The one question I have as it pertains to SS

[Alsacs]

It's an internet message board. People are going to disagree with you. Don't take offense.

I have ZERO problem with people disagreeing with me. I get along great with TheCusian and we disagree a lot civilly.

I have a problem when somebody takes my words out of context without asking me to try and say I am trying to make a point I am not doing. If I want to say something I will say it. The response was to the poster doing what I just said multiple times to try and take a shot at me without asking what I am saying.

 

[rrlbees]

So we can't finish 4-8 or 5-7 this year. Please stop reading into my posts. If you want my opinion ask me. You have misread multiple of my posts to what you think. If you are curious please ask and I will clarify. If we go 3-9 of course we can't get to .500 that should factor into whether this staff is retained. If I want to say something I will.

I didn't misread anything. I'm using your own words. Yea, we can go 4-8 or 5-7 this year. But that wasn't your question. You're talking about needing to get to .500 before 2017 meaning the end of next year. If we go 4-8 or 5-7 this year that means we have to go 11-1 or 10-2 next year. Your numbers.

 

[rrlbees]

I have ZERO problem with people disagreeing with me. I get along great with TheCusian and we disagree a lot civilly. I have a problem when somebody takes my words out of context without asking me to try and say I am trying to make a point I am not doing. If I want to say something I will say it. The response was to the poster doing what I just said multiple times to try and take a shot at me without asking what I am saying.

Can't take someone's words out of context when their words and numbers are used.

 

[Alsacs]

I didn't misread anything. I'm using your own words. Yea, we can go 4-8 or 5-7 this year. But that wasn't your question. You're talking about needing to get to .500 before 2017 meaning the end of next year. If we go 4-8 or 5-7 this year that means we have to go 11-1 or 10-2 next year. Your numbers.

My words
"If we can't get to .500 till 2017 then this staff gets treated like they took over a Gerg like program. SS took over a .5o0 team. I get we are now playing Florida State and Clemson but that would make a 6-6 team into 4-8 or 5-7"

Please tell me how you are referring to that point and saying what you just did. You are going at me NOT what I am said.

My point was if its going to take till 2017 for SS to get to .500 he is being treated IMO like he was taking over Gerg program and not how DM left the program. Instead you bring it where you did to take my word out of context and go at me. Sorry but I will respond to that. You don't ask what I am saying you interrupt what I say the way you want to come at me.

 

[qdawgg]

Good grief. Why?

FSU and Clemson will be breaking in new QB's. We showed today that we can compete with Pitt. NC State will be starting a new QB and are overrated this year, etc.

2nd year in this offense with Dungey, defense is already looking like a Shafer D (at least enough to think they are improving).

I think we could really take a jump next year. 7-9 wins.

This is what is frustrating to me. We say these things every year or during the year. We act like we will be better and therefore we will beat this team or that team because they will be "weaker" and we will be better. Than it doesn't happen and we end up with a losing record. Then we blame things that lots of other teams have to deal with and end up with winning records. We showed today that we can compete with Pitt and at the same time this season, we can't compete with USF.

 

[Chris02M]

This isn't factoring in whether another coach could do a better job with the talent being acquired. Are we getting better is such a low standard. Winning games is a way more relevant.

I think 7-5 be a major accomplishment next year. Our schedule is tougher next year than this year.

only reason its tougher is we only have 6 home games

 

[Chris02M]

My words
"If we can't get to .500 till 2017 then this staff gets treated like they took over a Gerg like program. SS took over a .5o0 team. I get we are now playing Florida State and Clemson but that would make a 6-6 team into 4-8 or 5-7"

Please tell me how you are referring to that point and saying what you just did. You are going at me NOT what I am said.

My point was if its going to take till 2017 for SS to get to .500 he is being treated IMO like he was taking over Gerg program and not how DM left the program. Instead you bring it where you did to take my word out of context and go at me. Sorry but I will respond to that. You don't ask what I am saying you interrupt what I say the way you want to come at me.

dm also left with his offensive talent leaving with him and knew the next yr was going to be another rebuild

 

[jekelish]

we can't compete with USF.

While the wheels certainly came off at the end, I'm not sure I'd say we "can't compete" with USF. We were about to get the ball back with a chance to tie the game and the momentum squarely on our side in the 4th quarter until Whitner's late hit penalty took the wind out of our sails.

 

[rrlbees]

My words "If we can't get to .500 till 2017 then this staff gets treated like they took over a Gerg like program. SS took over a .5o0 team. I get we are now playing Florida State and Clemson but that would make a 6-6 team into 4-8 or 5-7" Please tell me how you are referring to that point and saying what you just did. You are going at me NOT what I am said. My point was if its going to take till 2017 for SS to get to .500 he is being treated IMO like he was taking over Gerg program and not how DM left the program. Instead you bring it where you did to take my word out of context and go at me. Sorry but I will respond to that. You don't ask what I am saying you interrupt what I say the way you want to come at me.

We aren't getting to .500 next year without a miracle this year.

 

[Chris02M]

We aren't getting to .500 next year without a miracle this year.

yep

 

[qdawgg]

While the wheels certainly came off at the end, I'm not sure I'd say we "can't compete" with USF. We were about to get the ball back with a chance to tie the game and the momentum squarely on our side in the 4th quarter until Whitner's late hit penalty took the wind out of our sails.

I agree but at the same time we were also lucky to be in the game at that point IMO. There was a lot about that game that felt we were overmatched which was a shock to me.

 

[jekelish]

I agree but at the same time we were also lucky to be in the game at that point IMO. There was a lot about that game that felt we were overmatched which was a shock to me.

Unfortunately, the first half I just chalk up to bafflingly conservative play calling, more than anything else. It was head scratching.

 

[Alsacs]

We aren't getting to .500 next year without a miracle this year.

Okay now read the whole message and don't take it to fit your narrative. I said if it takes till 2017 SS gets treated as if he took over a Gerg program and not how DM left.

My point was not how you framed it in your response. Thus my reaction since. You have taken my posts out of context more than once now. I will respond when you do as you did way more often than anyone else.

 

[Alsacs]

Chris do you remember what your minimum expectations were for 2015?

 

[rrlbees]

Okay now read the whole message and don't take it to fit your narrative. I said if it takes till 2017 SS gets treated as if he took over a Gerg program and not how DM left. My point was not how you framed it in your response. Thus my reaction since. You have taken my posts out of context more than once now. I will respond when you do as you did way more often than anyone else.

Well it's gonna take till 2017 at least and no he won't be treated like he took over a Grob program. Why? Because he didn't.

 

[timkay99]

dm also left with his offensive talent leaving with him and knew the next yr was going to be another rebuild

I have seen this mentioned alot (Marrone left b/c it would be a rebuild) and I just disagree. Marrone left for a NFL job, he didn't leave for a peer job, so I think people saying he knew he was in for a rebuild and thats why he left were false.

Secondly, I believe if Marrone stayed and continued to run his system (play action off a power running game), that Gus Edwards would be spoken about extremely highly here (and QB misses wouldn't be as big a deal) and we would not have taken such a step back under Shafer (OC w/ spread system being played w/ pro style OL and other pieces)

I think Shafer gets another year, but this should not have been as painful a rebuild as it has turned out to be.

 

[baggerbob]

Okay now read the whole message and don't take it to fit your narrative. I said if it takes till 2017 SS gets treated as if he took over a Gerg program and not how DM left.

My point was not how you framed it in your response. Thus my reaction since. You have taken my posts out of context more than once now. I will respond when you do as you did way more often than anyone else.

You keep ignoring the fact we were an 11-17 club in 4 years in the Big East, not a .500 record. That is not a .500 record, and we weren't a good program when Doug left, most of the offense left with Doug. We had 1 good offensive year, and the key players graduated.

 

[Chris02M]

Chris do you remember what your minimum expectations were for 2015?

didnt have a minimum but thought 6-6 was reasonable

 

[Chris02M]

I have seen this mentioned alot (Marrone left b/c it would be a rebuild) and I just disagree. Marrone left for a NFL job, he didn't leave for a peer job, so I think people saying he knew he was in for a rebuild and thats why he left were false.

Secondly, I believe if Marrone stayed and continued to run his system (play action off a power running game), that Gus Edwards would be spoken about extremely highly here (and QB misses wouldn't be as big a deal) and we would not have taken such a step back under Shafer (OC w/ spread system being played w/ pro style OL and other pieces)

I think Shafer gets another year, but this should not have been as painful a rebuild as it has turned out to be.

he struck while the iron was hot since off a rebuild he wouldnt have gotten an nfl opportunity for a few yrs

 

[Chris02M]

there is something to switching from bigeast to acc during the shafer rebuild

 

[Alsacs]

You keep ignoring the fact we were an 11-17 club in 4 years in the Big East, not a .500 record. That is not a .500 record, and we weren't a good program when Doug left, most of the offense left with Doug. We had 1 good offensive year, and the key players graduated.

First off fine DM was 11-17. DM left a stud 2013 OL and stable of RBs that SS used to win 7 games. How did most of the offense leave? We lost Nassib and Lemon who were huge but Hunt, Smith, PTG and that OL were great.

We can't forget that. Also DM took over from 2-25 BE play under Gerg. 11-17 vs. 2-25 is a clear upward movement.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I have seen this mentioned alot (Marrone left b/c it would be a rebuild) and I just disagree. Marrone left for a NFL job, he didn't leave for a peer job, so I think people saying he knew he was in for a rebuild and thats why he left were false.

Secondly, I believe if Marrone stayed and continued to run his system (play action off a power running game), that Gus Edwards would be spoken about extremely highly here (and QB misses wouldn't be as big a deal) and we would not have taken such a step back under Shafer (OC w/ spread system being played w/ pro style OL and other pieces)

I think Shafer gets another year, but this should not have been as painful a rebuild as it has turned out to be.

It's one of the most interesting things to ponder. What would the Marrone 2013 offense have been like? Is RGCL a one year Bridge to Allen? Does Marrone cobble a respectable WR/TE unit out of the returning spare parts? Do they maintain the up tempo no huddle?

 

[OttoMets]

It's one of the most interesting things to ponder. What would the Marrone 2013 offense have been like? Is RGCL a one year Bridge to Allen? Does Marrone cobble a respectable WR/TE unit out of the returning spare parts? Do they maintain the up tempo no huddle?

I was saying this to someone yesterday - assuming no catastrophic injuries or other unusual setbacks, I believe Charlie Loeb would have gotten us to 8-4 (beating Pitt and Penn State) under Marrone in 2013. Business as usual with a continuation of 2012's momentum.

I can't predict what he'd have done with Zach Allen or Wilson last season, but I also find it very difficult to believe that Marrone would have gone 3-9.