The starting 5 is cooked

[Jasoncuse]

I agree 100 percent. 2 games was a small sample, 3 games seems like 100 now and I’ve seen all I’ve needed to seen.

Agreed - if we're going to have a bad defensive backcourt (which we will regardless of who is playing), we might as well go with the kid that can get buckets, shoot from 3 and has a future here, not too mention has a size advantage. I'll take his mistakes over the kid that is playing a level above where he belongs. We don't run much offensively anyhow, so a "pure" PG is hardly a necessity.

 

[Orangezoo]

Agreed - if we're going to have a bad defensive backcourt (which we will regardless of who is playing), we might as well go with the kid that can get buckets, shoot from 3 and has a future here, not too mention has a size advantage. I'll take his mistakes over the kid that is playing a level above where he belongs. We don't run much offensively anyhow, so a "pure" PG is hardly a necessity.

Moore and Taylor both can defend better than Carlos at this level. Plus Moore reminds me of the type of kid that when he gets the opportunity he will take full advantage of it and really flourish. Not to mention he has no problem being unselfish as well.

You then run your offense more through the big guy. You can use Carlos as a backup with less heat on him and he might give you some really strong games and come up big in spots while he is asked to do what should have been his role day 1 as depth.

 

[Sherman20]

3 games in and the starting 5 needs an edit IMO. I see two options:

1/2 JJ
1/2 Moore
3 Bell
4 Freeman
5 Lampkin

or

1 JJ
2 Bell
3 Davis
4 Freeman
5 Lampkin

Neither option is ideal for obvious reasons. Goodness, we could really use Chance Westry right now. Do we have any other options?

I went back and watched some of the game tape of Carlos against Duke, Princeton and St John’s last season that Dean Francis put together as part of his podcast, and I have to say he’s not the same player we’re seeing so far this season. At all. I don’t know what’s going on with Carlos but he was pretty good against all three teams in the game tape. He wasn’t a star but he defended pretty well, ran the offense really well, found the open man and dished out assists, drove to the hoop and knocked down some jumpers. And hit free throws! I don’t know why he’s struggling but it’s kind of shocking how bad he’s been. hopefully our coaching staff can get him adjusted and he gets his head on straight and gets back to how he was playing last year. He should be able to at least give us 20 mpg at PG.

 

[Orangezoo]

I went back and watched some of the game tape of Carlos against Duke, Princeton and St John’s last season that Dean Francis put together as part of his podcast, and I have to say he’s not the same player we’re seeing so far this season. At all. I don’t know what’s going on with Carlos but he was pretty good against all three teams in the game tape. He wasn’t a star but he defended pretty well, ran the offense really well, found the open man and dished out assists, drove to the hoop and knocked down some jumpers. And hit free throws! I don’t know why he’s struggling but it’s kind of shocking how bad he’s been. hopefully our coaching staff can get him adjusted and he gets his head on straight and gets back to how he was playing last year. He should be able to at least give us 20 mpg at PG.

Sometimes it’s easier when the lights aren’t as bright. At Hofstra he was there 3 years and comfortable in his role. It’s a different world now with new teammates and new expectations. That is what stands out to me. He was aggressive and confident that first exhibition game controlling the game and since then he’s been very timid and acting like a guy just glad to be on the floor. Not at all the mindset you expect from a NYC guard let alone a kid who to your point has played much better in the past. This is why I have a sneaking suspicion if he comes off the bench he looks more the player we expected, albeit for fewer minutes.

 

[Sherman20]

Sometimes it’s easier when the lights aren’t as bright. At Hofstra he was there 3 years and comfortable in his role. It’s a different world now with new teammates and new expectations. That is what stands out to me. He was aggressive and confident that first exhibition game controlling the game and since then he’s been very timid and acting like a guy just glad to be on the floor. Not at all the mindset you expect from a NYC guard let alone a kid who to your point has played much better in the past. This is why I have a sneaking suspicion if he comes off the bench he looks more the player we expected, albeit for fewer minutes.

I’d definitely look at the possibly of starting Moore. I don’t disagree with that idea. But we still have to hope that Carlos gets his head on straight anr improves at least to backup level. And we have to hope that Chance can return to his pre-injury form by mid season, which is a huge question mark.

 

[5OutFred]

To echo the Choppa Moore sentiment: giving him a starting role and producing a few threes, 8-9 points a game could really open things up for this offense. We know this team desperately needs one more shooter.

Most importantly, gives JJ a lane to drive when the defense has to account for Bell + Moore on the wing.

 

[Ottoman]

I went back and watched some of the game tape of Carlos against Duke, Princeton and St John’s last season that Dean Francis put together as part of his podcast, and I have to say he’s not the same player we’re seeing so far this season. At all. I don’t know what’s going on with Carlos but he was pretty good against all three teams in the game tape. He wasn’t a star but he defended pretty well, ran the offense really well, found the open man and dished out assists, drove to the hoop and knocked down some jumpers. And hit free throws! I don’t know why he’s struggling but it’s kind of shocking how bad he’s been. hopefully our coaching staff can get him adjusted and he gets his head on straight and gets back to how he was playing last year. He should be able to at least give us 20 mpg at PG.

Interesting observations. Either he is in a major funk, or more likely, he was a good system player at Hofstra and his talents don't translate elsewhere.

 

[upperdeck]

Some kids do better when not starting as well.

Coaches see the practices and know what the kids can do. We act like they are trying to not play the best lineup. The have multiple people making the decisions.

 

[Niastri]

Ehhhhhhhhh. I'm guessing next year.

Yup, Davis has proven to be more valuable right now. Majstorovic will probably okay in about half the remaining games, when necessary, for short minutes.

 

[baggerbob]

Some kids do better when not starting as well.

Coaches see the practices and know what the kids can do. We act like they are trying to not play the best lineup. The have multiple people making the decisions.

some people are great in practice and bad in games. Others don't practice well, but when the lights turn on are amazing.

 

[Sherman20]

Interesting observations. Either he is in a major funk, or more likely, he was a good system player at Hofstra and his talents don't translate elsewhere.

I just don’t know how he could play fairly well (not a world beater or anything) against Duke at Cameron (and against St John’s and Princeton), but can’t at least be a decent, steady contributor and PG distributor at Cuse against three mid-majors with way more talent around him. He must be better than he’s showing right now. Hopefully he and the staff can figure it out.

 

[kcsu]

Bell can't continue to be a starter.

Not if plays like he did last game. I think Red needs to start coaching him hard. He has been coddling him as he wants him to not lose his confidence but maybe what he needs is a little tough love. If he ever hopes to sniff the NBA he needs to change. Not sure how that happens but as they say the definition of insanity is...

 

[kcsu]

I think the point is he doesn’t have to be 1 dimensional. He’s choosing to be that with suboptimal efforts on the defensive side. Anybody can learn to be a defensively decent player. Anybody with his length and athleticism for sure

If you have God given gifts and Bell certainly does than playing good D is all about effort and mental toughness. He needs to want it or maybe he needs negative consequences like sitting the bench if he doesn't put in the effort.

 

[kcsu]

Moore and Taylor both can defend better than Carlos at this level. Plus Moore reminds me of the type of kid that when he gets the opportunity he will take full advantage of it and really flourish. Not to mention he has no problem being unselfish as well.

You then run your offense more through the big guy. You can use Carlos as a backup with less heat on him and he might give you some really strong games and come up big in spots while he is asked to do what should have been his role day 1 as depth.

Carlos is a nice backup. He isn't a starting ACC PG.