Some Random Nuggets

[rrlbees]

[quote="rrlbees, post: 133734 Moqui, I think, put it best when he said the O outperformed the D in the first 7 games which led to the 5-2 record while they both sheet the bed in the last 5.

Poor KingOtto, he gets no respect. Now he's being confused with a poster who primarily posts on the hoops board.[/quote]

LOL, OK Kingotto. My bad.

 

[rrlbees]

long fields hurt the offensive yardage and short fields hurt the offensive yardage.

yards yards yards. who gives a crap about every piddly stat. if we're good at the stats you cherry pick, we must suck at the other stats you don't cherry pick in order for yards to be so lousy.

in conference we gained 353 (84th) and gave up 365 (43rd rank)

a defense that gives up 365 ypg is better than an offense that gains 353.

"would you take it?" is a good way to look at this stuff.

going into the year, who wouldn't have taken a 365 ypg defense in conference? (well, i guess there were some people who thought we could stay a top 10 d...)

who would've taken 353 ypg from the offense

Not what I said. Long fields hurt PPG. It probably helps yardage. I also didn't cherry pick, I listed a number of stats. Which ones did I leave out? My only point was that the single measure of PPG can be impacted by many other factors. Even yards alone we were middle of the BE.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

in conference we gained 353 (84th) and gave up 365 (43rd rank)

a defense that gives up 365 ypg is better than an offense that gains 353.

"would you take it?" is a good way to look at this stuff.

going into the year, who wouldn't have taken a 365 ypg defense in conference? (well, i guess there were some people who thought we could stay a top 10 d...)

who would've taken 353 ypg from the offense

The average yardage on defense reflects crappy kickoff coverage and bad punting. There were many scoring drives where the opposing offense scored after starting on their own 40 and would have scored just as easily if starting on their own 20.

The average yardage, while not bad, does not reflect how the defense rarely came up with key stops, especially on third and short situations. It doesn't reflect all of the tackles for loss that turned into big gains because of bad technique and over-pursuit.

It doesn't reflect all of the blown coverage either.

 

[Millhouse]

Not what I said. Long fields hurt PPG. It probably helps yardage. I also didn't cherry pick, I listed a number of stats. Which ones did I leave out? My only point was that the single measure of PPG can be impacted by many other factors. Even yards alone we were middle of the BE.

i prefer to look at the whole country. You can have 2 terrible offenses behind you in the big east and get tricked into thinking your offense isn't terrible either.

compared to every other FBS teams conference offensive YPG, we were 84th.

 

[GoSU96]

i prefer to look at the whole country. You can have 2 terrible offenses behind you in the big east and get tricked into thinking your offense isn't terrible either.

compared to every other FBS teams conference offensive YPG, we were 84th.

Hilarious, the guy who focuses like a laser on one stat calls people who look at a wide range of stats as cherry picking.

What a goof.

 

[Millhouse]

Hilarious, the guy who focuses like a laser on one stat calls people who look at a wide range of stats as cherry picking.

What a goof.

the only reason any of the other stats are important is how they pertain to yards.

if you want to look deeper to figure out why we sucked, go ahead knock yourself out

but if you want to give equal weight to 3rd down efficiency between the 22 and 24 yard line and total yards, you've already been knocked out repeatedly and should probably get checked out

 

[GoSU96]

Agree as far as expectations. I expected more from the offense and knew the defense would be down. But again, was the O hamstrung by some things like longer fields and curious red zone play calling. I didn't think they would be #1 in the BE, but I guess I did think they would be a bit better than middle of the road. My expectations that weren't met on offense were mainly the OL and the WR's behind Lemon as well as I don't understand the inability of Nassib to be more accurate deep. The ST were a huge disappointment especially in the coverage teams and returns. It was also disappointing that when Krautman was hurt we had nobody that could kick off at all and he had to do it hurt. Just a season of disappointment and missed opportunities. I still content that the rutgers game was the killer even though we bounced back to beat WVU. I want that 4th down at the 6 inch line back.

Single biggest issue with the offense was lack of explosive plays and easy scores. Regardless of what others think, the offense has gotten better in a lot of ways, but is missing that key piece.

Add in the field position issues and it made it that much worse.

Out of 145 regulation (not counting OT) possessions, they started on the opponents side of the 50 only 17 times. By contrast they started inside their own 20 32 times.

 

[syr02esq]

Don't like analogies fine. My point is that everything looks good in theory including Hackett's offense. But if you can't execute it then it doesn't work. That simple enough for you without making comparisons?

Grob's dog and pony show of switching the formation did not change the core of the offense which was West Coast principles. I don't care of we lined up in the pistol, under center, or whatever. Fact is it was an offense predicated on ball control, accumulating small chunks of yardage, and using up the clock. Wait a minute...Yes DM is running another NFL offense and it sucks. Building an offense for our players? YEAH THATS IT! The only difference between DMs offense and Grob's offense is that Grob thought the pass could setup the run, DM thinks the run can setup the pass. Reality is that if you don't have an accurate QB who can deliver catchable balls then you don't try to setup the pass, nor do you use the pass to setup anything else. Cause regardless which one you try that in one unbalanced equation and doomed for failure. If you can't pass then don't do it. Nassib holds the single season record for passing attempts and we finished dead last in the BE. 66th in passing ypg, 84th in team scoring. Something doesn't add up. I'm gonna repeat that...84TH!

You're right we didn't have a breakout WR, didn't have a QB with any touch, didn't have an OL that could block very well so let's play a PRO STYLE offense which is designed for guys who can do all those things in the NFL. There's your stroke of genius! Brilliant I say!

With our subpar QB and WR play this year we had no business in any kind of passing offense. We also didn't have a Delone Carter to push up the middle 30 times a game. So what do you do? You run a college offense based on deception, misdirection, and running. Many of us call it an option style offense. There are many to choose from.

We forced a pro style offense on a bunch of kids who don't have pro skill sets and it resulted in a horrible offense that was supposed to carry a younger, inexperienced defense. It didn't happen and this horrendous season is the result. Barely getting wins over FCS and Mac opponents, and getting stomped in the worst BCS conference in the country.

Yeah, ugh is right.

This is the post of the year. Me like!

 

[rrlbees]

This is the post of the year. Me like!

Yea, he wants to play the 4th string QB in an offense that isn't in the olaybook and we didn't recruit for. But our OL that can't get to their man on an outside screen will get there in an option offense.

Sent from my DROIDX

 

[Pyle]

Yea, he wants to play the 4th string QB in an offense that isn't in the olaybook and we didn't recruit for. But our OL that can't get to their man on an outside screen will get there in an option offense.

Sent from my DROIDX

Probably not 4th string in an option style offense.
Plays not being in the playbook is on the coaches.
As for the OL, you said it, they can't to the outside on a screen.

But fast forward a decade(or two), not all option offenses simply run Deleoption outside left, Deleoption outside right, and back again. I'm talking the kind of offense WV and others run where you fake multiple handoffs and the defense is left guessing who has the ball. By the time they figure it out somebody's 10 yards downfield. Would it have worked? I DONT KNOW! But what we had this year didn't, that much IS certain. 84th in the country in ppg.

Also I don't pretend to be a coach despite what some posters on here may or may not think. I do know one thing. To win a football game you have to score more points than your opponent. Obviously that's hard to do when your points per game is lower than 2/3 of the country.

 

[rrlbees]

Probably not 4th string in an option style offense.
Plays not being in the playbook is on the coaches.
As for the OL, you said it, they can't to the outside on a screen.

But fast forward a decade(or two), not all option offenses simply run Deleoption outside left, Deleoption outside right, and back again. I'm talking the kind of offense WV and others run where you fake multiple handoffs and the defense is left guessing who has the ball. By the time they figure it out somebody's 10 yards downfield. Would it have worked? I DONT KNOW! But what we had this year didn't, that much IS certain. 84th in the country in ppg.

Also I don't pretend to be a coach despite what some posters on here may or may not think. I do know one thing. To win a football game you have to score more points than your opponent. Obviously that's hard to do when your points per game is lower than 2/3 of the country.

Oh, you mean the spread. We haven't recruited the speed for the spread. Look what happened to RichRod when he went from a team recruited for the spread and had great success to a team not suited for the spread.

 

[Pyle]

Oh, you mean the spread. We haven't recruited the speed for the spread. Look what happened to RichRod when he went from a team recruited for the spread and had great success to a team not suited for the spread.

Fair enough. But we don't seem very well suited for a Pro Style offense either.

 

[BORZAK]

yes!!!!

 

[rosconey]

Fair enough. But we don't seem very well suited for a Pro Style offense either.

our offense is undesrcibeable-only marrone and "cant"hackett actually know what it is-they havent even told the players yet its such a secret-
those in the know call it the "area 51" offense its so secret-