Southern Pigskin on ND to ACC

[kirbivore]

Syracuse should NEVER play Notre Dame in a 'home' conference game in the NYC area. If they agree to do this, the AD should be fired on the spot.

That would brand Syracuse as a second class school from the start and give Notre Dame a huge competitive advantage over us. We would never have home field advantage over a conference rival. It is a ridiculous idea. It is completely and totally unacceptable.

The same applies to moving home conference basketball games to NYC venues.

The athletic department is now in a position where financial security is assured.
The goal now should be to win games and make the athletic programs as successful on the field as possible. I am fine with doing 1-1-1 series with major schools in football. I am fine playing preseason basketball tournaments in MSG and perhaps an occasional OOC basketball matchup in the NYC area.

But there should be no home conference games in the NYC area. For any sport. Ever. Period.

I think Gross is waiting for JB to retire to move ACC home games to MSG. Maybe it won't be Duke/UNC, but I wouldn't be shocked to see SU play GT or NC St. at MSG.

 

[Moontan]

With only 2 games every 6 years, it's kind of hard to do a 1-1-1. Either go H-H or all-neutral... I'd prefer the former.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

I think Gross is waiting for JB to retire to move ACC home games to MSG. Maybe it won't be Duke/UNC, but I wouldn't be shocked to see SU play GT or NC St. at MSG.

I think you are partially right, but it will be Duke and UNC at MSG

 

[rrlbees]

The alumni turn out pretty amazingly for hoops.

Being in the top 25 for most of three decades has that affect I suppose.

Yes they do for the "events". But at no point in time has the alumni support at football games been that good. Even the football alumni have bern pretty useless. It was a great move bringing in Floyd. Hopefully he can start influencing that last point.

The Dome attendance issue is far from a locals issue. It is also alumni and students. Nobody supports it. So the Dome can be moved and after the novelty wears off, alumni still wont support it.

The few screaming for all the games to be moved because CNY doesn't deserve a team, are not part of the solution, so they are part of the problem.

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[rrlbees]

I think you are partially right, but it will be Duke and UNC at MSG

And you'll be laughing claiming it is a great decision.

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[IthacaBarrel]

And you'll be laughing claiming it is a great decision.

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Yes I will...Think it would be great

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Yes they do for the "events". But at no point in time has the alumni support at football games been that good. Even the football alumni have bern pretty useless. It was a great move bringing in Floyd. Hopefully he can start influencing that last point.

The Dome attendance issue is far from a locals issue. It is also alumni and students. Nobody supports it. So the Dome can be moved and after the novelty wears off, alumni still wont support it.

The few screaming for all the games to be moved because CNY doesn't deserve a team, are not part of the solution, so they are part of the problem.

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Yeah you are right Bees, my 4 seasons, (2 preferred seasons) and donation to the Ernie Davis Club are part of the problem. I will go to 7-8 games this year and I missed the NW game... Yep, I am part of the problem. Local Syracuse people are every bit the bulk of the problem

 

[kingottoiii]

Sure.

And they'll never win over the alumni either.

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But they don't have to win over the alumni to make money. That is the point. It isn't about # of fans but # of $.

BTW your bashing of students is absurd. From a % of student body we do pretty well for FB. When you have under 15k undergrad you cannot expect 10k in the Dome. That is just silly. Even 5k would be over 33% of the students. No school does that.

 

[longtimefan]

I think Gross is waiting for JB to retire to move ACC home games to MSG. Maybe it won't be Duke/UNC, but I wouldn't be shocked to see SU play GT or NC St. at MSG.

Then, maybe JB should just out-wait the Doctor.

 

[riskylogic]

You guys argue about the silliest things.

Why would half the ACC agree to never play ND?

Yeah, ND joining full-time would increase the league's media payout-per-team, but we're talking about the Presidents, ADs, BOTs, and fanbases of FSU, Clemson, VaTech, etc. having to agree to never playing them. Can you see that?

Silly scenario, ain't happening.

No, but that problem could solved with 4-team pods, and forming divisions by rotating through the possible combination of pod permutations every three years. Add a few cross divisional games to fill out the ESPN inventory. That way everyone plays each other at least once every three years, and three other teams every year.

There is a discussion on the Duke scout board on the Southern Pigskin proposal. Mixed sentiments there too. If nothing else, it seems that between Syracuse, Duke, Wake, and maybe Navy that ND could probably wangle an annual game in New York that doesn't cost them a home date.

 

[GoSU96]

This won't work. ND would still end up with an advantage.

ND fans would just buy up part of SU's allotment on the secondary market. Heck, I know USC fans that purchased SU season tickets just to get first crack at tickets for the USC / SU game.

We are not on even footing with ND as a football program. It's not like UGA/FL or UT/OU.

I guess that's up to the people that buy the tickets and decide to sell them.

 

[GoSU96]

Local fan base isn't loyal and doesn't support the program. Who cares if you alienate them. Local dollars simply are not there to support the program. If they were then we wouldn't be looking elsewhere.

It won't be a road game. Our opponents will not bring enough people to do so. It certainly won't be a home game though.

Players rather play in a half full, state of the art NFL facility where the Giants and Jets play. And happens to be a lot easier for family and friends to come see them play. That is a lot better than playing in a Dome in the middle of nowhere that is 80% full.

A blip on the radar in NYC/NJ is better than being the only game in town in CNY. That is what you need to compare. If the Redbull have a bigger fanbase it doesn't matter. IMO there are quite a few people in NJ who would go to SU games for the sake of seeing CFB or simply tailgating. Heck I know some who do so with Rutgers. They don't give a rat's ass about RU but go for the fun of it. There are plenty of "fans" we can get from them, especially since we are in a big boy league. Not to mention the alumni from Boston to DC would be a lot more likely to go to games. IMO if we moved all games to MetLife and are mediocre than we can get 20k SU fans per game and average close to 40k per game. That sucks but it is still better than getting close to 40k in the Dome.

Just stop it. You've gone completely off the rails spewing nonsense.

You are out of your mind.

 

[GoSU96]

I'm fine with a 1-1-1 but don't want to play an annual neutral game in NYC with ND. There's no sense in giving any kind of additional recruiting leverage to ND in the NYC area. 1-1-1 provides more benefit to Syracuse from a recruiting perspective while also giving them the best chance for a home field advantage (whenever we actually get a consistent home field advantage again).

Yeah, because being seen on an equal footing with ND in an annual neutral site game in NYC area makes harms SU. If anything it would boost SU's prestige.

 

[rrlbees]

Yeah you are right Bees, my 4 seasons, (2 preferred seasons) and donation to the Ernie Davis Club are part of the problem. I will go to 7-8 games this year and I missed the NW game... Yep, I am part of the problem. Local Syracuse people are every bit the bulk of the problem

And my 6 seasons, all preferred, and donation to the Ernie Davis Club are part of the problem.

So what's your point?

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[alphaorange]

And my 6 seasons, all preferred, and donation to the Ernie Davis Club are part of the problem.

So what's your point?

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I think IB's statement was hilariously dim. Insinuating that he is a typical out of town alumnus is as ridiculous as assuming you are a typical local fan. I get your sarcasm Bees, but IB is out there on this...

 

[rrlbees]

I think IB's statement was hilariously dim. Insinuating that he is a typical out of town alumnus is as ridiculous as assuming you are a typical local fan. I get your sarcasm Bees, but IB is out there on this...

Unless he moved (he may have), he is CNY. So when he blasts CNY, he blasts himself.

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[ImperialOrange]

I think if SU wins games, you will more alumni at Met Life and more fans in the dome, I certainly have no issue with an even split 3-3 or something. I just don't think Syracuse deserves a 1A BCS program anymore, do what it takes or scrap it. May be better off for everyone

IF SU fields a more competitive team (more wins) AND plays a regional rival like PSU or ND then Met Life games will have a better turn out. The fans will then show up to root against the opposing team as well as for their perspective team.

I'm not how many people in the NE could get themselves too worked up to spend decent money on SU tickets to see them play against USC who was probably going to win (possibly in a very one sided game) and they had no real interest in rooting against.

Playing ND (who we've beaten pretty often) and post sanctions PSU gives SU fans a chance to actually go see an SU victory.

 

[rrlbees]

But they don't have to win over the alumni to make money. That is the point. It isn't about # of fans but # of $.

BTW your bashing of students is absurd. From a % of student body we do pretty well for FB. When you have under 15k undergrad you cannot expect 10k in the Dome. That is just silly. Even 5k would be over 33% of the students. No school does that.

We do squadoosh from a student standpoint. You're blowing smoke that we do well. I've been there forever, I can see what the support is and has been with some rare exceptions just like any other part of the fanbase. They are no different or better than the other segments.

Go watch the 4th quarter SB clip panning the lower level on the SU side. The donor/parent sections? 50% full at best. Sad. The student sections? 10% full. They had already booked.

There was a time the students didn't fully support the bball program either. That's why their seats got moved. It was an embarrassment to see those empty court side sections all game long unless it was GTown. That worm started to turn when JB made a brilliant move and went into the dorms and met with students. It's been a love affair since and a strong student connection to the program has been great.

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[Shrmdougluvr]

Navy?

 

[Jeepers]

I'm skeptical whenever someone with an idea mentions adding teams like Navy. Just doesn't add up.

Re: Tickets. I think you could just split the tickets 50/50 to each school. If you don't sell your allotment, you pool them back into some ticketing service for the other school to buy up. If the numbers are lopsided, at least everyone is still happy with the sellout.

Hypothetically, let's say the rest of the ACC was okay with the idea of having an ACC Kickoff Classic at Met Life every year. Hosted by SU, every year. Ticket is included in season tickets, and priority is given to season ticket holders. Not necessarily vs. ND, but always someone in the upper tier. Would CNYs be okay with that?

 

[riskylogic]

Navy is the answer to the following question:

If ND could bring anyone they wanted into the ACC with them, who would it be?

 

[GoSU96]

Navy is the answer to the following question:

If ND could bring anyone they wanted into the ACC with them, who would it be?

No it's not.

UT.

 

[omniorange]

:bang:

We will never play a conference home basketball game at MSG not only because we could get 30k plus at the Dome for those better games but also because there will be 13 other games outside of the ACC conference games that we can schedule at MSG.

In football, with 9 of 12 games being conference games and 1 of 12 games being against an FCS team that only leaves 2 OOC games to schedule home and homes series with to allow for one game at MetLife every other year. And scheduling OOC games as it is in college football is a nightmare, especially since the bulk of them fall in the month of September when college football fever is at its lowest ebb.

If we are truly going to continue with the NYC football experiment (and I'm not sure we will, but if we do), ND or an ACC conference game will have to remain a viable option in some (but not all) of those every other year commitment.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[MikeSU02]

I guess that's up to the people that buy the tickets and decide to sell them.

Obviously.

But do you agree with my statement? That we would be, more than likely, at a 2:1 disadvantage due to the secondary market sales?

I know you wouldn't, I wouldn't and most people on this board wouldn't sell their tix to a ND fan, but if we are being honest, this will happen.

 

[SmilinBob]

Navy is the answer to the following question:

If ND could bring anyone they wanted into the ACC with them, who would it be?

My feelings about Navy is would Maryland allow this? If BC can put the no to UConn I'd have to think Maryland would do the same regarding Navy.