The UConn grovelling has begun

[orange79]

I think ND may well demand Navy for football to join the ACC. If that happens, we would need to add a BE basketball school for #16 in Hoops. Because of Maryland, St JOhns and Villanova would get such a slot over Georgetown.

Do you really thing the ACC has an appetite for the hybrid model? It seems to go against everything they've said or done.

 

[Townie72]

Do you really thing the ACC has an appetite for the hybrid model? It seems to go against everything they've said or done.

Woad has been eating off of lead plates. His scenarios are getting more and more bizarre. This is just another in his series that starts with "Assuming ND joins the ACC ...".

Now he figures out that ND won't come without Navy as a football only. I guess he figures ND wouldn't be able to schedule Navy OOC.

And because Maryland would block Georgetown, the logical choices --- in this very illogical situation --- would be to invite Villanova or whoever.

The ACC is not going to adopt a hybrid model. The Big East didn't adopt it either. The league organically grew into it. And now the league is coming apart. The ACC has been the strategy leader in this. Hybrids are something you are forced into, It's not something you strategically plan to do.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

UConn is the bad guy because it was UConn and CT AG (now CT Senator) that had the idea and who led the charge on the suit. WVU's president at the time (Hardesty) was apologetic at the time claiming real reluctance at having to sign on to the suit. No such statements from UConn. And not only did the suit name institutions, it named some of the players in the drama.

UConn's the bad guy because their high profile basketball coach couldn't keep his mouth shut and inflamed the situation.

UConn is the bad guy because UConn fans / students pelted BC buses with bottles and rocks.

As an SU fan and impartial viewer of this, UConn is getting exactly what they deserve. It's actually refreshing to see people have to reap what they sow. There's way too little accountability in this world.

Pitt and VT were just as involved in the lawsuit and they are in the ACC.

You're line about accountability is laughable considering Syracuse and Pitt's decision to defect from the BE essentially destroyed the conference. You made the right decision for Syracuse - but don't act so high and mighty about. Sometimes you have to be the 'bad guy' and do what's best for your own program. That's what you did.

A couple of comments by Calhoun and a group of idiot fans throwing rocks doesn't hold any weight in that argument.

But, you're right, continue to paint UConn as the bad guy.

 

[retro44]

Demographics don't continue on in the same direction forever. The migration of so many northerners to the South could taper off significantly or even reverse itself. Sometimes the pendulum swings back in the other direction.

Years ago --- in the 1980's --- I spent a lot of time in North Carolina. Raleigh was a great place. A small, clean town with low real estate prices and plentiful employment in clean industries. When I go there today I can't tell the place from the traffic-choked roads of Northern Virginia. And the cheaper real estate is now in the North.

If the US were to figure out a way to reinvigorate manufacturing, cities like Chigao and Detroit and Pittsburgh might make a further comeback.

Curves don't continue on on the same direction and the same rate forevver. Just ask the people in Arizona ... which will soon be out of water.

you are so right about arizona,but you can throw in nevada also and texas is getting dry.many water intensive industries will be moving back to the great lakes regions and that includes chip plants that require large water mains.

my cousin,who is from palatine,illinois is a priest who is currently in columbia,south america.the catholic church anyways wants him to come back and head to georgia as there is a major shortage here in the states and not so much in s. america.

 

[Townie72]

Pitt and VT were just as involved in the lawsuit and they are in the ACC.

You're line about accountability is laughable considering Syracuse and Pitt's decision to defect from the BE essentially destroyed the conference. You made the right decision for Syracuse - but don't act so high and mighty about. Sometimes you have to be the 'bad guy' and do what's best for your own program. That's what you did.

A couple of comments by Calhoun and a group of idiot fans throwing rocks doesn't hold any weight in that argument.

But, you're right, continue to paint UConn as the bad guy.

All that and no mention of UConn's role in initiating the law suit? Amazing.

The UConn sense of what's owed them ... what they are entitled to --- is galling. They showed up in DI a few years ago. They nevver were an Eastern Indie. They just wanted a piece of the BCS pie. And now they are back in the C-USA. Hard to have any sympathy for that.

 

[Townie72]

you are so right about arizona,but you can throw in nevada also and texas is getting dry.many water intensive industries will be moving back to the great lakes regions and that includes chip plants that require large water mains.

my cousin,who is from palatine,illinois is a priest who is currently in columbia,south america.the catholic church anyways wants him to come back and head to georgia as there is a major shortage here in the states and not so much in s. america.

Not only the water for ship plants, but data centers use of power and heat generated may mean of shift of these to cold climates as well.

As Southern cities become less livable and northern cities housing costs dip, the equation that has driven so much migration changes. And why ship manufacturing jobs to the Carolinas for cheap labor? Send them to Mexico where the rates are cheaper and there is no EPA.

Remember when that nitwit Ross Perot said that NAFTA would be accompanied by a giant whooshing sound. That sound, he said, would be the sound of jobs being sucked out of the US economy. Maybe he wasn't so goofy? Just goofy looking.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

All that and no mention of UConn's role in initiating the law suit? Amazing.

The UConn sense of what's owed them ... what they are entitled to --- is galling. They showed up in DI a few years ago. They nevver were an Eastern Indie. They just wanted a piece of the BCS pie. And now they are back in the C-USA. Hard to have any sympathy for that.

Right, and when the Big East invited UConn to upgrade it was with the intention we would be playing Miami, BC, VT, etc. We sunk millions of dollars into the program with that being the end game.

BC flat out lied about their intentions and we sued them. They stated they were loyal to the Big East while all along negotiating behind the scenes with the ACC.

I can't understand your outrage at a lawsuit, but you are completely ok with BC's actions.

 

[Townie72]

You sunk that money in chasing more money. It was a greed thing. Hard to have sympathy with that.

And when the ACC raided the conference you were completely stunned. It was like you had no understanding of what was actually in the Big East contract. Those schools followed the contract. They had every right to withdraw --- as the litigation proved.

As far as I have read, BC didn't lie. Leahy said all along that BC had no interest in a 16 team conference. When things went in that direction, he opted out. Based on the way things worked out for the 16 team Big East, Leahy was a genius.

Universities don't sue other universities. UConn is paying the price for breaking that unwritten rule.

That whooshing sign that you hear is the toilet flushing on UConn athletics. No invitation is coming. The spots are all filled. Notre Dame isn't going to save you. The Big 12 won't take FSU and open up a spot for you in the ACC. When Blumenthal filed that law suit he signed the UConn death warrant.

BC is now our best friend. A fellow private school in the same conference in the Northeast with whom we have a long history.

Heck, your Governor wants UConn to be best friends with BC too. But first there has to be abject apologies and some reparations paid.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

Universities don't sue other universities. UConn is paying the price for breaking that unwritten rule.

That whooshing sign that you hear is the toilet flushing on UConn athletics. No invitation is coming. The spots are all filled. Notre Dame isn't going to save you. The Big 12 won't take FSU and open up a spot for you in the ACC. When Blumenthal filed that law suit he signed the UConn death warrant.

You can't stand on your soapbox all day and preach about the lawsuit - whatever. It has nothing to do why UConn isn't in the ACC.

The only reason that UConn isn't in the ACC is that BC in an attempt to protect their territory blackballed UConn and proposed Pitt instead.

It has nothing to do with the lawsuit and everything to do with the fact that BC doesn't want UConn on an even playing field with them. UConn has better hoops, a better fan base and now we have better football. All BC has on UConn is bigger tv contract.

If the ACC had to do it from scratch - all things being equal - would they take UConn or BC?

 

[rrlbees]

If the ACC had to do it from scratch - all things being equal - would they take UConn or BC?

BC because the ACC wants ND.

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[midloviking]

Bah, piss on UConn and BC.

 

[omniorange]

Right, and when the Big East invited UConn to upgrade it was with the intention we would be playing Miami, BC, VT, etc. We sunk millions of dollars into the program with that being the end game.

And with this statement, you prove Townie's point of UConn's 'sense of entitlement'.

What about all those institutions who sunk millions of dollars into their football programs without having the guarantee they would ever play in a conference with the likes of a Miami, VT, Pitt, WVU, etc.?

Cheers,
Neil

 

[ConnHuskBask]

And with this statement, you prove Townie's point of UConn's 'sense of entitlement'.

What about all those institutions who sunk millions of dollars into their football programs without having the guarantee they would ever play in a conference with the likes of a Miami, VT, Pitt, WVU, etc.?

Cheers,
Neil

How is what a school in another conference doing at all relevant to the issue at hand?

The Big East invited UConn and Villanova to upgrade in 1997. UConn and the state of CT elected to upgrade to play in Big East - not C-USA 2.0.

In what warped way do you figure that to be a sense of entitlement?

We we're invited to play with Miami, VT, BC and we got Cincy, USF and Louisville. And now exchanged WVU, Cuse and Pitt for more C-USA garbage.

Now we're pissed because what we signed up for, sunk millions of dollars into is drastically different than what we agreed to and we're somehow entitled?

 

[omniorange]

How is what a school in another conference doing at all relevant to the issue at hand?

The Big East invited UConn and Villanova to upgrade in 1997. UConn and the state of CT elected to upgrade to play in Big East - not C-USA 2.0.

In what warped way do you figure that to be a sense of entitlement?

We we're invited to play with Miami, VT, BC and we got Cincy, USF and Louisville. And now exchanged WVU, Cuse and Pitt for more C-USA garbage.

Now we're pissed because what we signed up for, sunk millions of dollars into is drastically different than what we agreed to and we're somehow entitled?

Your reply shows your ignorance. The "presumption" that the conference had to remain "as is" belies the nature of athletic conferences. Particularly considering the fact that the Big East itself had undergone enormous changes from 1990 through 1995 prior to UConn deciding to elevate to 1-A level. The actual invitation to do so was tendered back in 1993 in exchange for a vote to allow West Virginia and Rutgers into the league as full members.

Cheers,
Neil

 

[orangehomer]

How is what a school in another conference doing at all relevant to the issue at hand?

The Big East invited UConn and Villanova to upgrade in 1997. UConn and the state of CT elected to upgrade to play in Big East - not C-USA 2.0.

In what warped way do you figure that to be a sense of entitlement?

We we're invited to play with Miami, VT, BC and we got Cincy, USF and Louisville. And now exchanged WVU, Cuse and Pitt for more C-USA garbage.

Now we're pissed because what we signed up for, sunk millions of dollars into is drastically different than what we agreed to and we're somehow entitled?

so now imagine spending those millions over decades, and being stuck in a league with uconn, and now you get our point of view.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

so now imagine spending those millions over decades, and being stuck in a league with uconn, and now you get our point of view.

I would imagine I would have liked to have spent my millions better if my team could only beat an entitled upstart program like UConn two times since they joined my league in 2004.

Cheers,

ConnHuskBask

 

[Townie72]

You can't stand on your soapbox all day and preach about the lawsuit - whatever. It has nothing to do why UConn isn't in the ACC.

The only reason that UConn isn't in the ACC is that BC in an attempt to protect their territory blackballed UConn and proposed Pitt instead.

It has nothing to do with the lawsuit and everything to do with the fact that BC doesn't want UConn on an even playing field with them. UConn has better hoops, a better fan base and now we have better football. All BC has on UConn is bigger tv contract.

If the ACC had to do it from scratch - all things being equal - would they take UConn or BC?

You are kidding yourself. BC by itself couldn't pull that off. The suit was against the ACC.

Good luck in CUSA II. There's no spot for you in the ACC. You fan base is about to disappear. Pooof!

 

[TexanMark]

so now imagine spending those millions over decades, and being stuck in a league with uconn, and now you get our point of view.

Remember UConn didn't even build their stadium...a gift of CT taxpayers...as for beating us nice job as you caught us at our nadir and your zenith...too bad we won't be playing you again as it looks like we are goin our separate ways.

 

[baggerbob]

For everyone here BC are also the people, who stabbed Jake in the back when the ACC took VT 2nd. They said they would stay in the Big East with us, and behind our back made a deal.

 

[KaiserUEO]

For everyone here BC are also the people, who stabbed Jake in the back when the ACC took VT 2nd. They said they would stay in the Big East with us, and behind our back made a deal.

no. when a 16 team hybred conf of football and hoop onlies was proposed, they said no.

and then worked to get out.

 

[Townie72]

no. when a 16 team hybred conf of football and hoop onlies was proposed, they said no.

and then worked to get out.

And yet there are people like BaggerBob, who have no clue what happened and have a strong opinion based on not knowing.

Makes me want to re-read "The Oxbow Incident".

 

[Townie72]

One of the many benefits of SU going to the ACC is the near dissappearance of Rutgers and UConn supporters on the SU forums. Except for the ConnHuskBask here, we haven't heard from previously omnipresent guests like ArizScoutKnight who would appear almost magically after any mention of Rutgers or New Jersey.

They correctly surmise that our response to any of their jabs will be "ACC". To which they have no response. It would have the same effect as showing a cross to a vampire.

Those who miss this can always visit the Rutgers board where the clownish RutgersAl continues his forecasts of greatness unabated. Some are still "guaranteeing" that the Big Ten invitation is inevitable if not in the mail. Others are peddling complicated theories in which the ACC is raided and Rutgers or UConn or both are replacements seizing on any rumor to bolster their case.

We are in a quiet period. The conversations we will have with our new ACC brethren haven't started yet. The old conversations are winding down as more and more people figure out that these schools are irrelevant to SU.

 

[ConnHuskBask]

They correctly surmise that our response to any of their jabs will be "ACC". To which they have no response. It would have the same effect as showing a cross to a vampire.

The response? We'd love to join the ACC as it's far more stable, prestigious and a better revenue generator for our programs.

In the meantime? We'll continue to make Final 4's, win National Titles and win conference championships in football.

When was the last time you could say you did any of those? 2003 in hoops and 2004 for football?

 

[Cuseman78]

The response? We'd love to join the ACC as it's far more stable, prestigious and a better revenue generator for our programs.

In the meantime? We'll continue to make Final 4's, win National Titles and win conference championships in football.

When was the last time you could say you did any of those? 2003 in hoops and 2004 for football?

I'll give you basketball. But stop talking football Husky fan. You're embarrassing yourself.

And save the "but syracuse hasn't been relevant in football for years bit" that the Rutgers fans use to make themselves feel better. Don't make me go through the litany of conference titles, bowl wins, NFL hall of famers, etc etc.

 

[Townie72]

The response? We'd love to join the ACC as it's far more stable, prestigious and a better revenue generator for our programs.

In the meantime? We'll continue to make Final 4's, win National Titles and win conference championships in football.

When was the last time you could say you did any of those? 2003 in hoops and 2004 for football?

ACC!