Some of you guys need to calm down.

[Col. Bleep]

And Gorman has a national championship ring. Plus, I'm sure he helped the team in ways that didn't always show up in a box score.

Matt Gorman tipped the pass that wound up with Devendorf scoring the game-winning layup against G-town in the '06 BE Tourney. If he never did anything else...that alone would qualify as a successful career.

See about 5:24 in:

 

[two3zone]

No problem. I get your point. Maybe he wasn't ready to be a huge rotational guy but he could have given us 10-15 solid minutes a game IMO. Right now, he's not a pure three, that's for sure.

I don't know, I think if he was able to offer 10-15 solid minutes he wouldn't have redshirted.

 

[dasher]

Not to argue, but our list of developmental redshirts is actually pretty short. You can't really count transfers because those are NCAA-mandated. As for those that "worked out", it's basically Hopkins, Otis Hill, Z Sims, & Cooney. I guess you could be generous & add J.B. Reafsnyder & Dave Siock :noidea:

EDIT: I agree with your general point & am not attempting to disprove it. I just enjoy talking SU hoops history.

JB was a key factor in a final four run. I also count kids that were injured and got the extra year. They got the 5th year and it was good for them. Plus, I looked at 5 as being a good number. We don't do it enough.

 

[Jkwo]

She must not have listened to the commentators all night. It was all about Fox and Monk. Even though Briscoe played a decent game.

I dunno man, call me crazy but I feel like there's something a just a trifle off with describing a guard averaging 20 3 and 2 on 55% shooting as "invisible" and "recruited over".

 

[SoBeCuse]

Moyer was like a top 80 recruit, right? Those kids never want to redshirt. They think
they'll earn PT on any team, and they want to go pro in <4 years, so in the mind of a top recruit, a redshirt year is a year wasted.

Moyer was always a four-year player/project to me. Never got that one.

 

[Funk Doc]

I dunno man, call me crazy but I feel like there's something a just a trifle off with describing a guard averaging 20 3 and 2 on 55% shooting as "invisible" and "recruited over".

I was talking about the amount of press they are getting. It's all about Monk and Fox in that backcourt.

 

[Sherlocked]

I was talking about the amount of press they are getting. It's all about Monk and Fox in that backcourt.

NBA scouts won't care what announcers are saying. They'll see his production and improved shot.

 

[Cuse House]

And from Watertown! Good dude.

I see Gorman almost everyday, working out at the YMCA in Watertown. He's a giant!

 

[orangefan13]

I don't see what the huge deal is. I was wrong on Greene he proved he can do it all and lead a team but he's smaller and would not have been great for our zone. THAT BEING SAID, we already have a point guard next year year Howard and he is our best returning player quite possibly, we have chuckwu and thompson and our doubling in the paint is going to be a nightmare for teams next year. We have Moyer and the canadian kid to go big in the backline. My point is cuse doesn't go with smaller shooting guards usually, just smaller points as it can hurt the defense. Moving Howard to SG wouldn't really fit his position.

So basically we are not super deep next year but were a sg and a sf away from being a threat, and moyer gives us a head start in that department. After Mali left without White/Gillon we could be hurting. Had Richardson and Lydon not been ready last year we would have been at a worse point last year without someone to back up dajuan. I cringe at that thought. We definitely need some experience at sg or sf though, howard is the only ball handler we have next year to drive from the perimeter and bring the ball up the court if battle jumps.

 

[Funk Doc]

NBA scouts won't care what announcers are saying. They'll see his production and improved shot.

Improved shot...okay.

 

[iommi]

I don't know, I think if he was able to offer 10-15 solid minutes he wouldn't have redshirted.

He was able to offer that but not with the bigs we have. He is capable of doing it but the minutes aren't there because of what we have in the frontcourt. There are only so many minutes to go around.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Who's . . . . . . . fault is that? The staff's. Period. End of Story. They put all their eggs in one basket and it didn't work, now they have to scramble.

Eggs... scramble... I see what you did there

 

[IthacaMatt]

It's pretty sad reading all of these posts of adults bashing a kid who made the best decision that he thought for him and his family. Quade doesn't owe Syracuse anything. I told you a long time ago that Quade is trying to take care of his mother, who is a single parent. He is getting that bag and trying to get to the NBA. I have nothing but respect for the kid.

It's the way he did it. If he wasn't sure, say "I'm not sure" and we can hedge our bets, just like he did. He waited until AFTER we turned away 2 guys, and AFTER the early signing period ended, when more than 80 of the top 100 have made their decisions. He was supposed to be the drawing card that was going to bring other players here, but he didn't make that commitment several times when he could have, and tried to assemble an incoming class around him. We gave him that opportunity, and he was not up front with us.

If you're not sure, say so, and then we say, "OK, the first guy to take the scholarship is our guy." He screwed us, this kid, with the way he handled it. If you don't see that, then you don't understand sales and business, which is what this is, just as you said. Somebody on our staff ought to talk to the coach at Neumann and tell him that we won't do that again with any of his players. Very disappointed with how this was handled. Kenny Smith Part 2.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You want to know why it took so long. Because it was a very tough and very important decision for him. Before any kid chooses a college all they hear is " be cautious now this is a big decision that will have a big effect on the rest of your life". And those are just kids going to college for a "real" career. In his case his decision could make a HUGE difference. I'm talking millions of dollars of a difference. It could also result in him leaving college without a degree and ending up undrafted. Clearly, he liked his chances of making it to the league more at kentucky. I disagree with theat, but I can understand the thinking. He deserved to take as much time as he wanted. It's selfish for us to think that winning a championship for us should be more important to him than whether or not he has a job in the next few years.

He played us. Simple as that. He could have picked Kentucky earlier than he did, so we still had a chance to sign someone in the early period. He got his offers from Duke and Kentucky a while ago. That's why his judgment sucks, that's why what he did is open to criticism. How many other kids had announcements after the period ended, four or five, maybe? The other 80 kids did what you're supposed to do, and tell the school of your intention when they can still do something about it, if you don't want to go there.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Totally on the staff. Should have given him a deadline .

He must have told them he was coming. Otherwise they don't turn away the kid from Oak Hill. The kid who went to Minnesota committed a while ago, so that's not a factor. But we just turned away a 5 star PG from Oak Hill who wanted to visit. You don't do that unless the kid gave you a silent verbal, and every indication that he was coming here. How many times was he on campus, ten? He was just here with Brissett, with Sidibe, with Bamba, with Diallo, for Orange Madness, etc. I mean, he was here to escort every one of our recruits. What is up with that? That's just bullshirt. Screw this kid. I hope they recruit over him.

 

[TheCusian]

You have no clue what you're talking about. Matt Moyer is nowhere near ready to play there and you will find that out on your own next year unless he improves tremendously this year. He is athletic but lacks in skill and needs to improve his shooting tremdously. As far as the paragraphs are concerned, I knew the English 101 police would come out, but I didn't know I was in school at the moment. Next time I will make appropriate paragraphs.

We have a strong record of improving players over their time here. Cal and Kentucky, not so much. They come in NBA ready or they get pushed out.

 

[IthacaMatt]

It's not complete lunacy. He probably does leave, but I'm starting to wonder what position he plays in the league.

3? Not sure he is athletic enough. 4? After last year I thought stretch 4, but his shot had abandoned him so far this year. Only a 5 game sample so that could change

Lydon has the body and skills to play in the NBA, but he still has to work on his game. Better for him to do that now, rather than in the D League. But he has to work on the mentality that he is "The Man". White has that attitude. Lydon deferred a bit too much last year. Battle is still feeling his way. For people who say Boeheim is burying Battle on the bench, the kid is going to play 20+ minutes a game all year long, and right now the other guy at his position looks like the best player on this team.

 

[Col. Bleep]

He played us. Simple as that...

Maybe.
But it seems we should feel a little sorry for him.
After all, he may be great at Kentucky and he may have a successful NBA run.
But he'll never be Orange.

At Kentucky, big time players come and go.
Not even sure their fans can keep track.
SU fans remember everyone who's ever put on the uniform (even some we might rather forget).

And now he'll never be Orange.
His loss.

 

[pearl31]

You have no clue what you're talking about. Matt Moyer is nowhere near ready to play there and you will find that out on your own next year unless he improves tremendously this year. He is athletic but lacks in skill and needs to improve his shooting tremdously. As far as the paragraphs are concerned, I knew the English 101 police would come out, but I didn't know I was in school at the moment. Next time I will make appropriate paragraphs.

Oh Lord

 

[IthacaMatt]

Is it safe to assume that everyone here criticizing Green for his "lack of integrity" & "stringing the staff along" felt the same way about Battle after he went back on his Michigan verbal?

I didn't think so.

Michigan wouldn't let him handle the ball, and saw him as a 2/3. Same with Duke. We offered to let him handle the ball more. That's why he's here and not there.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Shai signed his LOI

I hope Duval goes there too.

 

[pearl31]

I wasn't going to even respond beacuse of the amount of ignorance on here displayed towards a child but I changed my mind. A lot of you guys are taking this personal. It's nothing personal. Unfortunately this is a business and the coaches treat it as such. Quade and a lot of these top recruits are just smart enough to know that. College basketball is a money maker and these players are disposable to these coaches, especially at the high major level. It's nothing personal against Syracuse, Kentucky is the same way. You think the Harrison twins wanted to leave? Cal forced them out. Did you see what Cal did to Ryan Harrow once he didn't pan out? Ryan should have stayed at NC State. He had a very good freshman season. Actually Ryan came in as a freshman and played really well against SU in the Dome. Then what happens Cal and UK come in and do what they do and he transfers to Kentucky. Once there they find out that they don't like him and then you can't even imagine what they did to him. The kid ended up at Georgia State. So again these coaches don't really care about these kids. They care about winning and keeping their jobs. Unless you're a HOF coach like JB you really don't have to worry about losing your job too much but they want to win. If you can't help them win then you are pretty much no good to them anymore. That's why I said it's all fake love. The same with the fans. They love you then they hate you. I get it fans love their teams but a lot of them sound like spoiled brats. If you really loved Quade you would be happy for him regardless, and you wouldn't bash an 18 year old kid who is being pulled and pressured in a thousand different directions. You wouldn't bash a kid who is trying to make probably the biggest decision of his life thus far. Go back and read the thread and you will see all the evil and nasty things adults are calling him. Why? All because an 18 year old didn't chose the school that they wanted him to chose? So you tell me who is really all those nasty words Quade or all these fake fans? I will touch on another issue for a moment but people are going to need to take their orange blinders off. I get it and we all love SU on here but you really need to take a long look. I mentioned other recruits but look as close as the Syracuse area and see how they did some of their very own kids over the years such as Dajuan Coleman. Say what you want and I know he had injuries but they never developed him over the years. I give Dajuan Coleman a lot of praise for everything he has gone through and I will give SU this much, they didn't run him out. But the only reason why I think that is because he is from the Syracuse area. So instead what they do is make him that token player who they let start and run about 5 trips up in down the court every game before they take him out. They might take him out after two trips up the court depending on wether or not JB feels he did something wrong and wants to scream on him. So I guess that's loyalty because they let the graduate senior play 8 or so minutes a game. We don't have to go back very far. Let us just take a look at the last game. Take a look at the possession that Frank Howard turned the ball over. Did you see what JB did to him? Give me a break, it was one turnover. JB snatched him right out and screamed on him. Then he put Gillon in and he got a turnover and JB lost his mind and took him right out and put Frank back in. Then Frank gets a basket and then hit a 3 as soon as he gets back in. JB should have just coached him through the first turnover anyway instead of screaming on him and yanking him out. Don't you think Frank is playing well and he earned that right? That's how players develop and get better. They don't get better when they're forced to play always looking over their shoulders like robots and puppets. You don't think recruits notice that? I know the string is longer for different players but I want you to really look and watch the game without your orange blinders on. Quade probably wouldn't even have started next year here regardless of what the staff told him. Quade is a smart kid and he knows the game. He's a crazy competitor and he hates to loose. I also want you to remember one thing, Quade is from Philly. Dion Waiters is from Philly. Now I want you to ask yourself how was Dion's relationship with the staff at SU?

I could say so much more but I have already wrote your eyes off long enough, in far too much length I may add. But I will end with loyalty again because a lot of people have mentioned that. Let's take a look at SU's most loyal recent recruit Matthew Moyer. Look how loyal he has been to SU. He's been promoting SU since day one and he's been even trying to help get other recruits to commit to SU. It didn't take SU long to turn their loyalty towards him but he's such a good kid he can't even see that they have already started to turn on him. Some might say they're doing him a favor by giving him a redshirt year but others see this could be the beginning to a not so good place for him there. Do you think he redshirted because of injury? He redshirted because the staff found out he's not good enough to play there right now. So I'm telling you if he doesn't develop to their standards he with either never really play there or they will ship him out on the next flight leaving the airport and recruit somebody else over him. Now tell me again about loyalty. Long story short Quade and the rest of these kids don't owe anybody loyalty except their families and their selfs. Quade did what he felt was best for him and his family regardless of how he did it and regardless of who didn't like it. Quade wants to get to the NBA and take care of his family and he believes Kentucky is the best way for him to do that at. Case closed.

sheesh. can't believe I made it all the way through, but this is one of the more laughable posts I've seen on here. You should really do yourself a favor and follow a pure, benevolent program and not the evil SU program led by evil incarnate himself, JAB.

I can't believe that evil coaching staff has already turned on MM and is making him redshirt in the most evil of ways possible. Pure evil.

"child" lol

 

[IthacaMatt]

Well, he basically admitted Quade treated it like a "business" (transaction), and was told to treat it as such, since coaches supposedly can't be trusted. The rightful backlash on the kid is the way it unfolded at the 11th hour. It's the staff's fault for not being careful and allowing it to happen, but it's very shortsighted to excuse the sudden, out of the blue "change of heart" right at the early signing deadline, essentially sabotaging a program's recruiting class. As fans of the program, we have every right to call it what it is, regardless if it can be a two-way street at times or not. Some valid points made above, along with a lot of innuendo and speculation.

EXACTLY. AFTER the signing period, sabotaging our class. That's not classy. That's trash. He trashed us. He trashed our plans. We relied on him because he led us to believe he was coming here for MONTHS. Screw this kid, and talk to his coach. We don't let this happen again. Hopefully Gerry learned something important here.

 

[pearl31]

I didn't mean any disrespect and I apologize if it came across that way. He is a great kid and I want all the best for him. I'm just telling you he is not ready to play at this level right now. Hopefully he will be at some point but he is not ready now. That's why they redshirted him.

so what the is your point? that Syracuse shouldn't have recruited him? that he ended up not being as ready as the staff had hoped but should be thrown out on the court anyway?
why don't you explained how they've "turned on him"

 

[two3zone]

He was able to offer that but not with the bigs we have. He is capable of doing it but the minutes aren't there because of what we have in the frontcourt. There are only so many minutes to go around.

I'll respectfully disagree. Not sure he's got the skill set to play the 3 nor the size to play the 4.

Like you said in a previous post, he needs to add strength, practice his shooting, and he's not a three now.

He has a lot of work to do and his intangibles may be excellent but it takes a lot more than intangibles to be a great player.