Some Random Nuggets

[OrangePA]

This is insanity.

You know what.

Your post has given me clarity.

You're right.

The problem was the offense this year.

I'm sorry.

By the way, is it too late to bring back Bumbraugh and Conley?

 

[OrangePA]

You have a strange definition for what a fact is, my friend.

Haven't we been through this before?

You know, the part about of how I view your contributions to SU Football analysis?

 

[IthacaBarrel]

West Virginia's pass attack was one of the best in the country this season, while Syracuse's pass defense was one the worst. Syracuse beat WVU soundly. What do the rankings tell us there?

It tells me that WVU is in the Orange Bowl and we are not.. that is what it tells me

 

[Noexcuse]

My view is that there were games where the offense was good enough to carry the defense and there were other games where the defense was good enough to carry the offense. Unfortunately there were not enough games (6 is the magic number I guess) where they were both equally good enough to carry each other. Consistency on both sides of the ball are the issue and maybe with maturity of both the players and the coaches the team can gain enough of that moving forward.

 

[Millhouse]

Millhouse - Are you suggesting that I am not smart?

My goodness, who would ever believe that you might sit in judgement of someone's intelligence. Come to think of it, you did questions Dave Rahme's football acumen didn't you? I guess I should not be immune from your analysis. Sorry I even brought it up.

As far as the college rankings are concerned, different teams play different schedules and different conferences and have different game experiences. I'm not sure that in the college game with 117 teams one can base an assesement on rankings alone.

Are you Millhouse suggesting that our offense was actually less effective than our defense this year?

our defense was bad but superior our offense as evidenced by our yardage rankings in all games and in just conference games

rahme is a smart guy and i give him high marks for admitting that column wasn't his best work

 

[OrangePA]

our defense was bad but superior our offense as evidenced by our yardage rankings in all games and in just conference games

rahme is a smart guy and i give him high marks for admitting that column wasn't his best work

Sorry, but I disagree with you on this one - with respect to your assessment of the offense and defense.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Haven't we been through this before?

You know, the part about of how I view your contributions to SU Football analysis?

That's fine. You subjectively view my analysis as worthless.

The problem is, you're also trying to claim subjectivity (your analysis) as objective fact.

 

[Scooch]

It's all of it. They have been trying to climb out of a huge hole and some folks here have made the job harder.

You want to think that I was saying this board is the entire cause of all that is wrong, that's your prerogative.

Awful defensive bunch here.

Just so I'm clear, because I really like to make sure I totally understand the current talking points... Did the job of the staff get "easier" because this board, and the fan base in general, was almost universally optimistic from December 29th, 2010 through mid-October 2011? But the griping that has occured after a 5 game season-wrecking losing streak has ruined that? So in other words, the program does better when we're winning, as opposed to losing? Hmmmm, I did not see that coming.

Sorry, I'll be more sincere... I think you're a lapdog for the staff. "Harder"? We have a toothless media that hasn't said boo about Marrone's job security. But we have like a half-dozen consistently negative posters on a site read by, at best, a few thousand people a month, and their job is "harder" because of it?

I'll say it again, if this program can't overcome the critical posts of IB and kcsu then we're totally -ed. That's weak.

 

[Millhouse]

yardage rankings

all games
offense 90
defense 64

conf games
offense 84
defense 43
what you saw or didn't see doesn't matter.

generally yards tell the story in college over enough games

pros is different, green bay gives up more than they gain. they're probably not as good as their record. New England and GB are the 2 worst defenses in the league in ypg. maybe it's because of the cap, can't be good at both?

 

[Chip]

I'll say it again, if this program can't overcome the critical posts of IB and kcsu then we're totally ****-ed. That's weak.

I would probably rephrase to say if this program is able to be damaged by the critical posts of IB and kcsu, then we might be totally ****-ed, and that would be weak.

There are certainly factors that either damage the program, or maybe we should call them barriers to success. I would put this message board very low on the priority list as far as that is concerned.

My sense is that Go has a pretty good source on the team (he's been posting some short insider tidbits here and there) and that source probably told him that the staff reads this board and that any perceived negativity isn't helping them do their job. But I would also expect every coach to think that about their message boards. Coaches love fans, but hate message boards, I think they hate the internet in general, those that are aware that there is one anyway.

Any negativity that makes Marrone's job tougher probably isn't residing here, because the people here go to games, donate $, etc. The ones that claim to be fans but don't care enough about the program to attend games or join a message board are the ones causing more of a problem. The general lack of capital at a private school with a smaller enrollment/alumni base in a poor conference (for now) is also much closer to the top of the list.

 

[rosconey]

to lay any blame on posters on a internet forum SCREAMS insanity

 

[OrangeXtreme]

We know that the coaches read the message boards.

We know that players (and their parents) read the message boards.

We also know that recruits (and their parents and HS coaches) read the message boards.

I'm sure that some players and recruits were thrilled to read on the Internet that their position coaches were losing their jobs.

It would explain why SU didn't want to make this news public until everyone affected by the change could be contacted personally by Marrone or another staff member first.

We'll find out on Feb 1 if our little news leak had a negative influence on recruiting.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

We know that the coaches read the message boards.

We know that players (and their parents) read the message boards.

We also know that recruits (and their parents and HS coaches) read the message boards.

I'm sure that some players and recruits were thrilled to read on the Internet that their position coaches were losing their jobs.

It would explain why SU didn't want to make this news public until everyone affected by the change could be contacted personally by Marrone or another staff member first.

We'll find out on Feb 1 if our little news leak had a negative influence on recruiting.

Hey, if I am going to share the blame in the lack of success, I should have some input then on how to run the program!! Take the good with the bad, blaming internet message forums is beyond insane

 

[VirginiaOrange]

To any recruit reading this post, please don't make your decision solely on this board because you never know what may or may not be true:

Facilities - rather than build an indoor practice bubble, SU plans on turning the Carrier Dome into a practice facility and building a new stadium based on the same design as the Cowboys' stadium.

Weather - El Nino has pretty much eliminated all snow from the forecast for Syracuse. In fact the extended January forecast is calling for highs in the mid-70s.

 

[kingottoiii]

yardage rankings

all games
offense 90
defense 64

conf games
offense 84
defense 43
what you saw or didn't see doesn't matter.

generally yards tell the story in college over enough games

pros is different, green bay gives up more than they gain. they're probably not as good as their record. New England and GB are the 2 worst defenses in the league in ypg. maybe it's because of the cap, can't be good at both?

IMO the D was a problem all year long. We gave up 26.71 ppg the first 7 games and were even worse the last 5 against weak Os (31 ppg). The O was not an issue the first 7 games (29.86 ppg) but was a huge issue against the weak BE (16.2 ppg). The D was an issue from game 1. The O fell apart and was pathetic the last 5 games. The first 7 they carried the D.

 

[rrlbees]

You sure like to pat yourself on the back. I am going to repeat this one last time. Maybe you will get it , maybe not, but after this I give up and will not repeat it anymore. Nassib should not be QB!!! I stated before, John Kinder would be the one to lead that type of offense. Not Nassib. One more time, Kinder@QB, Nassib@Bench.

Except Kinder was like 4th on the depth chart and Nassib 1st.

 

[rrlbees]

We know that the coaches read the message boards.

We know that players (and their parents) read the message boards.

We also know that recruits (and their parents and HS coaches) read the message boards.

I'm sure that some players and recruits were thrilled to read on the Internet that their position coaches were losing their jobs.

It would explain why SU didn't want to make this news public until everyone affected by the change could be contacted personally by Marrone or another staff member first.

We'll find out on Feb 1 if our little news leak had a negative influence on recruiting.

So you're saying that because someone posted Conley and Brumbaugh were out and it was leaked before Marrone called a recruit, that we might lose that recruit? Not much of a recruit then. If he is going to back out because he read it on a message board, he would probably back out when told personally then. Kids do change their mind sometimes when they lose their recruiting coach. Rare, but it happens. Has nothing to do with a message board though.

 

[rosconey]

what would scare a recruit more
a-watching a team underperform at every aspect weekly with your own eyes,and wonder why specail teams looks like it rides the short yellow bus
or

b- some dude on the net saying so

 

[OrangeXtreme]

If I'm a HS coach, and SU didn't have the integrity to contact my kid first, I'd be pissed off.

Now you're not losing just one recruit, you're possibly losing every potential recruit from this HS.

The last thing Marrone (or the next coach) needs are more doors slammed in his face.

 

[djcon57]

IMO the D was a problem all year long. We gave up 26.71 ppg the first 7 games and were even worse the last 5 against weak Os (31 ppg). The O was not an issue the first 7 games (29.86 ppg) but was a huge issue against the weak BE (16.2 ppg). The D was an issue from game 1. The O fell apart and was pathetic the last 5 games. The first 7 they carried the D.

Wake Forest, Tulane, and Toldeo, yes, maybe

Rhode Island. The offense was TERRIBLE.
USC. The offense was TERRIBLE (except for the 1st drive and the trick play)
Rutgers. The offense was TERRIBLE.

WVU, both sides were great.

In what world did they carry the D for 7 games.

 

[Chip]

If I'm a HS coach, and SU didn't have the integrity to contact my kid first, I'd be pissed off.

Now you're not losing just one recruit, you're possibly losing every potential recruit from this HS.

The last thing Marrone (or the next coach) needs are more doors slammed in his face.

Again, we're hours from 2012. I would hope that every parent and every HS coach of every kid that goes to every college would be well aware that:

A. Assistant coaches on losing teams do not exactly have job security, and

B. (the 2012 part), in this day and age, as much as the HC would like to call each recruit first, we're far too invested and mature into this information age to expect to keep that news in house for very long.

As Bees said, I hope the kids coming here, were coming here for more reasons than just a particular assistant coach, no matter how much that relationship was built up.

 

[Chip]

Wake Forest, Tulane, and Toldeo, yes, maybe

Rhode Island. The offense was TERRIBLE.
USC. The offense was TERRIBLE (except for the 1st drive and the trick play)
Rutgers. The offense was TERRIBLE.

WVU, both sides were great.

In what world did they carry the D for 7 games.

I throw the USC game out, they were very good, it was in their home, not worth analyzing.

URI and Rutgers you are right. D gave up 2 TDs against URI, which is never great against a 1AA. But for the O to only have 350 yards and 3 TDs against a 1AA in the Dome just has to be considered unacceptable. And one would have to be completely crazy to blame the D in any way, shape or form for that Rutgers game, which, as many said at the time and it proved to be true, was going to come back and bite us.

Defense wasn't good most of the year. Offense wasn't good most of the year. Special Teams weren't good most of the year. And SU wasn't good most of the year.

 

[djcon57]

I throw the USC game out, they were very good, it was in their home, not worth analyzing.

URI and Rutgers you are right. D gave up 2 TDs against URI, which is never great against a 1AA. But for the O to only have 350 yards and 3 TDs against a 1AA in the Dome just has to be considered unacceptable. And one would have to be completely crazy to blame the D in any way, shape or form for that Rutgers game, which, as many said at the time and it proved to be true, was going to come back and bite us.

Defense wasn't good most of the year. Offense wasn't good most of the year. Special Teams weren't good most of the year. And SU wasn't good most of the year.

Beyond that, The defense had our only TD in the Rutgers game...classic.

..and I'm not even saying the D was "good". But the bottom line is DM was brought in as an offensive coach specifically with expertise on the OLine. We had an experienced RB, experienced QB, experienced WRs...and the college game (and the pro game) is BUILT for high scoring. All ties go to the offensive player. All penalties skew to the defense.

 

[OrangePA]

That's fine. You subjectively view my analysis as worthless.

The problem is, you're also trying to claim subjectivity (your analysis) as objective fact.

You are probably right. My analysis is subjective. I admit that. I go by what I see.

But, I believe that I'm right on this issue.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

But, I believe that I'm right on this issue.

I don't take any issue with you feeling that you're right.