Texas fires Chris Beard

[AlaskaSU]

The bite marks, I am at a loss. But if he had to restrain her because she was hitting him, then certainly bruising can happen. Lots of adrenaline on both sides.
Some folks (general statement, not meaning you) don’t or can’t believe that women can be the aggressor and can be violent.
In my 20 years of doing defense work and family court, I can tell that they can be both, and (again, generalities) are very good at manipulating others and the system by playing victim.
IDK what happened here, but none of it was good.
When there are true emotions involved, there can be a bit of buyer’s remorse when the reality hits.
One incident should not define either person. The criminal justice system should be about rehabilitation first, then punishment (injury to the victims obviously tilts that balance.)
This is a case where the goal should be, what happened, and what can these people do to try to be sure it never happens again.
I would think counseling and mutual protective orders against assault etc. would be where to begin.

Should be about punishment first, rehab. second. Punishment is a discouragement and as such protects society. Protecting society should come first. The pendulum has swung too far in favor of perps.

 

[samspann1]

Guess you need to be a little unstable to get hired at Texas. Yiiiiikes

https://twitter.com/drakectoll/status/1609096647635619840?s=46&t=WmH44rHYO2315LoH1-1F9Q

 

[STEVEHOLT]

“Does he bite her to “get her attention””

What?

 

[two3zone]

Fired

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Texas fires coach Chris Beard for cause following arrest on felony charge of assaulting fiancée

The Longhorns dismissed Beard nearly a month after he was charged with a third-degree felony

www.cbssports.com

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Fired

Once bitten twice fired

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Boeheim successor !!!! Discount will be huge ! Just Mandate in his contract he wear one of these at all times

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Should be about punishment first, rehab. second. Punishment is a discouragement and as such protects society. Protecting society should come first. The pendulum has swung too far in favor of perps.

First offenders, no serious injuries, almost never get more than probation. Look at DWIs, which are far more dangerous to society in general.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Should be about punishment first, rehab. second. Punishment is a discouragement and as such protects society. Protecting society should come first. The pendulum has swung too far in favor of perps.

What you described is actually awful criminal justice policy, and the line of thinking that has produced an ineffective, awful, and extremely expensive criminal justice system. I completely disagree that punishment protects society. Punishment, the way we do it in the US, has a minute effect on crime deterrence. This is a consistent finding when criminal justice is studied.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

First offenders, no serious injuries, almost never get more than probation. Look at DWIs, which are far more dangerous to society in general.

It’s hard to compare domestic abusers vs DUI offenders. I wouldn’t even try to rank them. In todays climate, DUIs that don’t involve injury will be forgiven. Domestic abuse not so much.

 

[UpstateSM]

What you described is actually awful criminal justice policy, and the line of thinking that has produced an ineffective, awful, and extremely expensive criminal justice system. I completely disagree that punishment protects society. Punishment, the way we do it in the US, has a minute effect on crime deterrence. This is a consistent finding when criminal justice is studied.

You said it better than I could have.

Add in the money involved with privatized prisons and such to the thought process of punishment over rehabilitation and you have a system that breeds recidivism rather than a safer and better functioning society.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You said it better than I could have.

Add in the money involved with privatized prisons and such to the thought process of punishment over rehabilitation and you have a system that breeds recidivism not a safer and better functioning society.

Yeah.

Most politically expedient thing? Be tough on crime.

Least effective thing? Be tough on crime.

It's a bad cycle. Culturally, reality is we've decided that we care more about feeling good that people get punished than we are willing to invest in understanding policies and programs with real deterrence and prevention effects.

 

[STEVEHOLT]

You said it better than I could have.

Add in the money involved with privatized prisons and such to the thought process of punishment over rehabilitation and you have a system that breeds recidivism rather than a safer and better functioning society.

It’s also not great having the same creep repeatedly assaulting innocent citizens minding their own business. I’m willing to pay top dollar to lock them away.

 

[UpstateSM]

Not surprising

 

[IthacaBarrel]

Beard has the look of a drunk to me. Maybe it's just me but would bet alcohol played a role in all of this as well

 

[CuseMan4]

Props to Texas for doing the bare minimum. Which I did not think they would do. But they did the right thing.

 

[OmahaCuse]

You are equating Kelvin Sampson sending too many text messages with Beard choking a woman?

Yikes dude.

Never said that. My point was he will be back coaching like these other thugs.

 

[jgeorge322]

So, do we make the call…

 

[Cusefan95]

Yeah.

Most politically expedient thing? Be tough on crime.

Least effective thing? Be tough on crime.

It's a bad cycle. Culturally, reality is we've decided that we care more about feeling good that people get punished than we are willing to invest in understanding policies and programs with real deterrence and prevention effects.

What policies and programs would work better?

I don’t think being tough on crime works…but I’m skeptical that there’s anything we’re going to do within the criminal justice system to make it “better”. The US is so dysfunctional, I think crime is one of the inevitable outcomes - and “fixing it” would require so much to change that it’s effectively impossible.

 

[Lord Ashby]

You said it better than I could have.

Add in the money involved with privatized prisons and such to the thought process of punishment over rehabilitation and you have a system that breeds recidivism rather than a safer and better functioning society.

Yeah.

Most politically expedient thing? Be tough on crime.

Least effective thing? Be tough on crime.

It's a bad cycle. Culturally, reality is we've decided that we care more about feeling good that people get punished than we are willing to invest in understanding policies and programs with real deterrence and prevention effects.

What policies and programs would work better?

I don’t think being tough on crime works…but I’m skeptical that there’s anything we’re going to do within the criminal justice system to make it “better”. The US is so dysfunctional, I think crime is one of the inevitable outcomes - and “fixing it” would require so much to change that it’s effectively impossible.

No need to answer this question as this will just lead to political "hot" takes and lock the thread.
I'm more interested in what his contract says as I'm sure a lawsuit will be file due to cash and $$$ involved.

 

[Cuse181]

On a scale of 1 to surprised, I am not surprised

 

[NYCCuse826]

Any relationship those two had is certainly over. They're extremely volatile.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

What policies and programs would work better?

I don’t think being tough on crime works…but I’m skeptical that there’s anything we’re going to do within the criminal justice system to make it “better”. The US is so dysfunctional, I think crime is one of the inevitable outcomes - and “fixing it” would require so much to change that it’s effectively impossible.

It would take a while, but the Cliff's Notes version is that, yes, systemically there are dysfunctions that correlate with crime in US society to address (steering those ships are slow) and on the justice side of the equation there's so much we could learn from other countries, but, you know, part of that dysfunction to address is the misapplication of American exceptionalism where we lean hard into the idea that a) other countries can't possibly figure stuff out that we haven't and if they have then b) we are very willing to find something that's "unique" about the US that means it wouldn't work/doesn't apply so we'll just stay the way we are.

In the interests of not getting the thread locked and out of respect for the honorable Lord Ashby I'll refrain from commenting more.

 

[Day2]

I have seen this play out in so many scenarios. Sounds like a fight, she hit him, broke his glasses, tried to hit him below the belt. (Another woman. Seems to me to be the one thing that can make a woman turn violent.)
He grabbed, restrained her (maybe tried a headlock, as it says he was behind her). She’s kicking out and struggling. Does he bite her to “get her attention”? Is she in some type of state that he is trying to snap her out of it? Is she lying now or lying then? WTFK?
If they decide to prosecute, does she leave the state to avoid being subpoenaed?
Can they realistically prosecute with her statements? Don’t see how her “statements” come into evidence if she can’t be cross-examined.
Regardless, there are some anger problems in that household. I think he ought to be suspended pending clinical discharge from a certified counselor who specializes in domestic issues.
To me, the punishment stuff will be interesting, from a legal perspective. What are his protections as a UT employee? Timelines, hearings, etc. Does his contract waive protections that other employees get, or are they better? Is he exempted in anyway from the protections that the others get because he is a head coach? Does this fall under Title IX (seems everything does, these days.)

Your responses in this thread couldn’t be more on brand.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

It’s hard to compare domestic abusers vs DUI offenders. I wouldn’t even try to rank them. In todays climate, DUIs that don’t involve injury will be forgiven. Domestic abuse not so much.

I was speaking from a criminal system perspective rather than societal.