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[upperdeck]

I hope SU isnt the dream schoool for any kid coming up the line from that HS.. but since we have only had 2 kids in our history come from there, how big a deal is it?

 

[CuseLegacy]

DO has been very critical and harsh this year, while the PS guys have become much more positive.

The DO writers have been doing a good job on Olympic Sports and this year Club sports. Not so much on the FB team. I think it just depends on who is assigned to cover the team and who the managing editor is this year.

 

[shantydaze]

SU has an in-state disadvantage because it is a private school. State schools can set up a preferred walk-on program for in-state kids. This allows in-state players, who have talent, but are not on out-of-state schools' radar, to be recruited and play for a scholarship. Because their families will only pay in-state tuition, the financial burden will not be that bad. It also allows coaches to interact with H.S. coaches and be better informed about the diamonds in the rough.

 

[CuseLegacy]

SU has an in-state disadvantage because it is a private school. State schools can set up a preferred walk-on program for in-state kids. This allows in-state players, who have talent, but are not on out-of-state schools' radar, to be recruited and play for a scholarship. Because their families will only pay in-state tuition, the financial burden will not be that bad. It also allows coaches to interact with H.S. coaches and be better informed about the diamonds in the rough.

The staff has offered quite a few PWOS. I think it has more to do with what Babers said in the presser yesterday. He isn't going to recruit NY kids just because they are NY kids. They are only going to offer PWOs for kids they think can contribute, just like offering JUCOs and grad transfers.

 

[OrangePA]

NYS shouldn't be a priority, we are in the ACC, not the Big East anymore, what worked for Marrone won't work against Clemson. With a few exceptions, New York does not produce top end talent. We certainly shouldn't ignore New York, and we aren't, but to me, some of these coaches get butthurt because he doesn't prioritize NY the way he does Florida, Michigan etc, and he shouldn't. As far as Frederick's coach, he is a jackass. One thing to have a beef with Dino, another thing to call him a piece of sh**. Great role model for kids.

Get the best players.

If they are NYS players, get them.

If they are not NYS players, don't get them.

 

[Finwad32]

Recruiting is all about the law of averages. Blanket areas within your budget that you think will give you the greatest return on your investment, both time & money. Although NY is cheap to recruit, in this instance you'd get what you paid for as there just isn't the amount of players per capita as you'd find in other metro areas.

 

[qdawgg]

As far as NYS being a priority, all other things equal, it most certainly should be a priority. Having a roster with NYS kids on it energizes the fan base, current and prospective, and can help sell seats which is extremely important to building a quality program.

I don't personally agree with this. I don't think the fanbase would be more energized because the roster is full of NYS kids. Attendance might increase but I don't even think it would be that noticeable. The fanbase will be energized by a program winning consistently regardless of where the players come from.

 

[sutomcat]

I have to disagree Tom. Dino has definitely tried to recruit the top end kids in the state and has largely been rebuffed. Just like every SU coach before him. Dino is recently on record as saying he wants to recruit NYS kids first and foremost and that a side effect is getting more fan interest within the state because they have a local kid they can cheer for, however, he also basically said he's not going to pad out this roster with NY kids who will never contribute. And imo, he's right about that he shouldn't. In the long run it'll create more Jordan Fredericks situation where people are complaining about playing time and NYS programs having animosity. My opinion, if you're going to pad out the roster go get kids who play football year round.

Never said he should pad his roster with NYS kids. I don't want that; never did, never said that. No one wants that except maybe that crazy HS coach at Lawrence.

The recruits with the early offers each class are the priorities. If you pay attention to SU football recruiting, you will see that NYS kids are not getting early offers. Syracuse rarely is the first big school to offer them.

What I am saying is, each year, when the staff starts offering sophomores and juniors, it would be great to see some offers to NYS kids mixed in with all the early offers made to kids in states like Michigan and Florida. NYS produces 5 to 10 players each season that any program in the country would love to have.

 

[Louie and Bouie]

I don't personally agree with this. I don't think the fanbase would be more energized because the roster is full of NYS kids. Attendance might increase but I don't even think it would be that noticeable. The fanbase will be energized by a program winning consistently regardless of where the players come from.

That is why I prefaced my post with "all other things being equal". If you have two guys of equal talent go with the Rochester, Syracuse, Binghamton, Albany, etc. kid. Fans do notice NYS kids on the roster in my experience and people within a 3-hour radius will travel to see their hometown boy play D-I football.

I do agree that you bring in the kids that give you the best chance for success. That goes without saying.

 

[money3189]

That is why I prefaced my post with "all other things being equal". If you have two guys of equal talent go with the Rochester, Syracuse, Binghamton, Albany, etc. kid. Fans do notice NYS kids on the roster in my experience and people within a 3-hour radius will travel to see their hometown boy play D-I football.

I do agree that you bring in the kids that give you the best chance for success. That goes without saying.

This right here. We all want the best players no matter where they come from, we just wish they came from these areas for the reasons you mentioned. Doesnt happen too often though. McNabb was from Chicago, Graves DC. I was just thinking , who was the last mega star from NYS?

 

[money3189]

Never said he should pad his roster with NYS kids. I don't want that; never did, never said that. No one wants that except maybe that crazy HS coach at Lawrence.

The recruits with the early offers each class are the priorities. If you pay attention to SU football recruiting, you will see that NYS kids are not getting early offers. Syracuse rarely is the first big school to offer them.

What I am saying is, each year, when the staff starts offering sophomores and juniors, it would be great to see some offers to NYS kids mixed in with all the early offers made to kids in states like Michigan and Florida. NYS produces 5 to 10 players each season that any program in the country would love to have.

There are some good young players in the state. Just have to find them. I think its difficult to evaluate the young players in NYS. We dont play a lot of games here and competition is not as good compared to other states. States like Florida has spring ball and play alot more games. Kids develop faster and its easier to evalutation them.

 

[tep624]

When NYS coaches start sending their best players to SU instead of reserving their "developmental prospects" for us, while the cream go to PSU, OSU, ND, etc, then they can start talking about being disrespected. Otherwise, shut the *** up.

If coaches at Stepinac or Cardinal Hayes want to complain about something, I'm all ears.

 

[retro44]

Where did Jordan transfer to again? Ohio St. where he starting now or to a small school just looking for immediate playing without putting in the required effort to get it?

His coach has me confused now

 

[AAM62]

This right here. We all want the best players no matter where they come from, we just wish they came from these areas for the reasons you mentioned. Doesnt happen too often though. McNabb was from Chicago, Graves DC. I was just thinking , who was the last mega star from NYS?

ray rice and that was a long time ago. Not sure if Easley or Chan Jones counts as mega star, although Chan is definitely approaching that status in the league.

 

[FasterCuse]

This right here. We all want the best players no matter where they come from, we just wish they came from these areas for the reasons you mentioned. Doesnt happen too often though. McNabb was from Chicago, Graves DC. I was just thinking , who was the last mega star from NYS?

Greg Paulus... I kid, I kid

 

[PhatOrange]

Never said he should pad his roster with NYS kids. I don't want that; never did, never said that. No one wants that except maybe that crazy HS coach at Lawrence.

The recruits with the early offers each class are the priorities. If you pay attention to SU football recruiting, you will see that NYS kids are not getting early offers. Syracuse rarely is the first big school to offer them.

What I am saying is, each year, when the staff starts offering sophomores and juniors, it would be great to see some offers to NYS kids mixed in with all the early offers made to kids in states like Michigan and Florida. NYS produces 5 to 10 players each season that any program in the country would love to have.

I know you didn't say anything about 'padding' that was my add-on; apologies. What I mean by it is if we don't recruit the kid in Rochester who goes to UMass that's not ignoring the State. If we do recruit him for the sake of NY that's padding the roster with a kid who will likely never contribute. It doesn't mean we're not focused on the state though. We're focused on the upper echelon of the state - and they largely ignore us.

If you're talking about our priority of the state based on early offers, how many NYS underclassman are worthy of early offers? Of those 5-10 bonifide NY kids each season, I'd bet few of them were D1 caliber as sophomores and of those we likley offered early. (Dino wasn't even here yet when the current class of NYS seniors were sophomores.)

We have 1 offer out to a NYS sophomore - 2020 - kid. According to him we were his 4th offer. How many NYS sophomores have offers right now from anyone?

 

[money3189]

Keith Molinich is in the article. Keith and I do a lot of work with recruiting in Rochester. We try to identify talent early. We send a document with a list of names to Su and other schools. We understand that every kid will not be recruited by SU but in the article, it sounds like an upset coach who wants his kids to be recruited. The head coach cant personally call or give you updates on your kid. The position coach have to help with that. We are also hearing one side of the story. That coach doesnt represent all of NYS coaches. A lot of coaches I know like what he is doing. There's coaches in every state that is upset because his player is not getting enough attention. Can't please them all. I am a NYS coach and would like to see more NYS players on the team but they have to be able to help win ACC games.

 

[SU94]

That is why I prefaced my post with "all other things being equal". If you have two guys of equal talent go with the Rochester, Syracuse, Binghamton, Albany, etc. kid. Fans do notice NYS kids on the roster in my experience and people within a 3-hour radius will travel to see their hometown boy play D-I football.

I do agree that you bring in the kids that give you the best chance for success. That goes without saying.

I'd be interested to see how many NYS kids were on SU's roster during the best years from Coach Mac and Coach P. I remember a larger percentage that we see now, but again, that is my recollection, and is NOT fact based.

Some of the program's best talents the last 40 years were in-state talents, including Donnie Mac, Darryl Johnston, Chris Gedney, Rob Moore, Scott Schwedes, Keith Bulluck, Tim Green, Art Jones, Chandler Jones, Ted Gregory, Will Allen, George Rooks, Roland Williams, Duke Pettijohn, Rob Burnett, Doug Hogue, Clifton Smith, Adam Terry, Mike Williams. Let alone Ernie and Jim going back a bit further.

 

[DownTheField]

When NYS coaches start sending their best players to SU instead of reserving their "developmental prospects" for us, while the cream go to PSU, OSU, ND, etc, then they can start talking about being disrespected. Otherwise, shut the *** up.

If coaches at Stepinac or Cardinal Hayes want to complain about something, I'm all ears.

I was going to say the exact same thing. For all the goodwill Marrone built in NYC by having camps and recruiting developmental players, as soon as any of those coaches had a blue chip player they had no problem shipping them off to the blue bloods. I say screw them. Recruit the best players you can and once we start winning we’ll get more and more of the NY blue chip players. Whether they like it or not, high school coaches don’t have the same power as they used to. Players can be reached directly on social media so HS coaches can’t hide offers or make it impossible for recruiters to communicate with their players.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

There are some good young players in the state. Just have to find them. I think its difficult to evaluate the young players in NYS. We dont play a lot of games here and competition is not as good compared to other states. States like Florida has spring ball and play alot more games. Kids develop faster and its easier to evalutation them.

I think this is kind of interesting - The best offensive player on the NE Patriots (not named Tom Brady) is from NY and is an SU legacy. Arguably the best defensive player on the Patriots is from NY (Devin McCourty). The starting running back is from NY (Dion Lewis - Upstate at that). What do all three of these players have in common? They all played their last year of HS football in another state (McCourty- St. Joe's NJ, Lewis - Blair Academy NJ, Gronk -- Woodland Hills, WPIAA).

 

[Townie72]

When NYS coaches start sending their best players to SU instead of reserving their "developmental prospects" for us, while the cream go to PSU, OSU, ND, etc, then they can start talking about being disrespected. Otherwise, shut the *** up.

If coaches at Stepinac or Cardinal Hayes want to complain about something, I'm all ears.

Rarely these days do high school coaches send their kids anywhere. Their opinions are just one of the opinions that parent's and players get.

Players and parents recognize that these coaches are trying to get the best deal they can for themselves and have biases and favorites and people they owe favors to.

These days with all the video that is available, the high school coach's input just isn't that valuable. There are no more hidden gems.

 

[orangepassion]

I don't expect any HS coach to tell anyone to come to SU or not to come to SU. They should go over the pros and cons (Academics, playing time, opportunity to win etc.) of each situation and let the kids and families decide for themselves

 

[OrangePA]

Greg Paulus... I kid, I kid

Greg Paulus was a megastar.

Of course we didn't get him until after he had stopped playing football more than four years earlier.

And he was still our MVP in 2009 without even a spring practice.

Would have loved to have seen him on the team as a true frosh.

 

[TheCusian]

Wonder if JF wanted his coach to call about playing time issues? Seems weird.

 

[tep624]

Keith Molinich is in the article. Keith and I do a lot of work with recruiting in Rochester. We try to identify talent early. We send a document with a list of names to Su and other schools. We understand that every kid will not be recruited by SU but in the article, it sounds like an upset coach who wants his kids to be recruited. The head coach cant personally call or give you updates on your kid. The position coach have to help with that. We are also hearing one side of the story. That coach doesnt represent all of NYS coaches. A lot of coaches I know like what he is doing. There's coaches in every state that is upset because his player is not getting enough attention. Can't please them all. I am a NYS coach and would like to see more NYS players on the team but they have to be able to help win ACC games.

I always respect your take on this topic because you are a person that would know. But really your last line is what sums it all up.