him has done a 180.

I think he did a pretty decent job of bringing in some talented Florida kids. We will definitely miss that if we don't have someone who can step in and at least do it at the level he was.

What I will not miss is his twitter exchanges and how he reacted to the whole staff realignment situation and taking it publicly. There's a certain level of maturity that was always lacking there. Maybe that's why he connects with the kids as well as he does, but it's going to be a limiting factor for him as he tries to progress up the ladder.

 

[anomander]

I think he did a pretty decent job of bringing in some talented Florida kids. We will definitely miss that if we don't have someone who can step in and at least do it at the level he was. What I will not miss is his twitter exchanges and how he reacted to the whole staff realignment situation and taking it publicly. There's a certain level of maturity that was always lacking there. Maybe that's why he connects with the kids as well as he does, but it's going to be a limiting factor for him as he tries to progress up the ladder.

Yes his twitter exchanges were cringe worthy for sure.

And I'm not saying Clausman, or Byrne were his pulls, I'm just saying those are the same type of recruits we were pulling from South Florida before McDonald came here. For a high profile recruiter I don't think he got is in with prospects we normally didn't have a chance with.

 

[phil77]

Ok recruiter and inexperienced OC. He should stick with WR and recruiting. He seems to be able to coach them up and identify talent at that position.

 

[SUFan44]

Clausman and Byrne were originally recruited by GMC. Same with Enoicy and Cordy in 2014. Not sure about Cordell Hudson or Juwan Dowels, but I think at least one of them was.

Those kids are the same types we were getting before him. I don't see a huge upgrade with Hudson/Dowels/Cordy from Anderson/Lyn/Eskridge.

Jury is still out on all these guys as its still early - but McDonald was a net negative. Recruiting included.

 

[bnoro]

Those kids are the same types we were getting before him. I don't see a huge upgrade with Hudson/Dowels/Cordy from Anderson/Lyn/Eskridge.

Jury is still out on all these guys as its still early - but McDonald was a net negative. Recruiting included.

not defending him, just stating facts

 

[PhatOrange]

Clausman and Byrne were originally recruited by GMC. Same with Enoicy and Cordy in 2014. Not sure about Cordell Hudson or Juwan Dowels, but I think at least one of them was.

I forgot about Enoicy and he was my favorite recruit last year.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That spread shotgun crap all day will be over.

The biggest loss in all of this I think is actually that we're moving away from that. "Spread shotgun crap all day" actually works really, really well in college football.

I'm really looking forward to playing a ball control, field position game next season. And by looking forward to it, I mean that whenever I think about it my body starts curling in to the fetal position, and I weep.

 

[bnoro]

I forgot about Enoicy and he was my favorite recruit last year.

very excited to see what he does this season.

 

[leftytg]

I'm honestly kind of amazed at how little impact McDonald leaving actually ended up having on the recruiting class. I think it's a testament to the other coaches, particularly Acosta, as well as Eric White.

As far as offensive coordinator duties...I'm reserving judgment on Lester until he has a competent quarterback to work with. Hunt may wind up being that next year, but this past year was just an absolute disaster under center. Impossible to come to a verdict on an OC when you don't have anyone who can throw a 15 yard pass with any accuracy.

But Lester has been the QB coach. His job has been to develop the QB's on campus. If Syracuse doesn't have a competent QB, is the OC going to point the finger at the QB coach?

 

[Whitey23]

But Lester has been the QB coach. His job has been to develop the QB's on campus. If Syracuse doesn't have a competent QB, is the OC going to point the finger at the QB coach?

Falling upwards!

 

[TheCusian]

But Lester has been the QB coach. His job has been to develop the QB's on campus. If Syracuse doesn't have a competent QB, is the OC going to point the finger at the QB coach?

One could make the point that it was probably on the previous regime - seeing how all of Lester's QB's were RS and true freshman (outside of Hunt - whom he may or may not have recruited if he were on staff then).

Stories still being written.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

One could make the point that it was probably on the previous regime - seeing how all of Lester's QB's were RS and true freshman (outside of Hunt - whom he may or may not have recruited if he were on staff then).

Stories still being written.

Ludicrous. You can't pin that on Marrone.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

The biggest loss in all of this I think is actually that we're moving away from that. "Spread shotgun crap all day" actually works really, really well in college football.

I'm really looking forward to playing a ball control, field position game next season. And by looking forward to it, I mean that whenever I think about it my body starts curling in to the fetal position, and I weep.

For the millionth time, NOT with the talent SU has. Enjoy the OSU-type offense that you will see next year.