Syracuse was, is, and always will be...

[SU2NASA]

He's 0-0 so far this year and tied with every other team. That's why they play the games.

Not off to a good start we're the operative words.

Would you say that you're very optimistic that 0-0 is going to turn into a bowl game?

 

[sufan]

Was just talking to another Cuse alum/friend. What's come to bother us about the recruiting (well, one of the many things), is this idea of Marrone's focus on developing young men. Obviously this isn't working. These kids are attending Syracuse University to be good at football and win games. As long as they're not committing felonies, their job is to win. Just freakin' win. And if he can't, get someone else in there that can, and can bring in kids who will win.

The only real argument that we're not a football school anymore is that people have become complacent about what it takes to have a major football program.

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Continuity of assistant coaches, which relates to recruiting contacts, which relates to competive coaching salaries, and competitive facility improvement (like field turf and indoor practice facility); there are a lot of things that are important in attracting talented football recruits.

Ever consider some talented recuits may actually be attracted to a culture that focuses on them as persons and students as well as football players?

Football is also a team game and that means the ability to work with others is important. Just a few "low character" team members can influence other members of a team, and not necessarily in a good way.

Regardless, SU has standards as a university more important than "just freakin win".

 

[SU2NASA]

Ever consider some talented recuits may actually be attracted to a culture that focuses on them as persons and students as well as football players?

Some, sure. Most, nope.

Regardless, SU has standards as a university more important than "just freakin win".

SU should have those standards as a university. The football program should be focused on just freakin' winning. That's what these kids are there for. They're not there because SU is a charity out for the betterment of their lives, they're not there to give back to the community. Those are nice to haves. Winning is a must have.

 

[OrangeAl]

SU should have those standards as a university. The football program should be focused on just freakin' winning. That's what these kids are there for. They're not there because SU is a charity out for the betterment of their lives, they're not there to give back to the community. Those are nice to haves. Winning is a must have.

That's a pro sports attitude. We're still an institution of higher learning.

 

[CusefanATL]

Boeheim said that beause he went to SU when it really was a football school.

But he was just being polite to the incoming coach. SU is now a basketball and lacrosse school. Football plays second or even third fiddle ... at least among the alumni.

i havent read beyond this point... so im sure you got pounded on... i apologize in advance if i am kicking you while you are down.

football is so much ahead of lacrosse it is a joke.

that is like saying UNC is a womens soccer school, UGA a womens gymnastics school, UCLA a softball school, Michigan a hockey school, and Miami or Texas a baseball school.

They arent even in the same stratosphere to all of their football schools. And it is no different with Syracuse.

 

[xc84]

Not off to a good start we're the operative words.

Would you say that you're very optimistic that 0-0 is going to turn into a bowl game?

No. I would not say that. What I would say is that we can't be "not off to a good start" when we haven't even started yet. I'll let you know after a few games what kind of start they are off to.

 

[Townie72]

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i havent read beyond this point... so im sure you got pounded on... i apologize in advance if i am kicking you while you are down.

football is so much ahead of lacrosse it is a joke.

that is like saying UNC is a womens soccer school, UGA a womens gymnastics school, UCLA a softball school, Michigan a hockey school, and Miami or Texas a baseball school.

They arent even in the same stratosphere to all of their football schools. And it is no different with Syracuse.

Syracuse is now a basketball school. We aren't UNC. We are Indiana when Bobby Knight was the coach there.

And you must not know much about SU lacrosse. SU travels to the Lax Final Four with about 10,000 supporters. When's the last time the football team brought 10,000 fans to an away game? The 1987 Sugar Bowl?

I wish it weren't true, but he SU football team may never be any better than a middle of the pack ACC team.

 

[CusefanATL]

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Syracuse is now a basketball school. We aren't UNC. We are Indiana when Bobby Knight was the coach there.

And you must not know much about SU lacrosse. SU travels to the Lax Final Four with about 10,000 supporters. When's the last time the football team brought 10,000 fans to an away game? The 1987 Sugar Bowl?

I wish it weren't true, but he SU football team may never be any better than a middle of the pack ACC team.

i didnt say anything about it being a basketball or football school. i am just talking about lax/football.

syracuse brought well over 10k to the pinstripe bowl.

 

[Townie72]

Some, sure. Most, nope.



SU should have those standards as a university. The football program should be focused on just freakin' winning. That's what these kids are there for. They're not there because SU is a charity out for the betterment of their lives, they're not there to give back to the community. Those are nice to haves. Winning is a must have.

Winning is a "must have"? Apparently it isn't afterall.

Did you happen to notice last year's SU FB record?

 

[xc84]

Winning is a "must have"? Apparently it isn't afterall.

Did you happen to notice last year's SU FB record?

Wow. Is that comment serious? So, I guess winning is not a "must have" for any school because at some point in their past, they had a losing record. Nice logic.

And lax isn't close to football. A big attendance day at a lax game is 15,000. So, let's say they did travel 10,000 for the national championship...it's nothing you can prove...but let's say it... it's only 10 freakin thousand. It's a drop in the bucket for football. It's nothing.

 

[longtimefan]

19 home games x 23,617 avg = 448,723 total basketball attendance.

Football averaged 40,509 per game.

They might have sold an average of 40K tix per football game, but no way were there that many fannies (or even close to it) in the Dome.

 

[cusestudent]

They might have sold an average of 40K tix per football game, but no way were there that many fannies (or even close to it) in the Dome.

The same can be said for basketball...

 

[longtimefan]

The same can be said for basketball...

Not to the same extent. I would also argue that the crowd involvement level is much higher for the hoops team.

But, I'm more of a basketball guy.

 

[SU2NASA]

Not to the same extent. I would also argue that the crowd involvement level is much higher for the hoops team.

But, I'm more of a basketball guy.

The argument isn't about winning, of course the basketball team is winning more these days after the Greg Robinson cratering of the football program. My argument is that when both are good, the football program is what drives the school. You need look no further than the late 80's and 90's in recent memory.

 

[longtimefan]

The argument isn't about winning, of course the basketball team is winning more these days after the Greg Robinson cratering of the football program. My argument is that when both are good, the football program is what drives the school. You need look no further than the late 80's and 90's in recent memory.

But basketball pays the bills. You can look it up.

 

[GoSU96]

Honest question - do you think our recruiting is any better than it was four years ago?

Without a doubt

 

[GoSU96]

A football school.

Down down the field goes ol' Syracuse!

It's both.

 

[SU2NASA]

But basketball pays the bills. You can look it up.

At basketball's best and football's worst, they bring in approximately equal revenue. And that's with them both being at opposite ends of the spectrum.

 

[CaliCuse]

A football school.

Down down the field goes ol' Syracuse!

Until that becomes fact rather than ancient history lets hope the "basketball school reputation flashes some continuation for the rest of this month.SUball

 

[GoSU96]

At basketball's best and football's worst, they bring in approximately equal revenue. And that's with them both being at opposite ends of the spectrum.

SU is not one or the other, it's both.

 

[Chip]

Syracuse was, is, and always will be an event town.

Hoops is relevant, it's an event, Dome fills up.

Football is irrelevant, it's not an event, Dome does not fill up.

If/when football is relevant, Dome fills up again.

God forbid, when JB hangs them up, if hoops has a run of mediocrity, Dome seats won't be hard to come by. I think it's unlikely because of the infrastructure built up under JB, but we've seen good programs have down cycles when the legend has stepped down. We won't see 25k to 30k in those years if it happens.

On the football side, we're not Duke or even Kansas. We have the core of about 25 - 30k, which isn't bad considering.

 

[Townie72]

At basketball's best and football's worst, they bring in approximately equal revenue. And that's with them both being at opposite ends of the spectrum.

That may or may not be true depending on how revenues from TV, the conference, from apparel sales, etc. are allocated. You have to have some business training or experience to understand this.

But the more important discussion is around revenue and costs and what you have left over when you subtract costs from revenue. In business that's called "profit" for you English and Sociology majors and Government employees. In the realm of "profit" or whatever they call it on the University income statement is where basketball outshines football (unless you are one of a handful of schools).

Boeheim had to add homegames to the BB schedule to offset disappointing football attendance.

At Syracuse for some time now basketball is the horse thats pulling in the money.

 

[longtimefan]

At basketball's best and football's worst, they bring in approximately equal revenue. And that's with them both being at opposite ends of the spectrum.

But what are the net figures? As some wag has suggested, you can run a basketball program on what it costs football for tape.