Tennessee Postgame

[CardiacCuse]

This is a really good defensive team. It can show up every night. I really prefer offensive teams - I just find it more enjoyable to watch- but those off nights get ugly. No reason for this team to get blown out badly when it can throw stoppers out there at three positions.

Offensively, we’re just carpet bombers. We need to take 100 shots to get 70 points. There are no easy baskets for us.

theres more than enough offensive talent on this team to have a really good offensive team as well, though

the schemes and decision making are just so bad, despite the grit and hustle

the offense would be so much better with the same players but a good coach

 

[CardiacCuse]

we would have won by double digits if we didnt have guys inexplicably just fall down and turn the ball over under minimal pressure about 5 times. Other than the constant falling, it was quite a fun game.

i really wanna know what the coaches told them or what the timeout huddle was like after going up 9 and then collapsing like that...was the weirdest thing...they started playing like they never played bball before for a few minutes

 

[CardiacCuse]

It's water under the bridge now but I can't figure out why on the last play of the game, Starling was our free safety guarding the rim as opposed to Kyle.

poor scheme

 

[Blanko97]

Is that what she said?

 

[CardiacCuse]

Part of it is the way we run our pick and roll. Our screeners (usually Kyle) rarely roll hard and mostly drift into open space in the midrange on the short roll. I think the logic is that it gives us better spacing—we always have someone in the weak side dunker, so if we have a driving guard, rolling big, and lurking 2nd big, the lane is really clogged.

The problem is that Kyle is pretty bad at catching the ball in space and making a play, which means the action just kind of dies when he gets the pocket pass. George is too slow to pressure the rim on his own, so he needs a real roll to engage the drop defender and create cleaner finishing angles. Since George isn’t doing very much out of the pnr (where his pull-up shooting and passing should be most valuable), he’s taking lots of shots out of isos, which he’s bad at.

I think when Donnie gets back, we’ll go back to 4 out spacing more often, which should make it easier for George.

kyle needs to get the ball and they need to play the pnr aggressively...they play it so softly

 

[StPeteOrang]

White and Starling both were at 50% and Kyle 40%. It was a team effort in mediocrity.

Eh I don’t buy this, just looking at individual % doesn’t tell the whole story. White and JJ were both 1 of 2 from the line. Kyle was 4/10. Kings was good at 5/6 and kiyan was 2/2. Kyle had double the amount of missed free throws as the rest of the team combined

 

[OrangeinDC]

I just rewatched the highlights and you just can’t overstate how clutch JJ was down the stretch. We were down one with under three minutes left and Red’s coaching career was flashing before his eyes. Starling then scored five points on consecutive beautiful jumpers (bro just do that at the free throw line) which won us the game.

He was shmoooove!

 

[SwagSocks]

I would have thought you were tracking your database of acceptable and unacceptable court stormings.

Oh I do that too. There is a membership fee if you want access. You just missed the free trial unfortunately

 

[sugrad68]

I just rewatched the 2nd half. Defense was outstanding to say the least. Kingz and JJ and of course Kyle were outstanding. White and George not too shabby either. I haven’t seen a Syracuse team play defense like this in . . . Well forever. Ament was a top 5 recruit and White outplayed him. 5 games coming up where we will be heavily favored which takes us to the home game against Clemson in which ESPN has us as underdogs. Not sure why.

 

[CardiacCuse]

I just rewatched the 2nd half. Defense was outstanding to say the least. Kingz and JJ and of course Kyle were outstanding. White and George not too shabby either. I haven’t seen a Syracuse team play defense like this in . . . Well forever. Ament was a top 5 recruit and White outplayed him. 5 games coming up where we will be heavily favored which takes us to the home game against Clemson in which ESPN has us as underdogs. Not sure why.

kenpom rankings dont make a lotta sense to me.

i guess that iowa state blowout really hurt. and the close game with monmouth.

but i think a team that beats tenn and goes to overtime w houston...while also staying relatively close with kansas should be higher than 63rd

its clear to me that SU has a legit chance no matter who they play and I dont think you can say for 63 teams in NCABB

 

[RedtheGOB]

kenpom rankings dont make a lotta sense to me.

i guess that iowa state blowout really hurt. and the close game with monmouth.

but i think a team that beats tenn and goes to overtime w houston...while also staying relatively close with kansas should be higher than 63rd

its clear to me that SU has a legit chance no matter who they play and I dont think you can say for 63 teams in NCABB

Below is on the kenpom site. \

Also The offense is also over 100. Once we get through this next stretch of cupcakes and play some middle of the pack ACC teams our offense will be rated higher. 4 top 15 defenses without Donnie. We're prob lucky our O rating isn't lower

When is the influence of preseason ratings removed from the system?​

The weight of the preseason ratings decreases through the season, going to zero after a team's 27th D-I game. The proper weighting has been determined from historical testing - designed so that there's no bias in terms of the preseason rating holding a team back or propping it up during the season.

 

[walsh2012]

Nah, don’t tell me how to feel. I loved the win just didn’t like the court storm.
I guess any top 25 game Cuse wins now they rush the court? Or how about any win, don’t gatekeep, right?
They rushed the court on a team that already had a loss, was ranked 13th and program that has never been to a final 4. Didn’t think this was warranted.

ok

 

[DomeHolmes]

I just rewatched the 2nd half. Defense was outstanding to say the least. Kingz and JJ and of course Kyle were outstanding. White and George not too shabby either. I haven’t seen a Syracuse team play defense like this in . . . Well forever. Ament was a top 5 recruit and White outplayed him. 5 games coming up where we will be heavily favored which takes us to the home game against Clemson in which ESPN has us as underdogs. Not sure why.

Red and JJ take a lot of heat here, often deserved.

But the coaching decision to put JJ on Ament, and Kingz on Gillespie was a great move by Red, and perfectly executed by both players. Ament was used to getting open looks from three or driving to the hoop vs bigger players, averaging 17 a game . JJ took all that away, holding him to 2-10 from the floor.

Gillespie was unstoppable versus Rutgers, scoring 21 in the first half, Kingz turned him into a complete non-factor.

 

[Dinkyspond]

The sound engineer needs to be replaced. It’s the 3rd game this season where the sound was awful.

I did not watch the game on TV, listened to the radio broadcast with Matt Park and Jim Satalin. The crowd noise came across on the radio, it almost sounded like the halycon days.

 

[CardiacCuse]

Below is on the kenpom site. \

Also The offense is also over 100. Once we get through this next stretch of cupcakes and play some middle of the pack ACC teams our offense will be rated higher. 4 top 15 defenses without Donnie. We're prob lucky our O rating isn't lower

When is the influence of preseason ratings removed from the system?​

The weight of the preseason ratings decreases through the season, going to zero after a team's 27th D-I game. The proper weighting has been determined from historical testing - designed so that there's no bias in terms of the preseason rating holding a team back or propping it up during the season.

after 27 games???

wow they need to update that to the NIL era...new rosters every season makes that number way too high

 

[RedtheGOB]

after 27 games???

wow they need to update that to the NIL era...new rosters every season makes that number way too high

It’s weighted.

 

[althea]

Red and JJ take a lot of heat here, often deserved.

But the coaching decision to put JJ on Ament, and Kingz on Gillespie was a great move by Red, and perfectly executed by both players. Ament was used to getting open looks from three or driving to the hoop vs bigger players, averaging 17 a game . JJ took all that away, holding him to 2-10 from the floor.

Gillespie was unstoppable versus Rutgers, scoring 21 in the first half, Kingz turned him into a complete non-factor.

agree on this - also Gillespie made life miserable for Nate George. I don't want to excuse his play because it wasn't great. But that was part of it.

 

[Anstza]

Maybe someone has commented on this. Maybe I have. On my 3rd beer. But it seems like many new guys on the team (not KA) have an exceptional combination of lateral quickness and length.

It’s an irritating, annoying, pesky defense. They don’t play defense like they are fatigued, an excuse I have seen bandied about as an excuse by some for losses. SU should have one loss.

 

[Anstza]

You need more offense to compete at your historic standards. I don’t think Donnie will help too much. I’d love to be wrong. At least beat Duke at the CARRIER DOME if you are scheduled. PLEASE.

Do me a solid and sweep them if so scheduled.

 

[Cheriehoop]

TOTAL ACC- 7 SEC- 9 Challenge

Duke over Florida
SU over Tennessee
UNC over Kentucky
Va Tech over S Carolina
Miami over Ole MIss
Notre Dame over Missouri
Virginia over Texas

Georgia over Fla St
Texas A & M over Pitt
Oklahoma over Wake Forest
Arkansas over Louisville
LSU over Boston College
MS St over Georgia Tech
Vanderbilt over SMU
Alabama over Clemson
Auburn over NC State

 

[Anstza]

Irritatingly you only play Duke away 2/16. I just checked. Good luck.

 

[RedtheGOB]

agree on this - also Gillespie made life miserable for Nate George. I don't want to excuse his play because it wasn't great. But that was part of it.

Agree. I think George just needs a reset. He’s been drawing some guards that play serious defense.

He’ll get that against these cupcakes coming up.

 

[Orangezoo]

agree on this - also Gillespie made life miserable for Nate George. I don't want to excuse his play because it wasn't great. But that was part of it.

There were at least 4 if not 5 assists lost to a missed open shot last night as well. Re watching the game Nait again has to get better but if guys finish off some great looks he’s got 7-8 assists last night.

 

[OrangeinDC]

Maybe someone has commented on this. Maybe I have. On my 3rd beer. But it seems like many new guys on the team (not KA) have an exceptional combination of lateral quickness and length.

It’s an irritating, annoying, pesky defense. They don’t play defense like they are fatigued, an excuse I have seen bandied about as an excuse by some for losses. SU should have one loss.

So many teams play traditional "deny penetration of the middle", so they may sit a foot or two back to stop getting beat. The more aggressive teams attack the ball handler, make him make a decision, force him to attack, pass or turn it over. It puts a lot of responsibility on the off-ball defenders to stay disciplined, the reward are the turnovers. Watching the games tonight, the latter is us now. It drove me crazy last year watching players go under screens and get beat, go over the screens, get beat. Watching the way these guys switch, hedge and attack the ball handler. Majority of teams are not comfortable with this, especially star players that are used to sizing up the defender and doing 4 one-on-one moves.

 

[OrangeinDC]

You need more offense to compete at your historic standards. I don’t think Donnie will help too much. I’d love to be wrong. At least beat Duke at the CARRIER DOME if you are scheduled. PLEASE.

Do me a solid and sweep them if so scheduled.

I think with the cupcakes coming now we can focus more on getting the offense tighter and establishing true roles. Last four games were fights and you needed to find/use your Dawgs.