Some of you guys need to calm down.

[OrangeXtreme]

McCroskey - oh yes - please tell us the story

Pull up a chair ...

 

[MattOB]

are you really this dense? ONCE AGAIN, IT'S HOW HE DID IT. It's not that he picked UK over SU it's that he flat out verbally confirmed his commitment to the coaches less than a week before his big hoopla announcement and then, well we know what happened next

Eaaaaasy, I'm not dense, it's just an opinion. I'm saying it's a big enough decision for me to understand why a kid could flip flop. His actual quality of life could affected by this decision, meanwhile all it might do to us is cost us a year, or possible few years of winning

 

[HoustonCuse]

Eaaaaasy, I'm not dense, it's just an opinion. I'm saying it's a big enough decision for me to understand why a kid could flip flop. His actual quality of life could affected by this decision, meanwhile all it might do to us is cost us a year, or possible few years of winning

Well in fairness, it means more than that to Gerry and Hopkins. People in our fan base are already calling for Gerry to be fired over this and Hopkins will basically be on the hotseat after his first 5 minutes as HC, so having or not having QG could make a huge difference.

That's a possible alternative view for CuseRaised to consider. QG will make NBA money in a couple years no matter which school he picked. But GMac probably makes peanuts and could be canned over something like this. So who is really in the helpless victim role?

 

[MattOB]

Redshirting him could only help him in this scenario because he is not ready to play yet at this level. After his redshirt year if he doesnt progress to their standards they will recruit over him, force him out, give him the Mookie Jones treatment, or do him like they did Louie M from St. Raymonds. They don't care. It's about winning at this level. Now this is number 22 to tell you that is why the kid should do what is best for him when and how he wants to do it regardless of what any staff member or fan thinks.

There are reasons for a kid to believe he has a better shot making it to the league if he goes to Syracuse or kentucky. In the end, he probably picked Kentucky because it's kentucky...and you normally get drafted when you go to Kentucky. . He thought there was a better shot at making it to the NBA through Kentucky. I disagree with him, but understand how one could think so

 

[pearl31]

Eaaaaasy, I'm not dense, it's just an opinion. I'm saying it's a big enough decision for me to understand why a kid could flip flop. His actual quality of life could affected by this decision, meanwhile all it might do to us is cost us a year, or possible few years of winning

yep you're entitled to your opinion. but this is a Syracuse basketball fan forum - so, um, yeah folks are going to be a little worked up in the aftermath of how stuff went down last week

 

[MattOB]

Well in fairness, it means more than that to Gerry and Hopkins. People in our fan base are already calling for Gerry to be fired over this and Hopkins will basically be on the hotseat after his first 5 minutes as HC, so having or not having QG could make a huge difference.

That's a possible alternative view for CuseRaised to consider. QG will make NBA money in a couple years no matter which school he picked. But GMac probably makes peanuts and could be canned over something like this. So who is really in the helpless victim role?

I disagree. I thought about that and honestly don't think this will get either of them fired. But, once again that's an opinion and kind of just not provable. And guaranteeing he'll make it to the league either way is incorrect. He HAS A CHANCE either way. Me, personally believe he had just as good of a chance at either school. You can look at all the guards we've put through to the NBA and see that as a reason to come here. But, there are also examples of kids from Kentucky who barely played there and still declared for the draft...and got drafted quite early. But, really I understand what you mean about the gmac and hop potentially being on the hot seat, but personally believe we have quite enough talent for that not to happen. So, in a way the same way in which i disagree with Quade but understand his opinion, I disagree with you but totally understand your opinion. As for it being a guarante he gets to the league through either school, I completely disagree. I don't know...I hope you get what I mean

 

[MattOB]

yep you're entitled to your opinion. but this is a Syracuse basketball fan forum - so, um, yeah folks are going to be a little worked up in the aftermath of how stuff went down last week

It's all good

 

[MattOB]

Well, there happens to be a new head coach coming in, and if he was looking to build around you, and for your help building an elite class to launch him as head coach, then maybe you'll understand why Quade was just so selfish in the way he made his decision. You're not a Syracuse fan if you don't see that.

Bit of a low blow...but I think were being selfish to think watching a basketball team win games is more important than this kids life. And that's my opinion...and we all don't have to have the same one to love this program

 

[IthacaMatt]

There are reasons for a kid to believe he has a better shot making it to the league if he goes to Syracuse or kentucky. In the end, he probably picked Kentucky because it's kentucky...and you normally get drafted when you go to Kentucky. . He thought there was a better shot at making it to the NBA through Kentucky. I disagree with him, but understand how one could think so

You might not have noticed, since Kentucky is just oh, so Kentucky, but we've had first round picks for about 8 straight years. And unlike Calipari, we get kids in the 40-70 range drafted, not just top 20 kids.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Bit of a low blow...but I think were being selfish to think watching a basketball team win games is more important than this kids life. And that's my opinion...and we all don't have to have the same one to love this program

You can't buy class.

 

[HoustonCuse]

You might not have noticed, since Kentucky is just oh, so Kentucky, but we've had first round picks for about 8 straight years. And unlike Calipari, we get kids in the 40-70 range drafted, not just top 20 kids.

I was irritated to read a quote from N-G coach Arrigale saying Quade really liked Syracuse but ultimately had to pick UK because they get guys to the NBA. Freaking really? I understand Cal being able to sell that fallacy to dumb kids but I expect a little more critical thinking from an adult who has been around the block for 30+ years like he has.

 

[doc05]

I was irritated to read a quote from N-G coach Arrigale saying Quade really liked Syracuse but ultimately had to pick UK because they get guys to the NBA. Freaking really? I understand Cal being able to sell that fallacy to dumb kids but I expect a little more critical thinking from an adult who has been around the block for 30+ years like he has.

In all fairness though, he kind of had to say this since that is what the little guy and his team was saying was a reason for flip flop. I actually think he was taking up for Cuse the whole time -- has a good relationship with the staff here. Ultimately the kid "had to do what he had to do" and his coach had to take up for him, support and justify his position.

 

[kcsu]

He must have told them he was coming. Otherwise they don't turn away the kid from Oak Hill. The kid who went to Minnesota committed a while ago, so that's not a factor. But we just turned away a 5 star PG from Oak Hill who wanted to visit. You don't do that unless the kid gave you a silent verbal, and every indication that he was coming here. How many times was he on campus, ten? He was just here with Brissett, with Sidibe, with Bamba, with Diallo, for Orange Madness, etc. I mean, he was here to escort every one of our recruits. What is up with that? That's just bullshirt. Screw this kid. I hope they recruit over him.

The kid

In all fairness though, he kind of had to say this since that is what the little guy and his team was saying was a reason for flip flop. I actually think he was taking up for Cuse the whole time -- has a good relationship with the staff here. Ultimately the kid "had to do what he had to do" and his coach had to take up for him, support and justify his position.

Why. Do you justify poor behavior from your children. His coach should at a minimum apologize to our staff and explain to his players that the way this went down is not acceptable behavior.

 

[MattOB]

You might not have noticed, since Kentucky is just oh, so Kentucky, but we've had first round picks for about 8 straight years. And unlike Calipari, we get kids in the 40-70 range drafted, not just top 20 kids.

I've said about 78 times there are reasons for one to believe that Kentucky gives a kid abetter shot at making it into the league than Syracuse and vice versa. I also said that I, myself believe he made the wrong decision, and think we are much more talented at it than Calipari. I'm saying I can see how a kid can think either way...you aren't listening to my words at all

 

[MattOB]

You might not have noticed, since Kentucky is just oh, so Kentucky, but we've had first round picks for about 8 straight years. And unlike Calipari, we get kids in the 40-70 range drafted, not just top 20 kids.

Also, in the past 7 years kentucky have had a player selected in the TOP 10. You are making me try to make a case for kentucky and I don't like it. If you just see it from the kids perspective...he's a kid who believes he's making the best decision for himself. Personally, I agree, we're better at getting kids into the NBA that aren't top prospects out of school and I think he made the WRONG decision, but I understand the logic behind it. Kentucky has years we're half their team gets drafted.

 

[MattOB]

You can't buy class.

You know next to nothing about him

 

[50YRsofCuse]

Shai signed his LOI

For what it is worth, The Daily Orange article states that Quade Green has not signed a LOI as of Saturday and will sign officially in April with the rest of the N-G seniors.

 

[IthacaMatt]

I've said about 78 times there are reasons for one to believe that Kentucky gives a kid abetter shot at making it into the league than Syracuse and vice versa. I also said that I, myself believe he made the wrong decision, and think we are much more talented at it than Calipari. I'm saying I can see how a kid can think either way...you aren't listening to my words at all

That's because you refuse to answer one legitimate question - he held the Kentucky offer for over a month. Why did he wait until AFTER the signing period to leave us high and dry? Just answer that, and whether you think it's the right way to do things. I'm a little tired of you bending over backwards to say he has to take care of his future. If you accept a job, do you call up and quit the job if you get a better offer before you even start the new job? That's essentially what Quade did. In the job world, it's unacceptable and burns bridges. In college recruiting, it's a shitty thing to do, the way he did it. I will say again, as many have said in this thread, I have no problem with a kid thinking that another school is a better choice for him, but you don't string people along, have them turn away their other options based on your representations to them, wait until it's too late for the school to make arrangements to replace you, and THEN you drop them. That's punk.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

For what it is worth, The Daily Orange article states that Quade Green has not signed a LOI as of Saturday and will sign officially in April with the rest of the N-G seniors.

The Daily Orange is 100% wrong.

Kentucky Men’s Basketball Signs Four in Fall Signing Period | UK Wildcats News

LEXINGTON, Ky. – Continuing a trend that started with the arrival of head coach John Calipari, the Kentucky men’s basketball program has once again put together one of the strongest recruiting classes in the country, signing four of the nation’s top players during the early fall signing period. Highly rated prospects Shai Gilgeous-Alexander, Quade Green, Nick Richards and P.J. Washington have all inked national letters of intent with UK.

 

[IthacaMatt]

You know next to nothing about him

And other than saying "but it's Kentucky", you can't answer for why he didn't do it before the signing period was over. No problem with him going to Kentucky or Duke, but he held their offers for over a month, and told our coaches he was coming until after they couldn't sign anyone else. NO CLASS WHATSOEVER. That's not how it's done.

 

[AZOrange]

Tossing Moyer under the bus? I think Moyer is a nice kid. That doesn't negate the fact that the staff redshirted him because he is not ready to play on that level. I mentioned Moyer because a lot of you toss around the word loyalty only when it has to do with the players. Moyer has been nothing but loyal to SU and the staff. It's funny how 20 posts later you can't understand that Quade or any other smart kid don't care how they do it. And if it's not obvious by now after my 20 posts here is number 21 to tell you that these kids should do what is best for them when and how they want to do it. And that is because these coaches don't care about how they do recruits, and will recruit over them and force them out when they want to do it and how they want to do it.

Players doing what is best for them, fine. How they want to do it is where you've completely left the reservation. Of course, basketball and sports in general, has become so perverse compared to the real world that it's not worth arguing about. You simply cannot get away with that type of nonsense in sny kind of professional pursuit unless you want it to be your last move.

 

[AZOrange]

Poor Louie M from St. Raymonds. Just reprehensible how they did him.

This should be good.

 

[AZOrange]

You know next to nothing about him

I assume from your posts that you do.

 

[MSOrange]

Poor Louie M from St. Raymonds. Just reprehensible how they did him.

Yeah JB really did Louie wrong, He should have put him right in the starting lineup after their little "discussion" in the locker room. Holy cow.....

 

[Toga]

It's an interesting - infuriating psychological phenomenon exhibited by the inability, unwillingness or hard headedness that the Green apologists are not able (despite being told ad nauseum) that it was the Way he did it - not that he decided to go elsewhere. Every response willfully ignores the only point everyone else is making.