Syracuse 61st in 4yr Recruiting Rankings

[CuseOnly]

So really if you wanted to use these rankings and say that our recruiting hasn't really changed in 15 years, that would be a tough argument to poke holes in no? It seemed to me that GROB always brought in a few really good guys but the bottom half always tailed off, seems we are stronger from top to bottom but who knows anymore. I always say people waiting for even a top. 20 class at Syracuse will be waiting a long long time, ain't happening

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I always thought Gerg brought in a couple of really good recruits at the top which skewed the rankings but the rest of his classes were not very good.

With Marrone and Shafer I think all of the kids are quality and can play at the D1 level and with a work ethic could excel. Gerg's mid and lower recruits were undersized with no speed and weren't D1 level recruits IMO.

 

[TheCusian]

I agree with this wholeheartedly. I always thought Gerg brought in a couple of really good recruits at the top which skewed the rankings but the rest of his classes were not very good. With Marrone and Shafer I think all of the kids are quality and can play at the D1 level and with a work ethic could excel. Gerg's mid and lower recruits were undersized with no speed and weren't D1 level recruits IMO.

Yeah - if we landed one 4 star, ESPN 300 guy this class we'd have moved ahead of 5-6 programs. And I'd love to have a bunch of those guys every class - but sometimes it skews things too much.

Plus - as the board parents have suggested - the big camps put on are a crock.

 

[TBCuse11]

Give Washington 44. Need to get one elite kid to draw the attention of others to SU...either that or this staff is going to have to do better with development and game day plans/adjustments if we want to move up in the ACC.

This is the key to the future. Simple but right in front of us. If giving out #44 to this kid can start us on a path to top 25 again... do it.

And it will do just that.

 

[SU2NASA]

This was exactly my point with the OP. We tend to overrate our classes, just because we become so familiar with them.

I wish I could like this post at least 10 more times.

The other problem I see is, people are focusing on the total FBS recruiting rankings and comparing year-to-year. The problem with that is, our competition is better.

For however much we've improved in our recruiting, our competition has gotten better even moreso.

 

[TheCusian]

I wish I could like this post at least 10 more times. The other problem I see is, people are focusing on the total FBS recruiting rankings and comparing year-to-year. The problem with that is, our competition is better. For however much we've improved in our recruiting, our competition has gotten better even moreso.

I get that perspective - but moving up is always good - even if our conference is moving up at the same time.

 

[longtimefan]

I wish I could like this post at least 10 more times.

The other problem I see is, people are focusing on the total FBS recruiting rankings and comparing year-to-year. The problem with that is, our competition is better.

For however much we've improved in our recruiting, our competition has gotten better even moreso.

I doubt that the evaluations of the other ACC classes are any more accurate than ours. The likely exceptions being FSU and Clemson, who are head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league, including Miami. (And if you want to see some real bitching about recruiting, just go to the Hurricanes' board.)

 

[Full_Rebar]

Miami fans should be bitching. They used to be part of that annual Top 10 recruiting list.

 

[SU2NASA]

I doubt that the evaluations of the other ACC classes are any more accurate than ours. The likely exceptions being FSU and Clemson, who are head-and-shoulders above the rest of the league, including Miami. (And if you want to see some real bitching about recruiting, just go to the Hurricanes' board.)

What do you think the ceiling is for recruiting at the level of this class for 4 years? 6-6? 7-5?

The problem is, we're arguably the lowest of our division, and at-best competing for 4th out of 7. FSU and Clemson are going to out-recruit us, fine. But we're not even in the ballpark of being competitive, and I think we should be at a Louisville level, and we're not even close.

To me, 7-5 is probably our ceiling, and 5-7 on average. 3-1 in the non-conference, 2-5 in-conference. The fact that we over-schedule certainly doesn't help.

 

[javadoc]

What do you think the ceiling is for recruiting at the level of this class for 4 years? 6-6? 7-5?

The problem is, we're arguably the lowest of our division, and at-best competing for 4th out of 7. FSU and Clemson are going to out-recruit us, fine. But we're not even in the ballpark of being competitive, and I think we should be at a Louisville level, and we're not even close.

To me, 7-5 is probably our ceiling, and 5-7 on average. 3-1 in the non-conference, 2-5 in-conference.

With a class like this year's, I would say 7-5 is average and 9-3 is the ceiling. That assumes sane OOC scheduling.

 

[TheCusian]

What do you think the ceiling is for recruiting at the level of this class for 4 years? 6-6? 7-5? The problem is, we're arguably the lowest of our division, and at-best competing for 4th out of 7. FSU and Clemson are going to out-recruit us, fine. But we're not even in the ballpark of being competitive, and I think we should be at a Louisville level, and we're not even close. To me, 7-5 is probably our ceiling, and 5-7 on average. 3-1 in the non-conference, 2-5 in-conference. The fact that we over-schedule certainly doesn't help.

You're giving the teams just ahead of us too much credit. There is not that much difference between #50 and #40. There is white noise in there.

I'd say if we go with one elite OOC game (a probable loss) 3-1 is very likely. Then I say .500 on average in conference... 2-5 is off the mark.

 

[SU2NASA]

With a class like this year's, I would say 7-5 is average and 9-3 is the ceiling. That assumes sane OOC scheduling.

I hope you're right.

 

[javadoc]

I hope you're right.

Me too! Think the coaches need to grow into the job a bit as well.

 

[SU2NASA]

Me too! Think the coaches need to grow into the job a bit as well.

I think they need to hire a Logic Coordinator to help them with not doing horrible game management.

 

[leftytg]

I think they need to hire a Logic Coordinator to help them with not doing horrible game management.

you speak as if you are a man who objects to punting from the opponent's 30 yard line in the 4th quarter down multiple scores. I mean, any time you have the opportunity to give up the ball and let your defense try to score for you, well, you just gotta take it. Logic.

 

[ImperialOrange]

Would be neat if the recruiting services went back and readjusted rankings for players that don't make it. KJ Williams was a big commit last year that we may never see suit up for us. Andrey Baskin inflated 2 of Grobs classes, as well as a stud lb that had heart issues and had to hang them up who's name escapes me. For ranking clarity recruiting grades should be revised in August when non qualifiers are known.

 

[OrangeFoo]

I just am waiting for the year when we are not saying things like our skill players are too slow away from man coverage or we don't scare anyone do they play man and stack the box, etc... for all of Ishmael's or West's strengths they were too slow to get separation so we needed to get them a perfect pass or they needed a spectacular catch to get more than a 10 yard play. To make it worse we can't even scheme guys open.

What is frustrating is that non p6 teams we we play all have a few fast receivers and accurate qbs so who can get them the ball. Why can't we?

 

[ImperialOrange]

I just am waiting for the year when we are not saying things like our skill players are too slow away from man coverage or we don't scare anyone do they play man and stack the box, etc... for all of Ishmael's or West's strengths they were too slow to get separation so we needed to get them a perfect pass or they needed a spectacular catch to get more than a 10 yard play. To make it worse we can't even scheme guys open.

What is frustrating is that non p6 teams we we play all have a few fast receivers and accurate qbs so who can get them the ball. Why can't we?

We have the biggest Issue getting highly rated wr's on campus. Williams last year, davis, streeter, and baskin before him. Even still, I feel drops are the biggest thing that have plagued the wr's we do get here and hurts the qb as result. The last two we had that were dependable were Lemon, and Sales.