Southern Pigskin on ND to ACC

[MaxwellCuse]

One guy's view on the end game:

http://www.southernpigskin.com/ACC/view/nd-to-acc-for-football-is-inevitable

So he thinks Notre Dame ends up joining all in with Navy. That's all well and good but what about this:

"Swarbrick's demands should not stop there. He should demand that Syracuse agree to play all its home games versus ND inside the NYC TV market, in either Yankee Stadium or Giants Stadium. It is obvious ND would prefer that and why. But why would it work for Syracuse? Because to reach its football potential, Syracuse must truly become New York's team, and easily the best way to reach that goal is to play a game every year in the NYC TV market with that game every other year being against the Irish."

 

[OrangeinBoston]

One guy's view on the end game:

http://www.southernpigskin.com/ACC/view/nd-to-acc-for-football-is-inevitable

So he thinks Notre Dame ends up joining all in with Navy. That's all well and good but what about this:

"Swarbrick's demands should not stop there. He should demand that Syracuse agree to play all its home games versus ND inside the NYC TV market, in either Yankee Stadium or Giants Stadium. It is obvious ND would prefer that and why. But why would it work for Syracuse? Because to reach its football potential, Syracuse must truly become New York's team, and easily the best way to reach that goal is to play a game every year in the NYC TV market with that game every other year being against the Irish."

Not at all an unreasonable argument.

 

[elimunelson]

Everything sounds reasonable except their non Florida strategy. I would think UM and/or FSU would make more sense than Duke as the crossover game. Do we know how much more money ND brings to football if they join the conference? Scooch? is the amt soooo much that any NYC/Cuse demand would be easily explained by the millions we reap from the deal.

 

[Noexcuse]

Make SU-ND an annual NYC game for both teams (ie, we don't travel to South Bend either. ACC goes to 8 Conference games (4 home, 3 away, 1 NYC, or 3 home, 4 away, 1 NYC) and that leaves 4 more slots for SU to schedule in the Dome.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

One guy's view on the end game:

http://www.southernpigskin.com/ACC/view/nd-to-acc-for-football-is-inevitable

So he thinks Notre Dame ends up joining all in with Navy. That's all well and good but what about this:

"Swarbrick's demands should not stop there. He should demand that Syracuse agree to play all its home games versus ND inside the NYC TV market, in either Yankee Stadium or Giants Stadium. It is obvious ND would prefer that and why. But why would it work for Syracuse? Because to reach its football potential, Syracuse must truly become New York's team, and easily the best way to reach that goal is to play a game every year in the NYC TV market with that game every other year being against the Irish."

Dumb We can't become NYC's college FB team by playing NYC's college team in NYC every other year.

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[Cheriehoop]

ONLY if ND agrees to play their home games against SU in NYC also. Otherwise dumb and we look like a groveling lower tier program and that perception will stay regardless of the program's progress.

 

[sutomcat]

One guy's view on the end game:

http://www.southernpigskin.com/ACC/view/nd-to-acc-for-football-is-inevitable

So he thinks Notre Dame ends up joining all in with Navy. That's all well and good but what about this:

"Swarbrick's demands should not stop there. He should demand that Syracuse agree to play all its home games versus ND inside the NYC TV market, in either Yankee Stadium or Giants Stadium. It is obvious ND would prefer that and why. But why would it work for Syracuse? Because to reach its football potential, Syracuse must truly become New York's team, and easily the best way to reach that goal is to play a game every year in the NYC TV market with that game every other year being against the Irish."

Syracuse should NEVER play Notre Dame in a 'home' conference game in the NYC area. If they agree to do this, the AD should be fired on the spot.

That would brand Syracuse as a second class school from the start and give Notre Dame a huge competitive advantage over us. We would never have home field advantage over a conference rival. It is a ridiculous idea. It is completely and totally unacceptable.

The same applies to moving home conference basketball games to NYC venues.

The athletic department is now in a position where financial security is assured.
The goal now should be to win games and make the athletic programs as successful on the field as possible. I am fine with doing 1-1-1 series with major schools in football. I am fine playing preseason basketball tournaments in MSG and perhaps an occasional OOC basketball matchup in the NYC area.

But there should be no home conference games in the NYC area. For any sport. Ever. Period.

 

[MikeSU02]

Syracuse should NEVER play Notre Dame in a 'home' conference game in the NYC area. If they agree to do this, the AD should be fired on the spot.

That would brand Syracuse as a second class school from the start and give Notre Dame a huge competitive advantage over us. We would never have home field advantage over a conference rival. It is a ridiculous idea. It is completely and totally unacceptable.

The same applies to moving home conference basketball games to NYC venues.

The athletic department is now in a position where financial security is assured.
The goal now should be to win games and make the athletic programs as successful on the field as possible. I am fine with doing 1-1-1 series with major schools in football. I am fine playing preseason basketball tournaments in MSG and perhaps an occasional OOC basketball matchup in the NYC area.

But there should be no home conference games in the NYC area. For any sport. Ever. Period.

100% agreed.

This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And, as you said, if we agree to this, TGD should be fired.

Everyone here can be happy they see that billboard in Yankee Stadium and crow about how awesome it is. But let's make sure SU is SYRACUSE'S team before it tries (and fails) to be NYC's team.

 

[orange79]

Syracuse should NEVER play Notre Dame in a 'home' conference game in the NYC area. If they agree to do this, the AD should be fired on the spot.

That would brand Syracuse as a second class school from the start and give Notre Dame a huge competitive advantage over us. We would never have home field advantage over a conference rival. It is a ridiculous idea. It is completely and totally unacceptable.

The same applies to moving home conference basketball games to NYC venues.

The athletic department is now in a position where financial security is assured.
The goal now should be to win games and make the athletic programs as successful on the field as possible. I am fine with doing 1-1-1 series with major schools in football. I am fine playing preseason basketball tournaments in MSG and perhaps an occasional OOC basketball matchup in the NYC area.

But there should be no home conference games in the NYC area. For any sport. Ever. Period.

I agree with you, totally. My fear is that, as an all-in but brand new member of the ACC, the pressure to accept this deal (and remember, this is a blogger blue-skying this, not Swofford and Swarbrick) might be enormous. Could we deal with the onus of being the school that wouldn't capitulate and scuttled the deal for ND to join a conference? We'd be real popular.

Not at all saying this would happen, but just following the line of reasoning set forth in the article.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

whatever works, brings the most money in and allows to build competitive facilities as well as recruit NYC market even better. Another reason to keep Marrone. Issue being it will allow ND to cherry pick top talent from that area but that happens everywhere and we ain't going to win head to head battles with ND all that often. Just won't. . If I am going to continue to donate, I want to know that Syracuse football is doing everything possible to generate revenue, build solid facilities, pay coaches and put a winner on the field because when that happens the casual fan will be built, not the old curmudgeons that will never come back. Syracuse needs to generate interest and build a new fanbase because the old fansbase has either moved, died, or has their panties in a bunch over dumb stuff. So to me the best answer is do whatever it takes to bring in more money and build a winner. Fans who are bitching and have left will never come back because thy are hung up on dumb that happended 15 years ago. Grumpy CNY locals and an aging fanbase, same people who bitch that they can't find a job, traffic, weather, taxes, etc etc

 

[rrlbees]

Stupid is as stupid does.

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[Whitey23]

Navy?

 

[rrlbees]

Syracuse should NEVER play Notre Dame in a 'home' conference game in the NYC area. If they agree to do this, the AD should be fired on the spot.

That would brand Syracuse as a second class school from the start and give Notre Dame a huge competitive advantage over us. We would never have home field advantage over a conference rival. It is a ridiculous idea. It is completely and totally unacceptable.

The same applies to moving home conference basketball games to NYC venues.

The athletic department is now in a position where financial security is assured.
The goal now should be to win games and make the athletic programs as successful on the field as possible. I am fine with doing 1-1-1 series with major schools in football. I am fine playing preseason basketball tournaments in MSG and perhaps an occasional OOC basketball matchup in the NYC area.

But there should be no home conference games in the NYC area. For any sport. Ever. Period.

You are a smart man Mr. Tom.

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[TheOrangeBuddha]

Question: Do you (Tomcat, Bees & Whomever) have a problem with an "OU/Texas" type match-up between Syracuse and Notre Dame to be played annually in the NYC area? Thereby the game is always at a "neutral" site (quotation marks because there will almost always be more ND fans than SU fans) and never at either university's home stadium.

I think I'm okay with that, but would have to think it through in a bit more detail ...

But if the deal was SU home game in NYC area and ND gets an on-campus home game ... screw that and fire whomever put pen to paper to allow it.

 

[TexanMark]

ONLY if ND agrees to play their home ganes against SU in NYC also. Otherwise dumb and we look a groveling lower tier program and that perception will stay regardless of the program's progress.

Yes...if Notre Dame comes in as a full member...I would have no problem making it an annual game at MetLife ala The FL/UGA game in JAX. Both schools give up their home games. Each school has 40k tix to sell. This would capture NY's interest.

If we can't sell 30k of the 40k worth of tix in few years being in the ACC we should just give up...you have to think big. This game would grow in stature.

 

[alphaorange]

Question: Do you (Tomcat, Bees & Whomever) have a problem with an "OU/Texas" type match-up between Syracuse and Notre Dame to be played annually in the NYC area? Thereby the game is always at a "neutral" site (quotation marks because there will almost always be more ND fans than SU fans) and never at either university's home stadium.

I think I'm okay with that, but would have to think it through in a bit more detail ...

But if the deal was SU home game in NYC area and ND gets an on-campus home game ... screw that and fire whomever put pen to paper to allow it.

It would always be a road game. Home conference games should always be played at home. I'm fine with the 1-1-1.

 

[kingottoiii]

Everyone here can be happy they see that billboard in Yankee Stadium and crow about how awesome it is. But let's make sure SU is SYRACUSE'S team before it tries (and fails) to be NYC's team.

Why should it be Syracuse's team first? It is a private school not a public school. CNYers can't have it both ways. SU is private when it fits their argument but SU should act like a public school when it benefits CNYers. More selfishness and entitlement attitudes. Great.

SU should do what is best for the school and the FB program. If that means moving every game to MetLife then that is what they should do.

 

[MikeSU02]

Yes...if Notre Dame comes in as a full member...I would have no problem making it an annual game at MetLife ala The FL/UGA game in JAX. Both schools give up their home games. Each school has 40k tix to sell. This would capture NY's interest.

If we can't sell 30k of the 40k worth of tix in few years being in the ACC we should just give up...you have to think big. This game would grow in stature.

We will never, ever, do better than a 2:1 disadvantage of fans in NYC against ND. UGA/FL and UT/OU are terrible comparisons. Both fanbases can fill any venue.

And I don't know how to put this any more bluntly, but college football will never be the game in town while there is pro football, pro baseball, etc.

Thinking big is improving Syracuse as Syracuse's team. Trying to pull in a market that doesn't care about college football...especially SU football, is never going to work. You can't be thinking big when you can't fill your own stadium at home.

 

[MikeSU02]

Why should it be Syracuse's team first? It is a private school not a public school. CNYers can't have it both ways. SU is private when it fits their argument but SU should act like a public school when it benefits CNYers. More selfishness and entitlement attitudes. Great.

SU should do what is best for the school and the FB program. If that means moving every game to MetLife then that is what they should do.

No one coming to home games is what will happen. Congrats, maybe we can just become a traveling circus.

SU will never win over the NYC market. It's not a college football market and it definitely isn't a college football market for a team like ours (even in our best years).

 

[kingottoiii]

Yes...if Notre Dame comes in as a full member...I would have no problem making it an annual game at MetLife ala The FL/UGA game in JAX. Both schools give up their home games. Each school has 40k tix to sell. This would capture NY's interest.

If we can't sell 30k of the 40k worth of tix in few years being in the ACC we should just give up...you have to think big. This game would grow in stature.

This is really what should be done. We need to look at the big picture hear. If doing something like this is required to get ND into the ACC as a full member, you absolutely do it. Having ND in the ACC is better than not having them in the ACC. It would be a huge benefit to SU. Turning that down would be silly and selfish.

 

[kingottoiii]

No one coming to home games is what will happen. Congrats, maybe we can just become a traveling circus.

SU will never win over the NYC market. It's not a college football market and it definitely isn't a college football market for a team like ours (even in our best years).

SU will never win over the CNY market it is not a college football market. So follow the $. No one is coming to home games in the Dome anyway so where is the risk? And again if CNYers really cared about SU FB and not themselves they would still go for the good of the program. Issue is CNYers are selfish and only care about their own good. Even the "good" fans.

 

[sendithome]

I see issues of competitive integrity with this proposal. Notre Dame increases the likelihood of a division championship by playing a neutral site game over road against an inferior opponent (Duke) and basically a neutral site game against SU over a road game. That's one less road game every year.
If Syracuse chooses to play Notre Dame in NYC, it is the school's choice but should not be mandated. Notre Dame could propose a Charlotte site for a Duke game but it should be Duke's decision.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Why should it be Syracuse's team first? It is a private school not a public school. CNYers can't have it both ways. SU is private when it fits their argument but SU should act like a public school when it benefits CNYers. More selfishness and entitlement attitudes. Great.

SU should do what is best for the school and the FB program. If that means moving every game to MetLife then that is what they should do.

Agree 100%, most CNY'ers are idiots when it comes to their outlook on Syracuse sports and what it takes to be competitive for a private school in todays market. I agree either do what it takes to generate the revenue required to build a winner or drop it. CNY CURMUDEGONS and their negative BS attitude on everything. I hope Syracuse University athletics does what is best for Syracuse athletics and it appears that they will. The people of Syracuse don't deserve a 1A BCS football program, I am sorry they just don't. I would move all games if it makes sense financially for the University. I may miss a couple but like I said, if I am going to donate I want to know the University is doing everything they can to be competitive and if that means moving more games than so be it. The dome fans are the some of the worst in college football, The people of Syracuse don't deserve a 1a football program.

 

[MikeSU02]

SU will never win over the CNY market it is not a college football market. So follow the $. No one is coming to home games in the Dome anyway so where is the risk? And again if CNYers really cared about SU FB and not themselves they would still go for the good of the program. Issue is CNYers are selfish and only care about their own good. Even the "good" fans.

You are moving from a market where you have the benefit of proximity and history to a market where you have zero chance of being in the top three in college football draw for a sport, college football, that is at the bottom of the totem poll for sports interest for the city.

Have you ever lived in NYC?

SU football is about the 876th game in town.

 

[adk(roc)CUSE]

Why not just move the university to NYC? If they start moving Duke/UNC basketball games to NYC people are going to be really pissed

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