So where did we finish?

[TexanMark]

If we have a decent year and pull in another good recruiting year and then add Adams and the transfer from MSU, we should be in the low 40s maybe even high 30s.???

Yes...assuming no other team out there had a transfer. Transfers just confuse the ratings. I'd leave them out. Sadly some transfers do not pan out and are overrated from their HS rating.

As for the average rating list over time...you need to factor in that Syracuse took risky kids in the past to fluff up the ratings. Every year it seemed like 4-7 kids didn't make it through the Redshirt year or even make the first camp. Too many JUCO redirects at the last minute, no shows (remember that JUCO kid from Cali?), legal issues, and the dreaded medical disquals...

 

[RandomGuy]

Every point increase in the average recruit grade is HUGE.

Here are how the #'s work out in terms of overall depth, and the top talent in the class:

2013
Recruits@86 or over: ZERO
Recruits@80 or below:. 9

2014
@86 or over:. 1
@80 or below:. 4

2015
@86 or over:. 2
@80 or below:. 7

2018
@86 or over: 8
@80 or below:. ZERO

Those classes achieved rank based on quantity. This class on quality.(less recruits to improve rank).

 

[RF2044]

Every point increase in the average recruit grade is HUGE.

Here are how the #'s work out in terms of overall depth, and the top talent in the class:

2013
Recruits@86 or over: ZERO
Recruits@80 or below:. 9

2014
@86 or over:. 1
@80 or below:. 4

2015
@86 or over:. 2
@80 or below:. 7

2018
@86 or over: 8
@80 or below:. ZERO

Those classes achieved rank based on quantity. This class on quality.(less recruits to improve rank).

Which completely debunks the notion that this class is more of the same. Thank you for compiling that assessment.

 

[RandomGuy]

Which completely debunks the notion that this class is more of the same. Thank you for compiling that assessment.

Any argument, to that effect, has to ignore the actual numbers.

For those who wish the transfers should count.
Team score: 198.92
Rank: 41
Recruit Average: .8602

For giggles, I'll add in those lost to dumbassery(kids fault):
Team score: 204.61
Rank: 39

The only reason I include the latter, is that the staff essentially had a top 40 class, 'til the kids screwed it up.

 

[RandomGuy]

How do HCDB's draft classes compare with previous classes?

Baber's(2016-2018) : 84.20 recruit grade
Cuse(2003-2015): 80.21 average

How significant is that 4 point increase? Here's where a 4 point increase, over this years 85.58, will put you. 89.58*

#9 Auburn 2017: 89.34
#8 Michigan 2016: 89.8

Babers will be fielding the best Cuse team, since the 90's. (2019 - ?)


*Merely trying to demonstrate the value of each point, and just how much they separate you... In this case, from pre HCBD cuse. A very significant increase.

 

[All4SU]

Every point increase in the average recruit grade is HUGE.

Here are how the #'s work out in terms of overall depth, and the top talent in the class:

2013
Recruits@86 or over: ZERO
Recruits@80 or below:. 9

2014
@86 or over:. 1
@80 or below:. 4

2015
@86 or over:. 2
@80 or below:. 7

2018
@86 or over: 8
@80 or below:. ZERO

Those classes achieved rank based on quantity. This class on quality.(less recruits to improve rank).

‘16 and ‘17?

 

[RandomGuy]

‘16 and ‘17?

Well, they didn't prove my point as well... ;-)

2016 (short term transition class)
Recruits @86 or above: 1
Recruits @80 or below: 2 (Mckinley Williams)

2017
@86 or above : 4
@80 or below: 2 (1 was Alton Robinson. Dunno if that was his JUCO or HS grade)

HCDB(2016-2018) vs Shafer(2013-2015)

HCDB
@86 or above : 13
@80 or below: 4

Shafer
@86 or above : 3
@80 or below : 20 (Antwan Cordy, Kayton Samuels)

 

[ottodaorange]

Yes...assuming no other team out there had a transfer. Transfers just confuse the ratings. I'd leave them out. Sadly some transfers do not pan out and are overrated from their HS rating.

As for the average rating list over time...you need to factor in that Syracuse took risky kids in the past to fluff up the ratings. Every year it seemed like 4-7 kids didn't make it through the Redshirt year or even make the first camp. Too many JUCO redirects at the last minute, no shows (remember that JUCO kid from Cali?), legal issues, and the dreaded medical disquals...

I agree with almost all of what you said. But here's the thing, you could say the same of HS kids.

 

[cuse62]

I don’t think we’re done!

 

[CuseLegacy]

I don’t think we’re done!

We aren't done signing yet as there are 3 more open spots.

 

[TexanMark]

We aren't done signing yet as there are 3 more open spots.

I have a feeling this will play out through June.

 

[CuseLegacy]

I have a feeling this will play out through June.

I agree.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

I agree.

So, what might Babers be targeting? I would guess another experienced JUCO LB and a JUCO DE.

 

[CuseLegacy]

So, what might Babers be targeting? I would guess another experienced JUCO LB and a JUCO DE.

Or Grad transfer or waiting to see if someone qualifies.

 

[TheCusian]

I think the general uptick in avg rating is probably universal due to them evaluating more and more kids every year. Imagine there is a crap ton more kids that are now 2 and 3 star kids than ever before just due to exposure and technology.

I don’t think this is right. The technology has been improving - but these sites have been around for years.

But more importantly, the avg rating isn’t the only measure. Other offers from P5 schools (while still sometimes faulty) has ticked up at the same time.

It’s not a mirage, these guys are better recruiters.

 

[CuseLegacy]

I don’t think this is right. The technology has been improving - but these sites have been around for years.

But more importantly, the avg rating isn’t the only measure. Other offers from P5 schools (while still sometimes faulty) has ticked up at the same time.

It’s not a mirage, these guys are better recruiters.

And looking at P5 offers may be somewhat less of an indicator with the early signing period.

 

[TheCusian]

And looking at P5 offers may be somewhat less of an indicator with the early signing period.

100%.

 

[hungrychuck]

Well, they didn't prove my point as well... ;-)

2016 (short term transition class)
Recruits @86 or above: 1
Recruits @80 or below: 2 (Mckinley Williams)

2017
@86 or above : 4
@80 or below: 2 (1 was Alton Robinson. Dunno if that was his JUCO or HS grade)

HCDB(2016-2018) vs Shafer(2013-2015)

HCDB
@86 or above : 13
@80 or below: 4

Shafer
@86 or above : 3
@80 or below : 20 (Antwan Cordy, Kayton Samuels)

Nice work here. Your numbers really bring the trend into sharp focus.

 

[RandomGuy]

Nice work here. Your numbers really bring the trend into sharp focus.

Pleasure. I'm a little obsessive compulsive when it comes to #'s.

When you go past ranking, and breakdown the actual players, the #'s are an extraordinary improvement.

The 2019 season will be telling.

IF there's a bowl this year, and recruit grade goes up again? OH BOY.. Get your tickets early. ;-)

 

[Roger N]

Pleasure. I'm a little obsessive compulsive when it comes to #'s.

When you go past ranking, and breakdown the actual players, the #'s are an extraordinary improvement.

The 2019 season will be telling.

IF there's a bowl this year, and recruit grade goes up again? OH BOY.. Get your tickets early. ;-)

Here is what I noticed. I have been watching our rankings since the fall. I think we probably deserve to be mid 40’s. We got robbed with the ranking of Caleb O. His ranking of only 83.29 is way low. I expected a rating of over 86 or maybe 87.

 

[SmilinBob]

What matters to me more than ratings is did they get the best possible players for the positions of most need? I think they did other than DT which HAS to be filled with one of the spots left and 2 or more in 2019.

 

[CuseLegacy]

 

[JrodCuse]

That’s a great list to be on. Trending upwards.

 

[Trueblue25]

We’ve opened up DC and East Texas. Yes, East Texas. Dino has pre-existing connections there and we’ve hired a renowned Texas highschool coach as our qb coach.

This recruiting class was not simply numbers between 80 and 94.

This symbolized us being well on our way to becoming national players in recruiting hot beds like the DMV and Texas. We still maintain a presence in the Northeast and Florida as well.

Also, if you have any doubt that this class is a massive improvement... watch the tape people and look at the other offers. Theres more to this than the stars.

Players like Williams, Hendrix, Queeley, Cisco, Jonas Allison, Wallace and Amy are the real deal. The rest of the class is very good as well.

 

[Crusty]

Eight ACC teams.