That last pass was nunesian

[dasher]

I didn't argue that Devito should play FYI

I didn't think I said you did.

 

[Chip]

It wasn't a great pass, on 1st down, running, with 2 guys about to sack him. The pass was almost the equivalent of just throwing the ball up on a hail mary. The fact that Williams didn't make a catch on a ball thrown behind him to two defenders is an asinine assessment of what happened. The only part of this that involves Williams is he just so happened to be in the location of where the ball was being thrown. There were many reasons that you don't make that throw given the exact circumstances, to blame the WR is silly.

You also don’t throw a pass like that to the shortest WR on your roster, hoping he’ll outfight the defenders.

This board always stays creative though.

 

[Bornorange]

The past two seasons we had great outs who could catch those balls, even truly crappy passes. This season we dont. So stop putting the ball out there like we have an all american caliber receiver. Shitty call, Poor execution.

 

[Chris02M]

im going to give dungey the benefit of the doubt that the hit made the ball float up there like a punt instead of being in the corner of the endzone where its a td or incomplete

 

[BVille44]

It actually reminded me of the pass/interception that Greg Paulas threw in OT. The difference is that was the first time Paulus played QB in 4 years.

Dungey and the staff won’t admit that he had nothing on the pass due to a shoulder injury until the season is over.

 

[kingtidge]

So the biggest question is was Dungey ever great in the passing game? I remember a lot of plays where he did just chuck it up to either Etta or Ish and they would win the battle down the field. Occasionally he will make great throws but overall he isn't a consistent accurate passer needed for this system. He is a warrior, leader and playmaker but isn't an accurate passer especially down the field especially in this offense.

Plus would not be surprised if he's carrying a shoulder injury on his throwing arm as others have speculated... and if that is the case, it would make that throw even more of a head scratcher...

 

[Ish88888]

Location wasn’t great for ED but that’s what happens when you’re basically falling to the ground with two Pitt guys on ya. Maybe I am not recalling that correctly but pretty sure he wasn’t standing there clean and misfired...pretty sure he was getting drilled as he threw it.

Still, no excuse, it was first down...

 

[Millhouse]

I didn't think I said you did.

i meant to say fwiw - sorry about that

 

[Millhouse]

Still, no excuse, it was first down...

that was panic hero ball. knew we were getting gashed on defense, knew we couldn't move the ball very well. this is cosmic payback for nunes's silliness against pitt that somehow worked

 

[Chip]

It reminded me of the Virginia Tech game in 2002. We start the final OT and rush for a TD (albeit in one wonderful play). VT, on first down just throws one up in double coverage, and it's intercepted. Probably the only bad thing their QB did all game. I think he just didn't want to play anymore.

 

[Millhouse]

It reminded me of the Virginia Tech game in 2002. We start the final OT and rush for a TD (albeit in one wonderful play). VT, on first down just throws one up in double coverage, and it's intercepted. Probably the only bad thing their QB did all game. I think he just didn't want to play anymore.

he probably wanted to leave after that horrific OT fart that got blamed on our shortest friend - probably wafted down from the upper deck

you know it's bad if you can remember it despite being near blackout 16 years later

 

[dollarbill44]

Location wasn’t great for ED but that’s what happens when you’re basically falling to the ground with two Pitt guys on ya. Maybe I am not recalling that correctly but pretty sure he wasn’t standing there clean and misfired...pretty sure he was getting drilled as he threw it.

I'm pretty sure the right play was to throw that ball out of bounds and try again 2nd and 10. We only had two WRs run routes and both were doubled. Even if he completed the pass, it was risky at best - 30 yards into double coverage. It wasn't like the clock was at :00 and this was the last play no matter what. No matter how you spin it, a 4th year starter should know better.

 

[Chip]

I'm pretty sure the right play was to throw that ball out of bounds and try again 2nd and 10. We only had two WRs run routes and both were doubled. Even if he completed the pass, it was risky at best - 30 yards into double coverage. It wasn't like the clock was at :00 and this was the last play no matter what. No matter how you spin it, a 4th year starter should know better.

Well, the best play would have been to throw it back the other way to the Tight End who snuck out to the left.

Had we actually tried that.

 

[Arangeman]

They had Pitt’s entire OT possession to discuss that series. “Eric, if you can’t get a clean look and a clean pocket, throw it away, we’ll get them next down.” What he did should never have been an option. Moten time out level mental error. I hope he was properly coached and just made a mistake.

In hindsight I don’t mind the play call.

 

[longtimefan]

he probably wanted to leave after that horrific OT fart that got blamed on our shortest friend - probably wafted down from the upper deck

you know it's bad if you can remember it despite being near blackout 16 years later

Hmmm. Memory. . .blackout. . .decades ago. Where have I heard this before?

 

[KaiserUEO]

Plus would not be surprised if he's carrying a shoulder injury on his throwing arm as others have speculated... and if that is the case, it would make that throw even more of a head scratcher...

If he’s playing with a shoulder injury (which surprise actually no one given his history and the way he slam a husband shoulder into LBs And DLs) and we keep running him out there...

Good god that’s pathetic.

Why???

Because he’s a Sr and deserves it??

Sit his hurt arse down.

 

[007]

If he’s playing with a shoulder injury (which surprise actually no one given his history and the way he slam a husband shoulder into LBs And DLs) and we keep running him out there...

Good god that’s pathetic.

Why???

Because he’s a Sr and deserves it??

Sit his hurt arse down.

I think this is the logic that would argue against Dungey being as injured as the board thinks he is. The staff watches/evaluates Dungey throwing 100s of times every day in practice; we see him throw 30-40 times once a week on game days.

They must think that Dungey is not injured to the degree that he is a detriment to winning. The fact that he is still playing means the staff thinks still gives them the best chance to win.

IF they are playing him because he is a Sr who has given his body and blood to the team and now "deserves" to play, we have bigger problems than we know. For the record, I do not believe this to be true.

 

[Millhouse]

If he’s playing with a shoulder injury (which surprise actually no one given his history and the way he slam a husband shoulder into LBs And DLs) and we keep running him out there...

Good god that’s pathetic.

Why???

Because he’s a Sr and deserves it??

Sit his hurt arse down.

offense doesn't work if you can't throw over the top at all

babers wants a guy to stand back there and sling it before getting hit

 

[dollarbill44]

Well, the best play would have been to throw it back the other way to the Tight End who snuck out to the left.

Had we actually tried that.

I didn't think this was accurate, so I went and rewatched the last play. There was no open TE on the left on the last play. Johnson was split left and jogged out about 3 steps and stood there next to his CB. Everyone else rolled right.
[edit] It looks like the right WR, was open for a brief second early, but ED had made up his mind to go deep. The play was really poorly executed as it didn't look like anyone was blocked.
[edit my edit]After watching the replay about 10 times in slomo, my initial take is wrong and I admit my memory sucks. The play was open if we had been able to block and let ED step into the throw. Williams was behind his defender with the safety well back in pursuit. The pass blocking was completely and utterly destroyed so that ED was pushed backward on the roll out and then hit during throwing leading to a throw that was well short and behind.

 

[KaiserUEO]

offense doesn't work if you can't throw over the top at all

babers wants a guy to stand back there and sling it before getting hit

I know where to find one...

 

[Chip]

I didn't think this was accurate, so I went and rewatched the last play. There was no open TE on the left on the last play. Johnson was split left and jogged out about 3 steps and stood there next to his CB. Everyone else rolled right.
[edit] It looks like the right WR, was open for a brief second early, but ED had made up his mind to go deep. The play was really poorly executed as it didn't look like anyone was blocked.
[edit my edit]After watching the replay about 10 times in slomo, my initial take is wrong and I admit my memory sucks. The play was open if we had been able to block and let ED step into the throw. Williams was behind his defender with the safety well back in pursuit. The pass blocking was completely and utterly destroyed so that ED was pushed backward on the roll out and then hit during throwing leading to a throw that was well short and behind.

Sorry, I didn't really finish my thought, had to run to a meeting (my boss likes when I try to do some work between posts).

I was saying it would have been cool if we went with the ol' TE throwback. I bet he would have made Marvin Harrison look covered in the '95/'96 Gator Bowl.

 

[Trueblue25]

Im at a point now where I think if dungeys dinged up you give him a quarter to get it going or you bring in the healthy next option. If he’s hurt you sit him. If he’s healthy, ride it out unless hes playing terribly.

We need a bowl.

 

[AgentOrange44]

I didn't think this was accurate, so I went and rewatched the last play. There was no open TE on the left on the last play. Johnson was split left and jogged out about 3 steps and stood there next to his CB. Everyone else rolled right.
[edit] It looks like the right WR, was open for a brief second early, but ED had made up his mind to go deep. The play was really poorly executed as it didn't look like anyone was blocked.
[edit my edit]After watching the replay about 10 times in slomo, my initial take is wrong and I admit my memory sucks. The play was open if we had been able to block and let ED step into the throw. Williams was behind his defender with the safety well back in pursuit. The pass blocking was completely and utterly destroyed so that ED was pushed backward on the roll out and then hit during throwing leading to a throw that was well short and behind.

 

[AgentOrange44]

What bugs me is this: the defense had been on the field a prolonged time at the end of regulation. We win the coin toss and elect to send them right back out there for OT. OK, I understand it's highly desirable to have last ups in OT. So Pitt marches back into the endzone with little resistance, and our defense now seems even more gassed. On our first play of the next possession, why even consider a quick strike TD? As others have noted, the smart move was to throw the ball away and live to fight another down.

We needed to buy the defense a breather - unless we were planning to roll the dice on a 2 point conversion to end the game. Had we kicked an extra point and sent the tired defense right back on the field it seems our chances for success would have been mighty low.

Anyone think we would have gone for a 2-pointer if the pass had been completed? Maybe a good question to throw at coach on the next call-in show.

 

[Millhouse]

What bugs me is this: the defense had been on the field a prolonged time at the end of regulation. We win the coin toss and elect to send them right back out there for OT. OK, I understand it's highly desirable to have last ups in OT. So Pitt marches back into the endzone with little resistance, and our defense now seems even more gassed. On our first play of the next possession, why even consider a quick strike TD? As others have noted, the smart move was to throw the ball away and live to fight another down.

We needed to buy the defense a breather - unless we were planning to roll the dice on a 2 point conversion to end the game. Had we kicked an extra point and sent the tired defense right back on the field it seems our chances for success would have been mighty low.

Anyone think we would have gone for a 2-pointer if the pass had been completed? Maybe a good question to throw at coach on the next call-in show.

at that point, we need to go for two - resting the defense wasn't even a consideration to me