The players

[Zelda Zonk]

It was like 75% was on the players, open layups missed, Jesse playing soft the entire game, bad over rotations to guard empty court versus players, that falls on the players. You can blame the zone for part of it, but that doesn’t excuse missing point blank shots

Why do our guys miss so many open layups. Why would our center be playijg soft. Why do we have bad rotations.

All if it comes down to preparation before execution.

But, aside from that, we still let the same team do the same things against us. Because we weren’t prepared to do anything else. That’s not on the players, either.

 

[Cuse181]

Why do our guys miss so many open layups. Why would our center be playijg soft. Why do we have bad rotations.

All if it comes down to preparation before execution.

But, aside from that, we still let the same team do the same things against us. Because we weren’t prepared to do anything else. That’s not on the players, either.

The players play the game bud.

 

[Gotothehole]

Why do our guys miss so many open layups. Why would our center be playijg soft. Why do we have bad rotations.

All if it comes down to preparation before execution.

But, aside from that, we still let the same team do the same things against us. Because we weren’t prepared to do anything else. That’s not on the players, either.

Lets start with the CEO this is the team he put together

 

[Zelda Zonk]

The players play the game bud.

So, coaching is irrelevant, right?

Ever hear the expression ‘don’t blame the soldiers, blame the generals?’

A more colorful and apt phrase comes from the British: “lions led by donkeys.” Same meaning.

Lions led by donkeys - Wikipedia

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If you’ve got college scholarship players who aren’t executing basic plays, at some point you might want to stop pointing fingers at the players and look at the adults who are supposed to have these kids in condition to execute those basic plays.

Especially when it’s the same thing over multiple years, and the “players” aren’t the consistent factor.

 

[two3zone]

The players play the game bud.

So it doesn’t matter who the next coach is as long as he recruits well?

 

[Cuse181]

So it doesn’t matter who the next coach is as long as he recruits well?

No, just that missing layups and soft play out of Jesse (who proved last year he is capable of better) falls on the players, coach can put together a scheme but he can’t make the players make layups.

 

[Cuse181]

So, coaching is irrelevant, right?

Ever hear the expression ‘don’t blame the soldiers, blame the generals?’

A more colorful and apt phrase comes from the British: “lions led by donkeys.” Same meaning.

Lions led by donkeys - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you’ve got college scholarship players who aren’t executing basic plays, at some point you might want to stop pointing fingers at the players and look at the adults who are supposed to have these kids in condition to execute those basic plays.

Especially when it’s the same thing over multiple years, and the “players” aren’t the consistent factor.

Coaching is irrelevant in terms of making layups and Jesse not playing soft, yea.

 

[Day2]

So, coaching is irrelevant, right?

Ever hear the expression ‘don’t blame the soldiers, blame the generals?’

A more colorful and apt phrase comes from the British: “lions led by donkeys.” Same meaning.

Lions led by donkeys - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If you’ve got college scholarship players who aren’t executing basic plays, at some point you might want to stop pointing fingers at the players and look at the adults who are supposed to have these kids in condition to execute those basic plays.

Especially when it’s the same thing over multiple years, and the “players” aren’t the consistent factor.

Here’s another expression: “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.”

The game plan and recruiting are on JB, no question. Desire is on the players, though. There’s only so much the coaching staff can do to make Edwards stronger and tougher. And they have developed him into an effective big who will play professionally. At some point, Edwards needs to be held accountable when he has games like yesterday.

Same goes for rebounding. The effort just isn’t there with some of the players. JB is pointing this out to anyone who will listen. There was a moment during the game when the ball was just sitting there in the paint and no one went for it. JB can’t do anything about that. When someone like Girard gets 7 boards, it’s not because he’s more fundamentally sound than Bell. It’s desire.

JB can’t do anything about missed layups either. Not in the middle of a game at least. I’ll bet Hima will be a more effective finisher by next season, though.

It’s not 100% on JB, nor is it 0% on JB.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Here’s another expression: “You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink.”

The game plan and recruiting are on JB, no question. Desire is on the players, though. There’s only so much the coaching staff can do to make Edwards stronger and tougher. And they have developed him into an effective big who will play professionally. At some point, Edwards needs to be held accountable when he has games like yesterday.

Same goes for rebounding. The effort just isn’t there with some of the players. JB is pointing this out to anyone who will listen. There was a moment during the game when the ball was just sitting there in the paint and no one went for it. JB can’t do anything about that. When someone like Girard gets 7 boards, it’s not because he’s more fundamentally sound than Bell. It’s desire.

JB can’t do anything about missed layups either. Not in the middle of a game at least. I’ll bet Hima will be a more effective finisher by next season, though.

It’s not 100% on JB, nor is it 0% on JB.

I don’t think it’s 100% on JB, but there’s a reason we are down 7-10 points at the under 12 seemingly every game.

Its called changing the lineup.

 

[Cuse181]

I don’t think it’s 100% on JB, but there’s a reason we are down 7-10 points at the under 12 seemingly every game.

Its called changing the lineup.

He promised a starting spot to bell, and he is the biggest flaw on the defensive side of the ball. He should be pulled at the first dead ball every game

 

[OrangeDW]

He promised a starting spot to bell, and he is the biggest flaw on the defensive side of the ball. He should be pulled at the first dead ball every game

Promise met. He started.

He didn’t get it done. Maybe next year. Try someone better for now.

 

[Day2]

I don’t think it’s 100% on JB, but there’s a reason we are down 7-10 points at the under 12 seemingly every game.

Its called changing the lineup.

He needs to have a much quicker hook with Bell. (The irony, of course, is that he gets criticized for pulling players too quick as well.)

 

[Cusefan0307]

He needs to have a much quicker hook with Bell. (The irony, of course, is that he gets criticized for pulling players too quick as well.)

I thought Bell was going to be a token starter just like Rak, DC and Fab were in their freshmen years, but he’s getting more run than they ever did.

 

[Day2]

I thought Bell was going to be a token starter just like Rak, DC and Fab were in their freshmen years, but he’s getting more run than they ever did.

Probably because Taylor is the only other option to take his minutes.

(I like Copeland, BTW.)

 

[Cusefan0307]

Probably because Taylor is the only other option to take his minutes.

(I like Copeland, BTW.)

And whenever Taylor comes in for Bell he seems to stabilize us. He 100% knows the zone and is better defensively than Bell.

 

[Dave]

Eric15 since I can’t reply to the game thread and we had a decent discussion going:



In 2014, 627 players shot at least 100 threes and made them at a 33%+ clip. That number SKYROCKETED to 682 last season. 188 players shot it at 40%+ on 100+ attempts in 2014, vs. 149 players last year.

2014 was the last time we were elite. I feel like I set the bar for ‘capable 3pt shooter’ pretty low, too. Could Boeheim not keep up with the evolution of basketball since way way way back in 2014 or does talent change things?

“Well, the good shooters shoot higher percentages now” might be the next logical thought. I looked at that, too, and nope.

I don’t mean to pick on you, I like you; this was just a convenient post to respond to regarding this.

Conclusion: We could beat teams with shooters all over the floor in 2014, we can’t beat them now. The coach hasn’t changed. The talent has.

Needless disclaimer that I somehow have to attach to every post now: Recruiting is a part of a coach’s job and our recruiting hasn’t been good. Duh.

What your analysis lacks is the fact that players are shooting much deeper 3’s. The zone was designed in part to move shooters a step off their comfort zone. High school kids are regularly practicing 28 footers.

 

[Day2]

And whenever Taylor comes in for Bell he seems to stabilize us. He 100% knows the zone and is better defensively than Bell.

He’s also slow and needs to be more aggressive. That’s the problem with starting him. I don’t think it would help his confidence much, but it would likely hurt Bell’s. JB just needs to pull the trigger sooner on the substitutions. Make Bell more of a token starter, like you said, but still give him chances over the course of the game.

 

[Cusefan0307]

He’s also slow and needs to be more aggressive. That’s the problem with starting him. I don’t think it would help his confidence much, but it would likely hurt Bell’s. JB just needs to pull the trigger sooner on the substitutions. Make Bell more of a token starter, like you said, but still give him chances over the course of the game.

I don’t really see the slowness. I do agree he’s a bit gun shy.

He‘s much quicker in the zone than bell. This seems like a lazy stereotype IMO. He’s not the Boeheim brothers.

 

[Brooky03]

What your analysis lacks is the fact that players are shooting much deeper 3’s. The zone was designed in part to move shooters a step off their comfort zone. High school kids are regularly practicing 28 footers.

I’m sure the extended 3pt line has had some effect. I don’t think that effect has been profound. The NBA line hasn’t changed and high schoolers have always dreamed of the NBA and thus tried their hand at shooting NBA threes.

 

[Cuse181]

And whenever Taylor comes in for Bell he seems to stabilize us. He 100% knows the zone and is better defensively than Bell.

Anyone is better defensively than bell

 

[Dcuse]

He’s also slow and needs to be more aggressive. That’s the problem with starting him. I don’t think it would help his confidence much, but it would likely hurt Bell’s. JB just needs to pull the trigger sooner on the substitutions. Make Bell more of a token starter, like you said, but still give him chances over the course of the game.

Wow is that a poor observation. He anticipates passes down low MUCH QUICKER than Bell and is a better rebounder. After reading this, I’m not sure you know who Taylor is.

 

[Dcuse]

Wow is that a poor observation. He anticipates passes down low MUCH QUICKER than Bell and is a better rebounder. After reading this, I’m not sure you know who Taylor is.

BTW….he’s the white kid.

 

[capeorange]

Promise met. He started.

He didn’t get it done. Maybe next year. Try someone better for now.

Or give him the quick hook like Fab got in his freshman year.

 

[PhatOrange]

I don’t get how this is even possible. Dude laying on the ground last game had more assists and rebounds.

But hey, at least he had Zero turnovers to LoL.

Que the dead guy reference.

 

[Dave]

I’m sure the extended 3pt line has had some effect. I don’t think that effect has been profound. The NBA line hasn’t changed and high schoolers have always dreamed of the NBA and thus tried their hand at shooting NBA threes.

Truthfully I think it is a Steph Curry effect.