Syracuse Michigan Matchup

[KingOtis]

You could but I don't know what they would have to do with playing the 2012-2013 Michigan team in the final four.

It's funny you should say that, because I was just about to comment about how your posts are starting to amuse me. For example:

If a team knows what they are doing the corner will be open multiple times.

One of my favorite plays against a 2-3 ends up with a guy open in the corner who can either shoot it or pass to the player sealing on the block.

I am pretty sure he know it and even better ones.

You're not playing against a run-of-the-mill zone. Your boys had enough problems with that the three times they faced Penn State. And it's not like you and/or John Beilein cracked a top-secret code that no one else figured out. We can talk about strategy and favorite plays until we're blue in the face, but it all comes down to execution. In theory, every pass will be perfect, every shot on the mark. In reality...well, we'll see what happens Saturday night.

 

[DeGrozz]

Well you know more than Tom Crean, Kevin Willard, Ed Cooley, Mike Rice, Mick Cronin, Mike Brey and Mike Montgomery then.

So kudos to you, sir.

I would guess a few people on this board know a little more about basketball than Tom Crean.

Unfortunately, that's only a semi-joke.

 

[ImperialOrange]

You could but I don't know what they would have to do with playing the 2012-2013 Michigan team in the final four.

Assuming Burke is your fastest player but who are your most athletic, jump out of the gym hops type players?

 

[Michigantown]

Here is the best take on how Michigan will play the 2-3.
http://www.umhoops.com/2013/04/02/first-take-syracuse/

 

[RF2044]

I hope we slaughter you--can't stand U of M.

Screw blue.

 

[bnoro]

Here is the best take on how Michigan will play the 2-3.
http://www.umhoops.com/2013/04/02/first-take-syracuse/

yep good luck with ball screens and driving. if you watched the first four games we played it simply didn't happen.

 

[DNABB5]

Here is the best take on how Michigan will play the 2-3.
http://www.umhoops.com/2013/04/02/first-take-syracuse/

Interesting comparison to TJ Ford. As I recall he has like 12 A in that game. Then again, Gerry McNamara is 6'1".

I do think the comparison is apt in respect to I t feel this will actually be a higher scoring game than anticipated.

Like 70s maybe low 80s game of runs with trading baskets and stops no more than 3 possession point lead. Remember Texas had a 3 point lead in the second half, and it was not until the now famous iphone case play that Syracuse took a 6 point lead and they had it back to 5.
10:10 Gerry McNamara missed Three Point Jumper.

66-62​

10:10 Hakim Warrick Offensive Rebound.

66-62​

10:06 Foul on Hakim Warrick

66-62​

10:06 Hakim Warrick made Two Point Dunk Shot.

68-62​

Where I think Syracuse has to win this game is with offense. Absolutely need Dirty to be on. I mean, law of averages, someone is gonna start nailing them 27 foot banks shots, (with 01 on the shot clock) right?

 

[kuethstheman]

One of my favorite plays against a 2-3 ends up with a guy open in the corner who can either shoot it or pass to the player sealing on the block.

With the forwards having to seal McGary, this will be open if the shooter moves a lot and Is able to sneak to the corner when the forwards are distracted.

 

[TheCusian]

Here is the best take on how Michigan will play the 2-3.
http://www.umhoops.com/2013/04/02/first-take-syracuse/

Easier said than done. I haven't seen a lot of ball screens be all that effective.

The best part of the article was at the end when it said you guys match up pretty well defensively. I think there are mis-matches all over the court. Our guards, if they play like they have been, should be able to get any shot they want. They sometimes go cold - so that's more of a concern than the actual match ups. I think our fwds present the real issue. It will be interesting to see who they put on CJ.

 

[jordoo]

That Texas game in 03 we won on offense no doubt about it. Mouton was lights our from 3 if I recall but Melo was well Melo they had no one who could guard him. This team is much better out top defensively than that team was and the zone really has evolved quite a bit since then especially with pushing out and in game adjustments.

 

[jdubs30]

Here is the best take on how Michigan will play the 2-3.
http://www.umhoops.com/2013/04/02/first-take-syracuse/

So Hardaway at the highpost, with GR3 at the short corner?

"The key might be Hardaway drawing in the defense in the high post and kicking the ball out to Burke and Stauskas, who both love to shoot against the zone. Getting the ball into Hardaway and then back out to the shooters on the outside will eventually force ‘Cuse defenders out of position."

If Hardaway gets the ball at the high post, you will not MCW, Triche, Fair or Southerland collapse, like the blogger is assuming. I think they'll give Hardaway that shot 2 or 3 times, then if he makes it they'll adjust, most likely with Christmas or Keita meeeting him at the catch. If GRob or McGary are ready to cut to the rim if Christmas goes to Hardaway, Fair and SOutherland have shown tremendous ability to break up that pass.

Also, if you've watched our zone, it's not as easy as "getting it to the high post" when you have a 6'0 PG trying to pass it to a 6'6 guy who's standing behind a guy who's 6'4 and a guy who's 6'6 it can be VERY difficult. There's a reason that sometimes teams use their big men there (Dieng, Gardner) because it's really hard to get the abll there to someone as tall as our PG. Watch the GTown game in the BET, Porter could never get the ball there.

 

[jdubs30]

Easier said than done. I haven't seen a lot of ball screens be all that effective.

The best part of the article was at the end when it said you guys match up pretty well defensively. I think there are mis-matches all over the court. Our guards, if they play like they have been, should be able to get any shot they want. They sometimes go cold - so that's more of a concern than the actual match ups. I think our fwds present the real issue. It will be interesting to see who they put on CJ.

He doesn't even say they match up well either, he just says they do. Honestly, Indiana might have matched up better defensively with us, mianly because of Watford and VO.

 

[Van111]

I started watching the replay of you guys vs Indiana and Cream got outcoached. There were too many times that Zeller got the ball in the middle and everyone else just stood there.

JB has outcoached many, it happens when you have 920 wins under your belt...

 

[KingOtis]

Fraschilla loses some credibility here:

"Keep in mind, Auburn put an athletic Marquis Daniels in the middle to catch and create, and it nearly got the Tigers past the ‘Cuse in the Sweet 16."

That game was never in doubt. Auburn hit a bunch of threes late and made it look a lot closer than it actually was. Our only real scare came against Oklahoma St.

 

[CuseCrew08]

I think if the good Syracuse shows up we score at will. They will put Stauskas on Southerland because Stauskas can't guard Fair. I see us running him over a bunch of picks trying to get JS open or catch Nik sleeping.

If Southerland is on I can see him scoring 30 points on Saturday.

I think whoever Burke guards is going to be eaten up by the length and quick first step like you saw against Indiana. Triche is too big and strong to be guarded by Burke IMO.

My only fear is the Syracuse that can't put the ball in the hole comes back...

 

[skurey]

Not really enjoying the treatment of Michigan fans on our board. Every suggestion they have to beat the zone is met with a sarcastic response stating how superior Syracuse is and how that would never work. What do you want them to say? That they have no chance? The zone is impossible to beat so they shouldn't even try?

 

[orangefog]

I think if the good Syracuse shows up we score at will. They will put Stauskas on Southerland because Stauskas can't guard Fair. I see us running him over a bunch of picks trying to get JS open or catch Nik sleeping.

If Southerland is on I can see him scoring 30 points on Saturday.

I think whoever Burke guards is going to be eaten up by the length and quick first step like you saw against Indiana. Triche is too big and strong to be guarded by Burke IMO.

My only fear is the Syracuse that can't put the ball in the hole comes back...

I agree, I think we will get shots. If James or Brandon are on, we are in good shape. If they are both hitting their shots, then we could cruise. Provided they play D as they have been.

 

[Van111]

Not really enjoying the treatment of Michigan fans on our board. Every suggestion they have to beat the zone is met with a sarcastic response stating how superior Syracuse is and how that would never work. What do you want them to say? That they have no chance? The zone is impossible to beat so they shouldn't even try?

Not every one....

 

[TheCusian]

Not really enjoying the treatment of Michigan fans on our board. Every suggestion they have to beat the zone is met with a sarcastic response stating how superior Syracuse is and how that would never work. What do you want them to say? That they have no chance? The zone is impossible to beat so they shouldn't even try?

Eh? If they had the right formula, I'm confident this board would agree with it. Much of what's been shared in this thread might work - but given our defense this tourney and the examples they've used - the response has been accurate.

Honestly - I'm not sure any team left in the tourney will get consistent offense vs the zone with the way it's been. If we lose it will be because of our poor offense and turnovers. See 'Ville BE Championship game. 1st half they struggled vs the zone. 2nd poor offense and TO by us combined with fast break points off of those TO.

 

[BuffOrange]

Not really enjoying the treatment of Michigan fans on our board. Every suggestion they have to beat the zone is met with a sarcastic response stating how superior Syracuse is and how that would never work. What do you want them to say? That they have no chance? The zone is impossible to beat so they shouldn't even try?

That's kinda why I don't visit other boards anymore.
But speaking for myself, I'd be ok with something like "Robinson can be a good shooter/passer/decision maker from the high post" and/or "our defense has held up much better against teams without a post threat" (no idea if these things are true, but at least they would make sense). I'm just not really feeling the "Zeller/Oladipo are like Dajuan Coleman & Trevor Cooney compared to our guys" stuff that seems to be so prevalent. Like I said earlier it would be like us slamming Russ Smith & Dieng if they pounded L'ville.

 

[pearl31]

Not really enjoying the treatment of Michigan fans on our board. Every suggestion they have to beat the zone is met with a sarcastic response stating how superior Syracuse is and how that would never work. What do you want them to say? That they have no chance? The zone is impossible to beat so they shouldn't even try?

 

[Melancer46]

It'll be interesting to see if Burke can get into the lane against us. He isn't nearly as quick as Siva and Russ Smith or TJ Ford for that matter, and he generally isn't very good at beating his man off the dribble, so I think he'll need ball-screens to have a chance at it. How we attack the ball-screens will be a huge part of whether or not we can win this game, but I still think the two biggest keys are:
1. Boxing McGary out. Based on Michigan's inconsistency shooting, the fact that Burke tends to shoot the ball poorly against good teams (about 39% from the field), and their reliance on jumpshots, I have I feeling that there will be a lot of opportunities for McGary to get offensive rebounds. If we can box him out the way we made a concerted effort to do with Zeller, I think we'll be in good shape.
2. Getting back on defense. They push the ball as well as Indiana does. We have to get back and force them to play in the half court the way that we were able to do with Indiana. If we accomplish both of these things, I think the result will be very similar to the Indiana game. If we only accomplish one of those things, it'll be a close one. And if we can't accomplish either of them, we likely lose.

 

[jdubs30]

Some things, however, don't change too much. "The key," Chaney said, "is to stop the middle and Jim Boeheim's zone does that. You stop the ball from getting in the middle and you find a team that dribbles around, passes around, stands around and shoots around. And that team is never going to win games against the zone."

 

[Orangezoo]

If you think about it- the primary way teams have beaten us this year is by suffocating us on offense. Louisville, Gtown and even temple were able to shut us down on offense and do enough against the zone to beat us. Michigan could throw a little 2-3 at us and they do have the size and athleticism to do so. I don't think they would be very good at guarding CJ at the high post but I think if UM is going to win they have to do so with defense. I think the best effort we have seen in the tourney was Cal. Part of that was we looked bad and out of sorts on offense but they used their size to try to bother us. They were the only ones to do so even though that game was hardly in question.

MCW will be the best PG they have faced this year much like Burke the best we have seen. If they cannot shut down MCW its going to be tough for them. Unless they hit 12 25 -28 foot 3's its clear this game will be won with our offense vs their defense.

 

[orange7]

Just watched this game on youtube...what really frustrated me was the officiating. So many fouls not called and being so close to the title game...yes I enjoy torturing myself on this Sunday night!