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Not sure if you guys check out the Orangeyes Daily Links (but you should they're a great read sutomcat )...

But the Daily Orange has run a few interesting pieces lately but this one stood out.

Dino Babers promised to recruit New York state when he got hired. Nearly 2 years in, he’s received mixed reviews.

I read the article and the feeling I was left with was that the article was meant to take a shot at the Universities football coach and that the writer struggles to understand football/recruiting.

Thoughts?
 
Not sure if you guys check out the Orangeyes Daily Links (but you should they're a great read sutomcat )...

But the Daily Orange has run a few interesting pieces lately but this one stood out.

Dino Babers promised to recruit New York state when he got hired. Nearly 2 years in, he’s received mixed reviews.

I read the article and the feeling I was left with was that the article was meant to take a shot at the Universities football coach and that the writer struggles to understand football/recruiting.

Thoughts?

I read the title and took a pass. I don't care where our recruits come from if they can play and rep the university well.
 
Martillotti - classy dude.

3 - NY recruits in this class, honestly, that's more than I would expect.

It sounded like to me, that the vast majority of NY HS coaches, save Martillotti, have a pretty good grasp on the situation.
 
Martillotti - classy dude.

3 - NY recruits in this class, honestly, that's more than I would expect.

Gotta love the DO just running a one sided story from the coach of a former player. You have to know HCDB wasn't going to comment on that. So you just run a line from a coach saying "he's a piece of ****" ? Very strange
 
Not sure if you guys check out the Orangeyes Daily Links (but you should they're a great read sutomcat )...

But the Daily Orange has run a few interesting pieces lately but this one stood out.

Dino Babers promised to recruit New York state when he got hired. Nearly 2 years in, he’s received mixed reviews.

I read the article and the feeling I was left with was that the article was meant to take a shot at the Universities football coach and that the writer struggles to understand football/recruiting.

Thoughts?

It was a hatchet job IMO, and that coach at Lawrence High, while I understand him being upset if Dino did indeed blow him off, is classless. Calling Dino a piece of sh**?? really? I am glad he won't send another of his kid's to SU if that's who he is. I also agree that the writer does not get recruiting. Nor did the coach who wondered why Dino would let 5 star talent like Ruckert "slip away". Um, he picked Ohio State, dope. I hated the article bigtime and I am getting tired of the hand wringing and insults by NYS coaches about us recruiting NY kids. We want top end talent and NY doesn't produce much of it, and what is produced goes to Ohio State and Penn State with the blessing of the coaches basically every time. We have 3 2018 NY kids right now, all very good and very exciting prospects. If we can get 5 star NY kids and kids like the ones we are bringing in, awesome, but no way in hell should our top focus be NY State, and that gets some coaches all ticked off.
 
I agree. I think this quote sums up his lack of understanding perfectly, "The two players ranked higher than White, five-star tight end Jeremy Ruckert from Lindenhurst and four-star offensive lineman Matthew Jones from Brooklyn, are both verbally committed to Ohio State. Babers letting any top-level players from New York slip away, Burns said, is a little surprising."

It's not like Babers can just snap his fingers and all the top recruits are coming to Syracuse especially when you're competing with the Ohio States and Notre Dames of this world. Maybe some day this will be true, but it certainly isn't in 2017.
 
Not sure if you guys check out the Orangeyes Daily Links (but you should they're a great read sutomcat )...

But the Daily Orange has run a few interesting pieces lately but this one stood out.

Dino Babers promised to recruit New York state when he got hired. Nearly 2 years in, he’s received mixed reviews.

I read the article and the feeling I was left with was that the article was meant to take a shot at the Universities football coach and that the writer struggles to understand football/recruiting.

Thoughts?
I thought the article was pretty fair. The one coach who had strong negative thoughts had Jordan Fredericks as a player in HS and if what he says is true (he tried repeatedly to reach out to Dino before Jordan made the decision to transfer), this is a legit beef with Coach Babers.

I get the feeling Dino doesn't want to talk about playing time issues with anyone except the players directly. I don't think this is a great way of handling things but there might well have been extenuating circumstances at play here that the writer was not aware of.

For all the good things he has said, I don't think Dino considers recruits out of NYS a priority and he probably never will. I hope the handful of players he has been willing to take develop into big time players and change his perception on players from this state.

This is the one area where I wish Dino was a little different, as I am a big advocate for NYS HS football. But no one is perfect and Dino has so many great qualities, I don't hold this against him much. The guy is doing a good job finding good players. I think at least a part of the problem is that players and HS coaches from NYS do not treat the SU program with the respect he thinks the home state program deserves. That should change as they realize who he is and what he has done with the SU program over time.
 
I thought the article was pretty fair. The one coach who had strong negative thoughts had Jordan Fredericks as a player in HS and if what he says is true (he tried repeatedly to reach out to Dino before Jordan made the decision to transfer), this is a legit beef with Coach Babers.

I get the feeling Dino doesn't want to talk about playing time issues with anyone except the players directly. I don't think this is a great way of handling things but there might well have been extenuating circumstances at play here that the writer was not aware of.

For all the good things he has said, I don't think Dino considers recruits out of NYS a priority and he probably never will. I hope the handful of players he has been willing to take develop into big time players and change his perception on players from this state.

legit beef, fine. calling someone a POS? that crosses a line.
 
I thought the article was pretty fair. The one coach who had strong negative thoughts had Jordan Fredericks as a player in HS and if what he says is true (he tried repeatedly to reach out to Dino before Jordan made the decision to transfer), this is a legit beef with Coach Babers.

I get the feeling Dino doesn't want to talk about playing time issues with anyone except the players directly. I don't think this is a great way of handling things but there might well have been extenuating circumstances at play here that the writer was not aware of.

For all the good things he has said, I don't think Dino considers recruits out of NYS a priority and he probably never will. I hope the handful of players he has been willing to take develop into big time players and change his perception on players from this state.

NYS shouldn't be a priority, we are in the ACC, not the Big East anymore, what worked for Marrone won't work against Clemson. With a few exceptions, New York does not produce top end talent. We certainly shouldn't ignore New York, and we aren't, but to me, some of these coaches get butthurt because he doesn't prioritize NY the way he does Florida, Michigan etc, and he shouldn't. As far as Frederick's coach, he is a jackass. One thing to have a beef with Dino, another thing to call him a piece of sh**. Great role model for kids.
 
I thought it was an interesting article. Surprised high school coaches would attach their name to some of those comments though. No shock in the attitude of Fredericks coach based upon the circumstances surrounding the transfer issue. One thing the article failed to mention/explore is that the top NY guys are consistently going to "power" programs. The road goes both ways. If HS coaches don't promote/send their top kids to Syracuse it can't be expected SU will pick up all of the second-tier players after Michigan, OSU, Alabama, Clemson, etc. have their pick of the litter.

I always support NY players when they are in the program but not going to question staff as to where players come from as long as they can win. All doors should be open for talent in this program.
 
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I thought the article was pretty fair. The one coach who had strong negative thoughts had Jordan Fredericks as a player in HS and if what he says is true (he tried repeatedly to reach out to Dino before Jordan made the decision to transfer), this is a legit beef with Coach Babers.

I get the feeling Dino doesn't want to talk about playing time issues with anyone except the players directly. I don't think this is a great way of handling things but there might well have been extenuating circumstances at play here that the writer was not aware of.

For all the good things he has said, I don't think Dino considers recruits out of NYS a priority and he probably never will. I hope the handful of players he has been willing to take develop into big time players and change his perception on players from this state.
Pretty fair take Tomcat, this is the one thing I'll say, if you're going to talk to 1 H.S. coach about playing time, where does it stop? Does every kid's H.S. coach get the same courtesy? What about when the parents call?

Honestly, at the college level, I don't think he owes them anything, including a call back. And I've coached on both sides of that coin.

As far as him "sending" players there... I thought that was the kid's choice... His quotes are pretty telling as to why he may not have received a call back.
 
legit beef, fine. calling someone a POS? that crosses a line.
I agree that the Lawrence HC showed no class and shouldn't have run his mouth like he did. But if what he says is true, he has a legitimate gripe.

I think the article was fair and the Lawrence coach is a childish jerk.
 
As far as NYS being a priority, all other things equal, it most certainly should be a priority. Having a roster with NYS kids on it energizes the fan base, current and prospective, and can help sell seats which is extremely important to building a quality program.

While you don't take a kid just because he is from NYS you don't shut the door on a kid just because he's from NYS either. Its a delicate balancing act for sure.
 
I agree that the Lawrence HC showed no class and shouldn't have run his mouth like he did. But if what he says is true, he has a legitimate gripe.

I think the article was fair and the Lawrence coach is a childish jerk.

I disagree. How can it be fair without context? Writer says weve pulled in 3 nys recruits out of 16. Thats nearly 20%. Is that modest? How does that compare to year’s past? Also, where is a list of the players weve overlooked but deserved more attention? Also, were not even through 2 full recruiting cycles. Lets not ignore either the indictment for losing two kids to tOSU
 
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This article is stupid. It's picking on Baber's for where he recruits players. What would you rather have:

An SU team that's 3 and 9 with 30 NY State players?

or an SU team that is 9 and 3 with 30 kids from Florida?

A 9 and 3 team with 30 players from NYS is not an option. It just isn't. The state doesn't produce all that many top D1 prospects.
 
Didn't know whether to put this in Football (General) or Recruiting. Figured it would get more views here.

The hostility from Jordan Fredericks' former coach wasn't surprising given that his star player is an afterthought, but the tone he used toward Babers caught me off guard. The feeling is probably mutual between the two and his players wouldn't get recruited by SU as long as Babers is here.

At the New York State High School Football Coaches Association clinic in February, coaches gathered to hear Dino Babers, Syracuse’s head coach and the keynote speaker. They wanted to learn about the implementation of his trademark up-tempo offense. The talk was sold to high school coaches, one of them said, as an offensive lecture.

“He’s an offensive guy that put up all these big numbers at Bowling Green and Eastern Illinois,” said Bob Burns, head coach at defending AA state champion Troy High School, “and I was interested in listening to, schematically, how he attacks defenses. … He really didn’t go over any of that.”

The Daily Orange interviewed 14 high school football coaches from New York state about Babers and how he recruits players from New York, choosing coaches Babers seemed likeliest to interact with regularly. Included are those from major metropolitan areas like Rochester and Albany, those who have sent a player to Syracuse in the past seven years or who have produced a Division I football player in the last decade.

Generally, high school coaches view Babers as a good coach and person who has improved Syracuse’s on-the-field product while fielding a team of “high-quality young men,” as Pittsford High School head coach Keith Molinich put it.

Yet, for the most part, coaches were left desiring more contact and focus from Syracuse. They feel there isn’t a “priority” on New York players, said Shaker High School head coach Greg Sheeler. Talent, Molinich said, has gone “overlooked.” Several noted he seemed disconnected from New York high school football. They also feel he under-recruits the state by not prioritizing in-state DI talent, Sheeler added.

This disenchantment stems from a pledge Babers made at his introductory press conference in 2015 that coaches feel Babers hasn’t entirely lived up to. Just like Scott Shafer before him, Babers assured everyone in attendance that recruiting at SU begins at home in New York.

Since then, Babers has brought in three New Yorkers — Eric Coley from Fayetteville- Manlius High School, Cameron Jordan from Half Hills Hollow West High School and Luke Erickson from Greene High School — in his 28-player 2017 recruiting class. In Babers’ 2018 recruiting class, which has 16 commits, there are currently three New York commits: Trill Williams from Archbishop Stepinac High School, Qadir White from Cardinal Hayes High School and Gabe Horan from Charles W. Baker High School.

It’s on coaches to maintain contact with Babers, Monilich said, even if their teams field plenty of DI talent. Babers “doesn’t think it’s fair” to recruit a player who likely wouldn’t play just because they’re from New York.

Still, there are DI-caliber recruits from New York potentially getting overlooked or missed, multiple coaches said. Troy had two players attend a Syracuse camp and officially visit, and one even ran a 4.41-second 40-yard dash at the camp, Burns said. Yet that player still hasn’t heard anything from SU.

“It’s his thing to offer whoever he wants,” Burns said. “If you think the guys can’t play there, that’s fine.”

Babers and his staff tends to recruit areas where they have historically found success, said Jason Collins, head coach at Rush-Henrietta High School, in an email. In 2015, Babers’ final recruiting class at Bowling Green, he committed eight players from talent-rich Florida. So far in Babers’ 2018 class, he has five players from Florida schools.

Detroit also became a primary target for Babers while he coached at Bowling Green, and that trend has seemingly continued. During the bye week, at least five players from the area tweeted that they received Syracuse scholarship offers.

Despite the perception, a majority of coaches expressed most players and assistant coaches enjoy working with Babers, and that they take no exception with Babers personally or how he handles his program. Players particularly “really like him and respect him,” said Robert Treacy, head coach at Columbia High School. Babers helped his own cause by upsetting defending national champion and then-No. 2 Clemson, which coaches said will greatly help future recruiting efforts.

Nationwide in the class of 2018, there are 27 players from New York verbally committed to a DI school, according to roadtosyracuse.com, a New York State Sportswriters Association website dedicated to in-state football recruiting. Rutgers leads all schools with seven commits.

One of Syracuse’s three commitments is White, a four-star offensive lineman and No. 3 prospect in the state. The two players ranked higher than White, five-star tight end Jeremy Ruckert from Lindenhurst and four-star offensive lineman Matthew Jones from Brooklyn, are both verbally committed to Ohio State. Babers letting any top-level players from New York slip away, Burns said, is a little surprising.
While some coaches feel like they’re at the bottom of the list of Babers’ priorities, Joe Martillotti, the head coach of Lawrence High School on Long Island, doesn’t feel like he’s on the list at all.

Martillotti coached former SU running back Jordan Fredericks, who as a freshman under then-head coach Shafer in 2015, led Syracuse in rushing yards (607). Yet the next season, after the coaching change from Shafer to Babers, Fredericks found himself behind not just Dontae Strickland on the depth chart, but then-freshman Moe Neal as well. During that season, frustrated at a lack of playing time, Fredericks asked Martillotti to help him figure out what to do. So, Martillotti said, he called the football office.

After repeated calls and no answer from Babers, Martillotti said, he finally got in touch with Mike Hart, the then-running backs coach. Hart told him to speak with Babers, because Hart said he didn’t decide the starters. Syracuse’s head coaches before Babers, namely Doug Marrone and Shafer, had always returned Martillotti’s calls, he said. Yet, Babers did not and the situation became “standoffish,” Martillotti added.

“To not get a phone call back,” Martillotti said, “it’s just completely disrespectful. As far as I’m concerned, I will never send another kid to Syracuse. … I think the guy is, to put it bluntly, a complete piece of .”

Babers declined to respond to Martillotti’s comments.

However, on the ACC coaches teleconference, Babers insisted that the notion he was unavailable was untrue.

Despite Babers’ modest gains in New York recruiting, coaches acknowledged that Power 5 coaches can’t be expected to pursue every prospect in their home state. Babers will ultimately recruit the players he wants, and they understand that. In Babers’ view, he said Syracuse has “done a good job” recruiting New York in the nearly two years he’s been head coach.

“We’re doing the best we can,” Babers said on the ACC coaches teleconference on Oct. 18. “… We’re trying to recruit the best players out of the state of New York possible.”

However, some coaches, like Burns and Sheeler, wish Babers maintained relationships with New York coaches. If Babers isn’t actively pursuing a player, Burns said, he can become distant. Coaches are accustomed to occasionally hearing from Syracuse’s head coach, multiple coaches said.

Not every high school coach in New York produces DI talent every season, and the ones that do understand that coaches will pursue the players they want, regardless of geography. High school coaches grapple with this every time one of their players get recruited. Columbia High School only has one DI player every few years, Treacy said, but he will always host Babers if he wants to at least take a look.

“Our door is always open to whoever wants to visit,” Treacy said.

The same is true at other schools, coaches said, but they’re still waiting for Babers to walk in.

Dino Babers promised to recruit New York state when he got hired. Nearly 2 years in, he’s received mixed reviews.
 
The state doesn't produce all that many top D1 prospects.

And the ones it does produce usually end up at PSU or ND unfortunately.
 
NYS shouldn't be a priority, we are in the ACC, not the Big East anymore, what worked for Marrone won't work against Clemson. With a few exceptions, New York does not produce top end talent. We certainly shouldn't ignore New York, and we aren't, but to me, some of these coaches get butthurt because he doesn't prioritize NY the way he does Florida, Michigan etc, and he shouldn't. As far as Frederick's coach, he is a jackass. One thing to have a beef with Dino, another thing to call him a piece of sh**. Great role model for kids.

Many New York kids play in the Jersey parochial league so it skews the perception of New York. This was mentioned on an ESPN broadcast of the Don Bosco game the other night.
 
Seems to me that based on actual results, SU ought to be spending more time in Florida, Philadelphia and Washington, DC and environs.

Philips Conn
Bennett Detroit
Clarke Florida
Cordy Florida
Dowels Florida
Hofrichter Florida
Ishmael Florida
Pierce Florida
Fredrick Georgia
Slayton Illinois
Strickland NJ
Williams NJ
Dungey Oregon
Franklin Phila
Custis Phila.
Butler Wash DC Area
Butler Wash DC Area
Martin Wash DC Area
 
For all the good things he has said, I don't think Dino considers recruits out of NYS a priority and he probably never will. I hope the handful of players he has been willing to take develop into big time players and change his perception on players from this state.

This is the one area where I wish Dino was a little different, as I am a big advocate for NYS HS football. But no one is perfect and Dino has so many great qualities, I don't hold this against him much. The guy is doing a good job finding good players. I think at least a part of the problem is that players and HS coaches from NYS do not treat the SU program with the respect he thinks the home state program deserves. That should change as they realize who he is and what he has done with the SU program over time.

I have to disagree Tom. Dino has definitely tried to recruit the top end kids in the state and has largely been rebuffed. Just like every SU coach before him. Dino is recently on record as saying he wants to recruit NYS kids first and foremost and that a side effect is getting more fan interest within the state because they have a local kid they can cheer for, however, he also basically said he's not going to pad out this roster with NY kids who will never contribute. And imo, he's right about that he shouldn't. In the long run it'll create more Jordan Fredericks situation where people are complaining about playing time and NYS programs having animosity. My opinion, if you're going to pad out the roster go get kids who play football year round.
 

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