The question is going to be asked at some point…

[Grbac]

So it wouldn't be unrealistic to think it would take a new coach 4 or 5 years to make the tournament. I wouldn't think so either.

I mean yeah. In a realistic world.
But in today’s society it’s now now now!! Everyone wants results immediately.

If we get a new coach and he starts building team depth and things are looking good. I would give them atleast 4 seasons to start rolling.

Of course it’s a different story if they are missing out on recruits, gameplay is bad, depth is bad….kinda like it is now.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I mean yeah. In a realistic world.
But in today’s society it’s now now now!! Everyone wants results immediately.

If we get a new coach and he starts building team depth and things are looking good. I would give them atleast 4 seasons to start rolling.

Of course it’s a different story if they are missing out on recruits, gameplay is bad, depth is bad….kinda like it is now.

But we don't know if Hurley is rolling. That is entirely the point. There's more evidence that to the former is the point. You're making a lot of assumptions off this 17 game season.

Archie Miller was fired after 4 years.

This is a power 5 program that is top 5 in wins all time. The new coach will get 4-5 years max.

Hurley is a losing streak away from being on the hot seat.

 

[Orangezoo]

I mean yeah. In a realistic world.
But in today’s society it’s now now now!! Everyone wants results immediately.

If we get a new coach and he starts building team depth and things are looking good. I would give them atleast 4 seasons to start rolling.

Of course it’s a different story if they are missing out on recruits, gameplay is bad, depth is bad….kinda like it is now.

One thing to keep in mind is that despite UConn and their titles, we are a ways ahead of them in terms of facilities and resources along with venue. So a new coach, if a higher profile hire, should have an advantage vs someone like Hurley and the results follow on an appropriate timeline.

Also don't forget Hurley didn't replace Calhoun. He jumped in after the mess with Ollie. So again a little different there.

 

[Newhouser]

All this talk about Hurley - only thing I know in watching UCONN a few times this year is that they would boat race us. Bigger, stronger, more athletic and more skilled. I watched them play Seton Hall when Kadary went off and was envious of pretty much every player on the court for both teams.

 

[CousCuse]

I mean yeah. In a realistic world.
But in today’s society it’s now now now!! Everyone wants results immediately.

If we get a new coach and he starts building team depth and things are looking good. I would give them atleast 4 seasons to start rolling.

Of course it’s a different story if they are missing out on recruits, gameplay is bad, depth is bad….kinda like it is now.

A new coach will probably have to gut the roster to get players that will play his brand of ball because they probably won't be a zone D team. So the first couple of seasons could be very bad and that could mean an empty dome for some time.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

A new coach will probably have to gut the roster to get players that will play his brand of ball because they probably won't be a zone D team. So the first couple of seasons could be very bad and that could mean an empty dome for some time.

I guess it will be a good thing we only have 7 of our 13 scholarships used then. Not much to gut.

 

[CousCuse]

I guess it will be a good thing we only have 7 of our 13 scholarships used then. Not much to gut.

This reminds me of stories I've read about war. Like the WWI, for instance. It was all going to be over real fast and things would be great again, then 5 years later millions dead and maimed untold damage done, then people didn't think it was such a good idea.

 

[Orangezoo]

This reminds me of stories I've read about war. Like the WWI, for instance. It was all going to be over real fast and things would be great again, then 5 years later millions dead and maimed untold damage done, then people didn't think it was such a good idea.

What is analogies that don't work , Alex?

 

[CousCuse]

What is analogies that don't work , Alex?

Severely underestimating the task at hand is my analogy. This program has deep roots, for going on 60 years, many of the people involved in it have lived most of their working lives in the Syracuse community, raising families doing charity work, etc, etc. There is a lot to consider.

 

[ForCuseSake]

This post is crazy talk those 3 guys can find another job coaching basketball in 5 minutes if they had to but its not going to be as good as one of the 3 assistant spots at a blue blood college basketball superpower. Of course they will ride out the JB era and then move on if they aren't given the head coaching job. I think the new coach would strongly consider retaining 1/3 at least for the first year or two.

Never said these guys wouldn't be able to find another job coaching high level hoops or that sticking around is career suicide.

My point was that the level of instability, from remaining loyal as the program plummets, is tough to manage. None of these guys are vagabonds on their fourth or fifth stop. Griff and Red have a few years at Dayton and VPI while Gmac has never coached anywhere else.

Maybe all three of them are in a place where they won't mind uprooting their family in a few years for another high level assistant coaching gig somewhere else that is likely more expensive to live.

That's the dice they're rolling remaining loyal and riding the Boeheim wave until it reaches shore. Nothing wrong with it and not saying they're making a mistake.

But the uncertainty that accompanies it (where will their next opportunity be and will it be a good fit for their wife and children) takes a toll on people not used to it (i.e. not coaching vagabonds).

Crazy talk, right?

 

[RF2044]

Yeah but Hopkins started with a bang and then has regressed every year.
Hurley has slowly started to build something and is now ranked.

By the way Rhode Island has only ever been to the round of 32 six times in its history. Hurley has two of them. It’s called building a program. Something coaches don’t get to do anymore.

And again when’s the last time we were ranked? You wouldn’t be happy with being ranked and 13-4 record. You are hard to please lol.

Yup. His best success came up front, where he inherited a roster from Lorenzo Romar, who was a mediocre coach but a damn good recruiter.

Those early squads featured Matisse Thybulle, who is a quality player at the NBA level.

Hop started out recruiting well -- landing Stewart, McDaniels, and Quade Green. Two of those guys were one-and-done draft picks, who are also in the NBA. But despite landing those types of players, he couldn't sustain the level of success he had with another coach's players, and the downward spiral began.

Were there other factors? Sure. But the buck stops with the head coach.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Severely underestimating the task at hand is my analogy. This program has deep roots, for going on 60 years, many of the people involved in it have lived most of their working lives in the Syracuse community, raising families doing charity work, etc, etc. There is a lot to consider.

Well of course no other college has replaced their legendary basketball coach - ever - while, at the same time, strategies and technology revolutionize the game in ways that had never even been conceived over the previous history of the game.

 

[Gotothehole]

He is actually 2-3 in the NCAAT. He made it to the round of 32 two years in a row at Rhode Island.

At UConn it’s been a slower rebuild than some other schools but it’s progressing. Not every school gets turned around in 1-2 years. He made the tourney just last season.

Jay Wright didn’t make the tourney until year 4 at Nova.
Took Scott Drew 5 years to make the tourney at Baylor.
Leonard Hamilton didn’t make it until 7 years at Florida State.
Bruce Pearl until his 4th year at Auburn.

You have to give these guys time

Nate Oats- Didn't need time.​

 

[SUOrangeSU]

9-8 for Hop right now. Be interesting if he continues to hover around .500, will UW let him go or do a PR "part mutual ways".
Hop will get an interview, no question. Be interesting to see how that plays out

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Yup. His best success came up front, where he inherited a roster from Lorenzo Romar, who was a mediocre coach but a damn good recruiter.

Those early squads featured Matisse Thybulle, who is a quality player at the NBA level.

Hop started out recruiting well -- landing Stewart, McDaniels, and Quade Green. Two of those guys were one-and-done draft picks, who are also in the NBA. But despite landing those types of players, he couldn't sustain the level of success he had with another coach's players, and the downward spiral began.

Were there other factors? Sure. But the buck stops with the head coach.

Can’t imagine how hard it is to build a new recruiting base on the other side of the country while also trying to coach and build a staff. Would have been interesting to see how it would have played out differently here, but that time has passed.

 

[CousCuse]

Nate Oats- Didn't need time.​

The SEC teams are buying the talent, big money NIL contracts. They were doing it before the NIL, but now it's off the hook.

 

[Grbac]

Nate Oats- Didn't need time.​

Didn’t need time for what?
They are no longer ranked, lost 4 of their last 6 and have to play Baylor Auburn and UK the next 3 games.
It’s not all sunshine and rainbows at Bama right now with Oats.

And of course I’d rather have Oats than Hurley because Oats is a heck of a recruiter. But we don’t get to just pick any coach we want.

 

[Orangefan1]

About this season, the make up of the team, everyone coming back next year and if it’s time.

The questions will not be posed to JB, but the post standard will ask Wildhack post season. They are not going to subject Mike or Donna to the wrath of JB at a presser. Back when they were a real newspaper, they’d send a non sports reporter to ask the really difficult questions to protect the beat writers. Will see if they do that again.

Technically it’s JW’s call, but he is in an impossible position. The drumbeats for this not to be run back next year are going to get louder and louder.

It’s going to be a national discussion very soon. The Jay Bilas’s of the world see the personnel decisions. The veiled descriptions about what is going on have already started. It’s just the beginning.

This can end disappointingly, sad or horrifyingly ugly. JB holds those cards.

That’s just the problem he shouldn’t hold any cards this has been the same old same old for eight years

 

[OttosDad]

When is enough enough?? This Pitt game is insane to watch. Benny can't get on the floor at all???? I know he said he's sticking around and going to figure it out, but my god there is no way JBA should be ahead of him in the rotation.

At this point letting Boeheim stick around gets worse by the game. If Wildhack wants to actually fulfill his job requirements he will do what's right in the offseason and force JB out. This program has been firmly entrenched with the Va Tech's, GA Tech's, Miami's of the ACC for years now.

Its easy to recruit against Cuse as long as JB remains the coach. The talent disparity is clear between the top of the ACC. The longer he stays the worse it gets. Capel is nearly incompetent and they lose to him once a year. Its really very embarrassing.

 

[Gotothehole]

Buddy Buckets

 

[JaySU22]

But we don't know if Hurley is rolling. That is entirely the point. There's more evidence that to the former is the point. You're making a lot of assumptions off this 17 game season.

Archie Miller was fired after 4 years.

This is a power 5 program that is top 5 in wins all time. The new coach will get 4-5 years max.

Hurley is a losing streak away from being on the hot seat.

I think you’re underestimating how much they bottomed out the last 2 Ollie years. He’s shown steady progress and now is top 20 while having a good recruiting pipeline. We’ll see how March plays out but they sure seem to have the look of a team that can win 2-3 games then.

 

[HOFCeluck]

This reminds me of stories I've read about war. Like the WWI, for instance. It was all going to be over real fast and things would be great again, then 5 years later millions dead and maimed untold damage done, then people didn't think it was such a good idea.

Similarly didn’t they find Japanese soldiers on some speck of land in the South Pacific in like 1973 who still were fighting for their Emperor?

I like war analogies.

 

[cuseguy]

One thing to keep in mind is that despite UConn and their titles, we are a ways ahead of them in terms of facilities and resources along with venue. So a new coach, if a higher profile hire, should have an advantage vs someone like Hurley and the results follow on an appropriate timeline.

Also don't forget Hurley didn't replace Calhoun. He jumped in after the mess with Ollie. So again a little different there.

We’re not ahead of UConn in terms of facilities and resources

 

[cuseguy]

But we don't know if Hurley is rolling. That is entirely the point. There's more evidence that to the former is the point. You're making a lot of assumptions off this 17 game season.

Archie Miller was fired after 4 years.

This is a power 5 program that is top 5 in wins all time. The new coach will get 4-5 years max.

Hurley is a losing streak away from being on the hot seat.

He’s not close to being on the hot seat. Recruiting is on the upswing.

 

[Orangezoo]

We’re not ahead of UConn in terms of facilities and resources

With the recent announced changes we will be. Also their financial woes in their AD which are well known...