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Some belated thoughts on Saturday

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A ton has been covered, so just a quick thought or two (or a few) after watching back, with the obvious caveat that Colgate looked brutal and, for the most part, we'll have to let some things play out:

  • As many have pointed out, we appear to have some depth for the first time in a really long time. When I look at games like this, essentially my only interest is how the backups play. That's particularly intriguing when they are in early enough to legitimately run an offense. We didn't appear to lose much of a step on either side of the ball as a couple different waves of players came in. Young WRs, LBs, DBs, DL all looked good, Not especially pretty day for Price, but I'm willing to hold out judgment as I thought he had a few runs where he got stuffed but there wasn't anywhere to go. Daniels looked good. CDRW looked confident. Not sure he's anywhere close to Shrader from that one outing but you can see why the staff would be intrigued. Overall, just a bunch of depth, which is good.

  • OL seemed OK to me. This group is unlikely to ever be a huge strength for us. I can remember a few OLs in my time as a Cuse fan going back to the late-80s that were a legit strength but it's really rare. Those big guys who can move and have high-level athleticism are tough to find for this program. This group seemed OK -- not great, not super exciting and certainly not dominant -- but they seem ok. Thought some of Shrader's pressure was brought on by his looking to run or leave the pocket a bit unnecessarily.

  • Shrader played pretty well overall. Saw a bunch of concerned posts about Shrader. I think you just have to evaluate him as a football player instead of as a pure QB, since he's unlikely to grade out overwhelmingly positive as a pure quarterback. On the downside, the deep balls were not great (the one to Jones before he caught the TD might have been a bit late and was definitely underthrown. Need to get that ball up to take advantage of his size. A couple others were a step or two behind. He also got a bit antsy in the pocket at times and the pick was terrible. That said, this kid has done nothing but produce since he's been here, he battles hard and he appears to have a few more weapons this year. He'll be good for us if he can stay healthy.

  • Classic review of a Dino game: He's great and terrible. I'm exaggerating here but Dino has clearly done some things really, really well here. This team is deep and it's a difficult era for a school like Syracuse to accrue legit talent. So credit to Dino. Beck and Long got the job done. Our punter looked better in his one opportunity. So he did a nice job. But the sloppiness and weird decisions continue. I would have had Shrader and Allen out in the first half. Not sure if they wanted to get them some numbers but honestly, I would have given that last drive of the first half to CDRW. And the first drive of the third quarter? Shrader took a couple big hits there. I just don't really understand that gamble. But, to be fair to Dino, 65-0 and plenty of reasons to feel good, so it is what it is in some ways.

  • Clark play fast and violent. Not much more to add but he is a super aggressive football player who plays really fast. Like him a lot.

  • Interested to see if the WRs continue to make plays against stiffer competition. We've had teams with some good receivers but this game appeared to show that outside of Jones and Gadsden, there are a bunch of talented guys who seem like legit threats to contribute. Hatcher not only caught the ball and made plays, he blocked well (always an underrated thing). Brown appears to have great hands and is a legit option in the slot. Alford made some nice plays, Gill and looked good on their few opportunities. Really nice to see. Hope it continues.
That's it. Nice performance against a brutally overmatched opponent, but all you can do in a game like that is try to make it a laugher and we did that very quickly. We'll learn more this week.
 
Dino said last year that they review the first half, make adjustments and want to give the starters a series to work on what they corrected. But I personally think the risk is way more than the reward leaving your starters in.
According to Schrader he wasn't supposed to play in the second half, had an argument with the coaches to not end the day on the interception.
 
Leaving Shrader in to start the 2nd half was risky but it was understandable with GS still getting back into game shape. Wagner last year was insane, it was game 5 and guys were in midseason form already and had been getting beaten up for 4 weeks against mostly P5 teams, it made no sense to keep anyone in after the half and it almost cost us with Tucker
 
The Colgate game always brings back memories. I vividly recall the 71-0 beat down we handed them in 1959. However, it was once a bitter rivalry long ago.

My Dad always told stories of rowdy Colgate guys on the public transportation in Syracuse. He also told stories of how guys from each school would snatch guys from the other school and shave a C or an S into their heads. Sounds like a felony to me, but whatever.

My first job out of grad school was with a company whose President was a Colgate grad and former great football player long, long ago. He also played in the NFL. He was always OK with me and the fact that I did my undergrad and graduate work at his old rival seemed to garner his respect. He liked to tell stories of his games against SU.

On the other hand, he had an annoying habit of sarcastically pronouncing Syracuse as “Sir-a-kuss“

I thought about that and smiled in vengeance everytime we scored on Saturday.
 
Leaving Shrader in to start the 2nd half was risky but it was understandable with GS still getting back into game shape. Wagner last year was insane, it was game 5 and guys were in midseason form already and had been getting beaten up for 4 weeks against mostly P5 teams, it made no sense to keep anyone in after the half and it almost cost us with Tucker

Yeah, I'm fine with it too (in hindsight, ha). But when I saw he was still in, I thought the same thing. He needs reps. People are dissecting his performance, but need to remember that he didn't have a spring, and was probably used sparingly during the preseason. He needs the reps to get back into it.
 
WRs 2-5 need to be able to break press coverage. I bet early on we see teams bracket OG, spy Shrader and press our other WRs. Using the TE would take pressure of the WRs

I'm ok with that risk. I think Jones and Alford will be able to break press coverage. Hatcher doesn't have that size, but he's shifty and fast. Also seemed to be a way more physical blocker than I would have thought.

I hope Villari can be that TE, but he still needs some more reps.
 
I'm ok with that risk. I think Jones and Alford will be able to break press coverage. Hatcher doesn't have that size, but he's shifty and fast. Also seemed to be a way more physical blocker than I would have thought.

I hope Villari can be that TE, but he still needs some more reps.
I actually thought Hatcher looked much bigger than last year and even since spring ball. Looks to me like he's replaced the bars with the weight room.
 
I actually thought Hatcher looked much bigger than last year and even since spring ball. Looks to me like he's replaced the bars with the weight room.

Even better then because it doesn't seem like he lost any speed. He was pushing guys out of the way on his blocks.
 
Even better then because it doesn't seem like he lost any speed. He was pushing guys out of the way on his blocks.
At least when it came to clubbing this baby seal, they were able to big boy them at every level. That hasn’t always been the case.

The 2018 UConn game popped up on YouTube last night. So Smurfy at wr, rb, and db. No depth at lb.
 
At least when it came to clubbing this baby seal, they were able to big boy them at every level. That hasn’t always been the case.

The 2018 UConn game popped up on YouTube last night. So Smurfy at wr, rb, and db. No depth at lb.

Agree. We've played lots of Colgate types over the years. Not very often, outside of Wagner, that we've outgained them 677 to 106 and outscored them 65-0.

Maybe Colgate has fallen to Wagner depths now, guess we'll find out.
 
I don't think Shrader played all that great, very inconsistent with his throws and some bad balls, but 18-24 is pretty good. The one to Alford in the endzone was a thing of beauty though. Perfectly thrown ball.

I agree he also got a bit antsy in the pocket at times which may have contributed to the line not looking very good early on. He needed to just step up and instead went sideways and took off.

Jury is still out on the OL. Really won't have a good idea until after Purdue. Thought they were solid though for the first time out. Bunch of new guys in there.

Price was a little better than I first thought. Definitely deserves another shot but Daniels is coming.

Not putting CDRW in for the final 2q drive I think is petty. I probably would've started him the 2nd half though but I get it. Shrader needs work with the OL.

Defense fly's to the ball and comes in waves. I think this is a very good unit.

We big boyed Colgate. They're probably not as bad as we made them look. We don't ever seem to throttle FCS teams so I liked seeing it. We did the same to Wagner last year and we had a very good team. 6-0 until we couldn't overcome the injuries. So i'd rather see the beat down then not. I think this is a very good team but I'm tempered on the offense until I see the next few weeks. Do think the O can be very explosive. We now seem to have those types of guys (explosive) at the skill positions.
 
Agree. We've played lots of Colgate types over the years. Not very often, outside of Wagner, that we've outgained them 677 to 106 and outscored them 65-0.

Maybe Colgate has fallen to Wagner depths now, guess we'll find out.
That’s why I’m interested in if they can put a 50 spot on WMU. They did in 2018, but gave up 42, and in 2019, but gave up 33. I want to see if they can efficiently and going fast put up points and the defense holds up and stomps them.

Unlike Lester, the new coach wants to run. Good test for the dline depth.
 
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Agree. We've played lots of Colgate types over the years. Not very often, outside of Wagner, that we've outgained them 677 to 106 and outscored them 65-0.

Maybe Colgate has fallen to Wagner depths now, guess we'll find out.

Thought the same. We never hammer teams like this no matter the level. I liked seeing it because it's what good teams do. Did it to Wagner and we were really good last year until the injuries piled up.
 
I'm ok with that risk. I think Jones and Alford will be able to break press coverage. Hatcher doesn't have that size, but he's shifty and fast. Also seemed to be a way more physical blocker than I would have thought.

I hope Villari can be that TE, but he still needs some more reps.
Yeah, Hatcher and Brown seemed to be pretty slippery.

Granted it was Colgate but I think we have guys ready to play that bring some skills we've been lacking.

Back to the OP, Shrader is going to have a fine year for us, but it won't surprise me if CD-RW ends up being the better QB for us. The ball just flies out of his hand.
 
The talent ought to be a step up from Colgate.
I'd like to see Shrader throw a nice tight ball to a TE early.
Clean up the "linen drops" and we ought to be ready for Purdue.
 
I don't think Shrader played all that great, very inconsistent with his throws and some bad balls, but 18-24 is pretty good. The one to Alford in the endzone was a thing of beauty though. Perfectly thrown ball.

I agree he also got a bit antsy in the pocket at times which may have contributed to the line not looking very good early on. He needed to just step up and instead went sideways and took off.

Jury is still out on the OL. Really won't have a good idea until after Purdue. Thought they were solid though for the first time out. Bunch of new guys in there.

Price was a little better than I first thought. Definitely deserves another shot but Daniels is coming.

Not putting CDRW in for the final 2q drive I think is petty. I probably would've started him the 2nd half though but I get it. Shrader needs work with the OL.

Defense fly's to the ball and comes in waves. I think this is a very good unit.

We big boyed Colgate. They're probably not as bad as we made them look. We don't ever seem to throttle FCS teams so I liked seeing it. We did the same to Wagner last year and we had a very good team. 6-0 until we couldn't overcome the injuries. So i'd rather see the beat down then not. I think this is a very good team but I'm tempered on the offense until I see the next few weeks.
Dino crushes FCS opponents. Colgate 65-0, Wagner 59-0, Albany 62-24, HC, 41-7, Wagner 62-10, Cent Conn St 50-7, Colgate 50-7.

What was different this last game than the last two was that it wasn’t just Tucker running over, through, and around guys, and hitting bombs, they actually spread the ball around and threw underneath routes.
 
At least when it came to clubbing this baby seal, they were able to big boy them at every level. That hasn’t always been the case.

The 2018 UConn game popped up on YouTube last night. So Smurfy at wr, rb, and db. No depth at lb.

Or Villanova a couple of years back, under Shafer.
 
What was different this last game than the last two was that it wasn’t just Tucker running over, through, and around guys, and hitting bombs, they actually spread the ball around and threw underneath routes.

Yeah, we lead the country in TD passes per game. Which just cracks me up, even if it's just for a moment. We could have opened against a DIII team in the past and that never happens.
 

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