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[Millhouse]

I think you are missing Millhouse's point (or I am). He's talking about spreading out people when running the ball. It takes the DB's and safeties out of the equation to make the tackle. You'd still have the same fat guys blocking the fat guys. But mathematically, there's less a chance that 1 of 5 or 6 will miss a block or assignment than 1 of 9 (not counting QB or RB with ball).

you've gone soft

 

[rrlbees]

you've gone soft

That's what my wife said.


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[IthacaBarrel]

simply putting WR closer to the side line is such a simple wrinkle that should've been obvious to everyone but wasn't obvious to anyone but briles.

how many years has it taken football to figure out that if guys are further away from the guy with the ball, it might be harder to tackle the guy with the ball

but meatheads don't like it. how can my meathead smash your meathead if your meathead is all the way over there? must get that meathead closer so my meathead can smash

ok guys we need 1 yard. here's what we're going to do. We're going to create a pile of 15 fat guys. Got it? OK, then what we're going to do is, stay with me here, this is key... we're going to run as fast as we can into that pile of fat guys.

Hey coach what if instead of creating a giant pile of fat on purpose and then running into that pile of fat on purpose, we forced the defense to cover guys so that there's less chance of our fast guy hitting a wall of fat?

SHUT UP @GGOT AND BUY US DINNER I HUNGRY FEED ME



i'm encouraged to see this and I didn't notice it during the game (the rhythmic punting back and forth 123PUNT123PUNT123PUNT was like counting sheep, I dozed off)

That was freaking hilarious, I may laugh that hard once a year at a post

 

[upperdeck]

Wake also has a bad oline , because of that they try to run a huge split. we countered with speed in the gaps and caused havoc on the run and made the qb run for his life every play..

if you have DBs that can play press and take the Wr out of the planned play design the spread will force you to have strength in the oline to have any success.. if you have a good line you can run almost any play type.. if you have avg oline then you need plays that get your best players into space. if you have a QB like Manziel/McNabb that can save plays you can make an Avg oline productive.

the spread works in HS because most smaller schools have olines that cant run or pass block but they have 2-3 quick kids. the Pros sometimes have t he best of all worlds. the problem is the D's in the pros and better college teams also have less weak links. the same thing the spread does for the offense getting guys in space it also puts your oline in places with less help.. you have to disguise your weaknesses or anything will start to fail.

avg QB play will still struggle..

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Its easy to be a Monday morning QB to think backwards like you are doing but you my friend (along with Millhouse) fail to see the talent vs scheme issue we have right now from a strategic perspective.

I wasn't talking about us at all, actually. My comment was more on how innovations get picked on when they aren't successful and that's used as evidence that the innovation has failed. However, do the same things people have always done and fail, and that is in no way viewed as an indictment of the way things have always been done. That's inconsistent, right?

 

[Millhouse]

Wake also has a bad oline , because of that they try to run a huge split. we countered with speed in the gaps and caused havoc on the run and made the qb run for his life every play..

if you have DBs that can play press and take the Wr out of the planned play design the spread will force you to have strength in the oline to have any success.. if you have a good line you can run almost any play type.. if you have avg oline then you need plays that get your best players into space. if you have a QB like Manziel/McNabb that can save plays you can make an Avg oline productive.

the spread works in HS because most smaller schools have olines that cant run or pass block but they have 2-3 quick kids. the Pros sometimes have t he best of all worlds. the problem is the D's in the pros and better college teams also have less weak links. the same thing the spread does for the offense getting guys in space it also puts your oline in places with less help.. you have to disguise your weaknesses or anything will start to fail.

avg QB play will still struggle..

offenses that don't have good lines, qbs or WR often struggle in the spread. (like wake)

offenses that don't have good lines, qbs or WR often struggle in whatever offense anyone can think of

 

[chakka3421]

i think hunt is enough to make any offense ineffective. i don't blame mcdonald for anything. and also, when you mention running the ball again - you are falling into the 1998 argument that you can't run out of the spread.

I agree with you on Hunt - his arm strength limits him for the offense that GM wants to runs so I think it is probably his last year as our starting QB (unless it truly is a WR only problem with our spread offense this year).

Anyway I didn't say you cannot run the ball against the spread - that would be stupid to be one dimensional. What I did say is that you normally will not get big gains from running between the tackles in a power run attack offense as the spread defense will converge on a run up the middle. When you have 8 or more in the box and you block well with your big uglies - the power runner has already blown by most of the defenders getting to the 2nd level on his way to a long gain or TD.

You have a tradeoff between the spread and power run game that you are not mentioning here. The spread gives you great passing gains (QB to WR heavy passing) with more limited run attack gains. The power run game gives you more great running plays with a more limited pass attack gains through (QB to RBs, TEs, WR slot/middle passing). Its simply a tradeoff and both can work and work well as we saw it played to perfection last year.

Nassib and company excelled in the zone read power run attack - you cannot argue that here. GM needs to recruit better players to make his spread offense to work as effectively as last years zone read power run offense.

 

[OmahaCuse]

Even if you miss on a long ball it put pressure on the defense and makes the corners and safeties think twice. IMO you need to take at least 3-5 attempts at a long ball each game and maybe 1 trick play. Hit on some and make the defense think and change reactions. If everything is a run or underneath eventually you can't move the ball.

 

[Millhouse]

When you have 8 or more in the box and you block well with your big uglies - the power runner has already blown by most of the defenders (2nd level) on his way to a long gain or TD.

You have a tradeoff between the spread and power run game that you are not mentioning here. The spread gives you great passing gains (QB to WR heavy passing) with more limited run attack gains. The power run game gives you more great running plays with a more limited pass attack gains through (QB to RBs, TEs, WR slot/middle passing). Its simply a tradeoff and both can work and work well as we saw it played to perfection last year.

i can't believe i have to point this out but one way to help negate the speed of really fast defenders is to put them all the way over there

this post is what i'm talking about with the meathead smash stuff
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how are we going to get a long run if we don't knock everyone over?

well, maybe we could put some of the defenders really far away.

why the hell would we wanna do that you pvssy?!? they're faster than us!

well, one way to beat a faster guy in a race is to put him further away. basic geometry

basic geof*ckyourself, little girl

 

[TheCusian]

i can't believe i have to point this out but one way to help negate the speed of really fast defenders is to put them all the way over there

this post is what i'm talking about with the meathead smash stuff
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how are we going to get a long run if we don't knock everyone over?

well, maybe we could put some of the defenders really far away.

why the hell would we wanna do that you pvssy?!? they're faster than us!

well, one way to beat a faster guy in a race is to put him further away. basic geometry

basic geof*ckyourself, little girl

I agree mostly on all points - but one counterpoint would be that sometimes it's a great advantage to have a lot of defenders in one place. Like them stacking the box against say a giant running back who resembles a bull dozer. Then when your smaller faster RB comes in and gets past the line he can rumble for 50+.

I favor a mix of the two styles, with an emphasis on the spread.

 

[PhatOrange]

I agree with you on Hunt - his arm strength limits him for the offense that GM wants to runs

Can you explain this? What type of arm strength does a QB need for GM's offense and then what is the offense that GM wants to run?

When I think spread I don't think of QB's with Pro type arms. Frankly I think a spread is a great offense for QB's who don't have big arms. Spread defenses out, and use mostly quick short passes with lots of YAC. Then throw in super quick scat backs and QB's who can run out of it and it's hard to defend.

 

[Millhouse]

Much like punters gotta punt, this needs to be on a t-shirt.
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why is there a bulldograbbit with an underbite on that shirt?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

why is there a bulldograbbit with an underbite on that shirt?

It's a pig. I thought it looked like a meathead.