So who helps Shafer improve?

[florange44]

I can't imagine that Gross has any credibility in giving Scott constructive criticism (more emphasis on specials, time mgt, punting decisions, using your time outs on defense,etc). I imagine Gross just says "6 wins or else". So who does gross use to provide specific point(s)? Is it all on Shafer and staff to do the introspection themselves? Does Floyd have any role? Are there consultants that do this?

Florange44

 

[Chip]

The guy who is currently dusting off his playbook that I'm not sure he's ever used.

So we should be fine.

Bizarre to me that Gross isn't stepping in to say you need a better plan on offense and let me know how I can help (thru payroll).

 

[Scooch]

The guy who is currently dusting off his playbook that I'm not sure he's ever used. So we should be fine. Bizarre to me that Gross isn't stepping in to say you need a better plan on offense and let me know how I can help (thru payroll).

What's even worse is the suggestion that we need to change our recruiting strategy to implement a Lester offense.

I desperately hope that's just some misinterpretation of comments, because if it's true then to me that's grounds for firing Shafer right now.

 

[rrlbees]

What's even worse is the suggestion that we need to change our recruiting strategy to implement a Lester offense. I desperately hope that's just some misinterpretation of comments, because if it's true then to me that's grounds for firing Shafer right now.

I harp on it when people say the new coach needs 4 years to get "his players". Now we have to wait until the OC gets his players. Never ending doo loop.

 

[Jake]

What's even worse is the suggestion that we need to change our recruiting strategy to implement a Lester offense. I desperately hope that's just some misinterpretation of comments, because if it's true then to me that's grounds for firing Shafer right now.

This! The whole "we need to recruit different players for Lester's offense compared to McDonald's" is an infuriating thought. I don't think Daryl is on solid enough ground to make demands on anyone.

 

[Scooch]

This! The whole "we need to recruit different players for Lester's offense compared to McDonald's" is an infuriating thought. I don't think Daryl is on solid enough ground to make demands on anyone.

Yeah, I swear if I hear absolutely any suggestion from anyone in a position of authority that we need to change who we're recruiting for what Lester wants to run then I will post hourly from that moment on that Shafer should be fired immediately.

 

[Millhouse]

This! The whole "we need to recruit different players for Lester's offense compared to McDonald's" is an infuriating thought. I don't think Daryl is on solid enough ground to make demands on anyone.

Makes a lot of sense from Lester's perspective makes none from everyone else's

 

[Full_Rebar]

The guy who is currently dusting off his playbook that I'm not sure he's ever used.

So we should be fine.

Bizarre to me that Gross isn't stepping in to say you need a better plan on offense and let me know how I can help (thru payroll).

Probably because Gross is more worried about saving his own ass at this point.

It also lets him claim that he let Shafer do things his way, so it's on him if it doesn't work. People tell me Gross is great at taking credit, but even better at passing blame.

 

[ssbriefcase]

I can't imagine that Gross has any credibility in giving Scott constructive criticism (more emphasis on specials, time mgt, punting decisions, using your time outs on defense,etc). I imagine Gross just says "6 wins or else". So who does gross use to provide specific point(s)? Is it all on Shafer and staff to do the introspection themselves? Does Floyd have any role? Are there consultants that do this?

Florange44

You'd be very shocked to hear what Floyd has to say...It's not supportive of certain position coaches...

 

[Scooch]

Makes a lot of sense from Lester's perspective makes none from everyone else's

I'm still hoping that Shafer was just spinning BS and that Lester is going to be replaced.

Really, really, really, hoping.

 

[SUinNYC]

You'd be very shocked to hear what Floyd has to say...It's not supportive of certain position coaches...

Like which position coaches?

 

[ssbriefcase]

The O side of the ball...

 

[SUinNYC]

The O side of the ball...

Interesting. Looking forward to seeing what the offseason brings...

 

[ssbriefcase]

As weird as it might seem, he has next to 0 pull when it comes to the coaching staff and football. But that doesn't stop him one bit from expressing his opinion profoundly.

 

[qdawgg]

I'm so annoyed knowing that Lester will be the OC next year and we will have to suffer through more mediocrity.

I can't wait to see the threads claiming improvement because we are averaging 50 more yards per game next year compared to this years sh!tfest.

 

[dasher]

I'm so annoyed knowing that Lester will be the OC next year and we will have to suffer through more mediocrity.

I can't wait to see the threads claiming improvement because we are averaging 50 more yards per game next year compared to this years sh!tfest.

who would you like to see be the OC?

 

[rrlbees]

who would you like to see be the OC?

Kevin Rogers

 

[Whitey23]

Kevin Rogers

William and Mary put up more points then Syracuse vs. Villanova.

 

[qdawgg]

who would you like to see be the OC?

Don't honestly know, don't necessarily have 1 person in mind.

What I do know is that between two offensive coordinators we had one of the worst offensive teams in the country. Lester doesn't have a track record that would indicate next year he will improve the offense in a significant way.

 

[Rocco]

I'd bring in the OC from ECU, Marshall or WKU. And PAY them handsomely.

This isn't rocket science. We need points. Our D would've looked that much better if we had an AVERAGE offense.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What's even worse is the suggestion that we need to change our recruiting strategy to implement a Lester offense.

I desperately hope that's just some misinterpretation of comments, because if it's true then to me that's grounds for firing Shafer right now.

It bothers me. Did Lester donate a kidney or something to Wolfgang? The leash he seems to be getting is mind bottling.

 

[florange44]

It bothers me. Did Lester donate a kidney or something to Wolfgang? The leash he seems to be getting is mind bottling.

Ok, we're all focused on the offense, but we have other large issues too.

Who works with Shafer to fix the ST?
Who mentors him on using time outs wisely and managing the clock better?
Who has the heart to heart about punting to gain 20 yds of field position?

Florange44

 

[rosconey]

either hcss realizes friends dont make the best assistant coach's or he is looking for a dc job dec1st 2015

i for one dont see any reason to hope things will get better- the total lack of any offense from his 2 big dogs on offense shows he hires by friendship standards not qualifications

 

[007]

I'm still hoping that Shafer was just spinning BS and that Lester is going to be replaced.

Really, really, really, hoping.

The HC position is more than just wins and losses (and more losses on top of that). It's also about decision making, it's about vision, it's about how he handles himself under pressure, it's about demanding accountability from the players and staff, it's about dealing with the media and the alumni, it's about putting a staff in place and overseeing a focused direction and goals, and it's about recruiting.

Shafer has tied his fate, in many respects, to his decision to go with Lester. How can that not impact the direction recruiting will take?

More importantly, IMO, any evaluation of SS needs to also take into account all of the above. He is HC with 2 years of on the job training and his decision making is going to have a long-term effect on the program (2-3 year impact seems reasonable).

It's not just about does SS "deserve" another year to get the wins. The question that should be asked is: Can and should this program be subjected to the risk of SS vision going forward? Because it's certainly going to affect more than just next year, whether he gets fired next year or not.

 

[SmilinBob]

If SS is too focused on the band getting together it is possible he'll be just a one hit wonder and to be honest it ain't that good of a song. The next man up does not work too well when it involves your coaching staff and this worries me.