Sometimes in life, the one you want and need | Page 3 | Syracusefan.com

Sometimes in life, the one you want and need

Cusefan95 said:
If we hire GMac and it doesn’t work out - I don’t think there are any pieces to pick up. Turn out the lights, the party is over - Syracuse basketball is officially as relevant as DePaul.
Expand...
And we’ll be in the Big East conference with DePaul.
 
Cusefan95 said:
If we hire GMac and it doesn’t work out - I don’t think there are any pieces to pick up. Turn out the lights, the party is over - Syracuse basketball is officially as relevant as DePaul.
Expand...

If we hire GMac and it doesn’t work out - I don’t think there are any pieces to pick up. Turn out the lights, the party is over - Syracuse basketball is officially as relevant as DePaul.

But if we hire Hodgson or Murray or Holloway or Jay Wright, and it doesn’t work out - I think we will be able to pick the pieces up. Turn on the lights! The party is just getting started! Syracuse basketball is officially back as long as we go outside the SU family! 😂
 
Cuseball said:
Who are the other candidates you think have a better track record?
Expand...
Ding ding... what if GMAC is the best available candidate of the ones whom we have a realistic shot of getting. Let's assume that the ISU coach and coaches at his level are not realistic... who is left and why are they better than GMAC. I'll include BH. Please also assess whether they will leave for the next best job and include that in your evaluation
 
malpearl31 said:
If we hire GMac and it doesn’t work out - I don’t think there are any pieces to pick up. Turn out the lights, the party is over - Syracuse basketball is officially as relevant as DePaul.

But if we hire Hodgson or Murray or Holloway or Jay Wright, and it doesn’t work out - I think we will be able to pick the pieces up. Turn on the lights! The party is just getting started! Syracuse basketball is officially back as long as we go outside the SU family! 😂
Expand...

Anyone being honest with themselves will realize hiring GMac is a high variance decision. That’s inherent in hiring a guy with a total of two years experience - there isn’t a lot of history to judge. It could work out great. It could also be a disaster. High ceiling, very low floor. I’d rather we get a coach with a much higher floor, even if that means a lower ceiling, because we absolutely need this hiring to be successful. I’ll consider successful a guy who gets us into the tournament most years, even if Syracuse is generally a #6-11 seed.

I’m not generally risk averse - I’ve said I will consider the Fran Brown hiring a success no matter how it plays out from here. We needed an outside the box hire with a chance to be a grand slam - part of that is taking on the risk of a guy with a low ceiling. We’ve already seen “high ceiling, low floor” play out in just two years in football (which is frankly astonishing, I can’t think of any other time I’ve seen that).

I don’t think this is the time for Syracuse basketball to be trying to hit a grand slam with a big risk of a strikeout. It’s the time for a high OBP guy who will get us a single. I’ll settle for a walk. A strikeout is probably fatal to the program’s relevance.
 
Cusefan95 said:
Anyone being honest with themselves will realize hiring GMac is a high variance decision. That’s inherent in hiring a guy with a total of two years experience - there isn’t a lot of history to judge. It could work out great. It could also be a disaster. High ceiling, very low floor. I’d rather we get a coach with a much higher floor, even if that means a lower ceiling, because we absolutely need this hiring to be successful. I’ll consider successful a guy who gets us into the tournament most years, even if Syracuse is generally a #6-11 seed.

I’m not generally risk averse - I’ve said I will consider the Fran Brown hiring a success no matter how it plays out from here. We needed an outside the box hire with a chance to be a grand slam - part of that is taking on the risk of a guy with a low ceiling. We’ve already seen “high ceiling, low floor” play out in just two years in football (which is frankly astonishing, I can’t think of any other time I’ve seen that).

I don’t think this is the time for Syracuse basketball to be trying to hit a grand slam with a big risk of a strikeout. It’s the time for a high OBP guy who will get us a single. I’ll settle for a walk. A strikeout is probably fatal to the program’s relevance.
Expand...
Ok. You must not have liked Hodgeson either as he only had a “total of 3 years experience”. Not a lot of history to judge (if you are being honest).

There are no guarantees. Floors and ceilings are subjective too.
 
MSOrange said:
Unless you're UNC, then the ceiling is the roof.

www.instagram.com

ACC Network on Instagram: "Nine years ago today, Michael Jordan gave us this iconic speech 🐐"

208K likes, 1,919 comments - accnetwork on March 4, 2026: "Nine years ago today, Michael Jordan gave us this iconic speech 🐐".
www.instagram.com www.instagram.com
Expand...
Michael Jordan Crying GIF
 
xc84 said:
Ok. You must not have liked Hodgeson either as he only had a “total of 3 years experience”. Not a lot of history to judge.

There are no guarantees. Floors and ceilings are subjective too.
Expand...

Wasn’t the biggest fan of BH, would have preferred him over GMac.

Floors and ceilings are a subjective assessment of actual available quantifiable data. There’s very, very, very, very little data to actually justify GMac - it’s all incredibly subjective non-data. How tough he was as a player is irrelevant. That he won as a player is irrelevant. That he would “win the press conference” doesn’t matter. That we might sell more tickets next year doesn’t matter (long term). Hiring Gerry comes down to - he took a decent team in a terrible conference to the NCAAs and played Duke tough. It’s a two game sample size that we’re going to hire a coach on? That’s not ideal. If his name was John Smith and he just took Siena to the NCAAs, and the media announced he was a candidate - this board would be losing its mind with rage. If you’re honest with yourself, wanting him as coach has absolutely, positively NOTHING to do with him as a coach. It’s a purely emotional decision people here are finding ways to rationalize. (One of the ways it’s obvious this is pure emotion is people getting upset at fans not excited about GMac claiming it’s all not wanting to hire a Syracuse guy, or “dumping” on him. It’s irrational stupidity driven by emotion). Very seldom in life do purely emotional decisions that you find ways to rationalize work out well.

If we hire GMac, maybe we’ll get lucky. But that’s what we’re hoping for - luck. And much more than if we hired a candidate with a longer track record of success.
 
OrangeXtreme said:
You're right.

The "Gerry McNamara needs to be the next coach" thread is right next to yours.
Expand...
Oh the humanity!!!!

No "thread efficiency"!!!!!

Lordy, lordy what are we going to do???

Sorry, Extreme - I think the consolidation of threads that has come to pass on the board is needless and prevents readers from getting their thoughts to the rest of the board members.

But, I have never been a board administrator - what the heck do I know?
 
Cusefan95 said:
Wasn’t the biggest fan of BH, would have preferred him over GMac.

Floors and ceilings are a subjective assessment of actual available quantifiable data. There’s very, very, very, very little data to actually justify GMac - it’s all incredibly subjective non-data. How tough he was as a player is irrelevant. That he won as a player is irrelevant. That he would “win the press conference” doesn’t matter. That we might sell more tickets next year doesn’t matter (long term). Hiring Gerry comes down to - he took a decent team in a terrible conference to the NCAAs and played Duke tough. It’s a two game sample size that we’re going to hire a coach on? That’s not ideal. If his name was John Smith and he just took Siena to the NCAAs, and the media announced he was a candidate - this board would be losing its mind with rage. If you’re honest with yourself, wanting him as coach has absolutely, positively NOTHING to do with him as a coach. It’s a purely emotional decision people here are finding ways to rationalize. (One of the ways it’s obvious this is pure emotion is people getting upset at fans not excited about GMac claiming it’s all not wanting to hire a Syracuse guy, or “dumping” on him. It’s irrational stupidity driven by emotion). Very seldom in life do purely emotional decisions that you find ways to rationalize work out well.

If we hire GMac, maybe we’ll get lucky. But that’s what we’re hoping for - luck. And much more than if we hired a candidate with a longer track record of success.
Expand...

One thing in the GM vs BH discussion - despite USF being a better league- Doty I think is a better player at this level than Enis ( especially given his size) and the second guy you would want from either team favors GM too in a super physical guy like Folefac who is still just a freshman. The second player after Enis is hard to figure maybe it’s Hightower or CJ Brown but as for value I think oddly enough you get more with bringing those two from Siena than any combo from USF. Obviously if Nelson and Pinion or even Omajofo had eligibility that would be a different answer.

All that said Martelli would have the most he could bring with him player wise for sure of nearly any of the candidates.
 
Last edited:
Orangezoo said:
One thing in the GM vs BH discussion - despite USF being a better league- Doty I think is a better player at this level than Enis ( especially given his size) and the second guy you would want from either team favors GM too in a super physical guy like Folefac who is still just a freshman. The second player after Enis is hard to figure maybe it’s Hightower or CJ Brown but as for value I think oddly enough you get more with bringing those two from Siena than any combo from USF. Obviously if Nelson and Pinion or even Omajofo had eligibility that would be a different answer.
Expand...

Who paid for Doty’s NIL? How does that booster get along with Syracuse’s biggest and most influential donor? How will GMac and the university navigate that situation?

There’s a whole political component to hiring Gerry that supporters are steadfastly committed to ignoring or pretending doesn’t exist. (I don’t think Doty ending up here if GMac is hired proves all is well, either - I would not put it outside the realm of possibility that Lally works to subtly sabotage GMac over his total hatred of AW).
 
Cusefan95 said:
Who paid for Doty’s NIL? How does that booster get along with Syracuse’s biggest and most influential donor? How will GMac and the university navigate that situation?

There’s a whole political component to hiring Gerry that supporters are steadfastly committed to ignoring or pretending doesn’t exist. (I don’t think Doty ending up here if GMac is hired proves all is well, either - I would not put it outside the realm of possibility that Lally works to subtly sabotage GMac over his total hatred of AW).
Expand...

Something I called out a number of times in terms of what must come with GMac albeit in different terms how I explained it. The politics and money apply no matter what direction we go here.
 
Cusefan95 said:
Who paid for Doty’s NIL? How does that booster get along with Syracuse’s biggest and most influential donor? How will GMac and the university navigate that situation?

There’s a whole political component to hiring Gerry that supporters are steadfastly committed to ignoring or pretending doesn’t exist. (I don’t think Doty ending up here if GMac is hired proves all is well, either - I would not put it outside the realm of possibility that Lally works to subtly sabotage GMac over his total hatred of AW).
Expand...
Ask Etan, I bet he knows. :rolleyes:
 
Orangezoo said:
Something I called out a number of times in terms of what must come with GMac albeit in different terms how I explained it. The politics and money apply no matter what direction we go here.
Expand...

The difference is no other potential hire is tied to AW. GMac brings an exponentially greater degree of political intrigue - it’s a huge concern I have if he’s hired.

GMac supporters seem to think if he’s hired, Lally and AW will hug it out, the skies will open and choirs of angels will sing, and peace and harmony will reign in Syracuse. I’m skeptical.
 

Similar threads

jncuse
    • Like
NCAA Tournament Selection Discussion - Bubble Talk, ACC Teams, #1 Seeds, whatever you want to say
4 5 6
Replies
141
Views
4K
JustPherU
J
Cuse_NYC
    • Like
Autry slamming the table after a Donnie turnover
Replies
0
Views
346
Cuse_NYC
Cuse_NYC
44Wallace
    • Like
Two Recruits Changed Everything in the Northeast
2
Replies
46
Views
3K
Scooch
Scooch
IthacaMatt
    • Like
Which of our guys would we like back next year?
2 3 4
Replies
84
Views
4K
PoppyHart
PoppyHart
L
    • Wow
    • Like
Unreal stat
Replies
5
Views
468
Cuse_NYC
Cuse_NYC

Forum statistics

Threads
174,912
Messages
5,307,649
Members
6,209
Latest member
Baghead2

Online statistics

Members online
387
Guests online
4,643
Total visitors
5,030
Totals may include hidden visitors.


Top Bottom