First off Dave85's argument is silly and I have dismissed it. So I can't go off his silly premise.
I mean, I see your entire response filled with swiss cheese holes. What's frustrating is how you label things and then create absolutes "this will NEVER happen" when the real world is not made of absolutes. You strike me as a person who puts his fingers in his/her ears and screams "la la la".
First off, there is nothing silly about Dave85's premise. You label it "silly" then dismiss it without explanation. Are we in middle school debate class?
Let's take what you say point by point.
But to the bigger point, workers can quit too. Who said otherwise? Not me. If you don't like your situation quit. You are asking for "select" students (ie athletes) to demand to be paid. That's ridiculous on every level. They have no leverage to ask and are in no position to win that battle. At a company an EMPLOYEE was hired for a special skill set they have and has been an employee from day 1. So they have the right and some leverage to demand certain things. If they don't get what they want they can quit too if they feel strongly enough about it. Students sign a scholarship...they know what they signed up for. Nobody forced them to sign it, they are doing it of their own free will. To then turn and say I don't want to be a student any longer, pay me because I am an athlete but don't pay other students, just pay the athletes is absurd! It's not gonna happen!
The only reasons athletes have no leverage to demand money is because of the piece of paper they sign every year from the NCAA saying that they are not allowed to. If the courts rule it is unconstitutional, then all of a sudden students CAN demand money. You see how this works? Change the rules and suddenly it's not so "ridiculous on every level".
People seem to forget that back in the day somebody just made up the rules, and if the right people choose, they can just change the rules all over again (or just make changes/exceptions). Anything is possible. Same thing goes for Title IX. All the people ripping their hair out saying "THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE BECAUSE OF TITLE IX!!!!!" forget that just as easily as they created Title IX, they can make changes to it based on certain situations.
People seem to think that just because there is a rock in the middle of the road, it's there forever. Well, we can always just get rid of it.
Trying to compare paid employees who were hired as employees to students who signed onto a college as a student is comical. If a student wants to make money...leave school, and take your skill/trade in whatever sport you are in somewhere and get paid for it. There is nothing stopping them from doing that. You can't have your cake and eat it to. When you sign a scholarship to get FREE room, FREE housing and all the other perks that come with it to go to a university to play a sport ...you know the rules that go with it. Some or most of those rules may be silly and stupid, but they are the rules. You know what you are getting into and what the rules are before you sign that scholarship. If you don't like them...then don't sign the scholarship. You can't sign the scholarship knowing what you signed then turn and say pay me I don't agree with this.
You label a lot of things as "comical, silly and stupid" without offering too deep an explanation. Your argument style is "you can't do X because of Y, and because of that X is silly". A lot of talk, very little actually said. You also have an unusual amount of emotion tied up in your questionable logic, which makes it difficult to debate with you.
This entire paragraph was based on your faulty premise from the previous paragraph. Nothing said here.
You want college "athletes" to be paid. fine. Here is the ONLY way it will work. They aren't students, they are now paid employees. Scholarships go out the window and are no more. The college pays these "athletes" a salary. Since its a salary (either yearly or maybe its 3 or 4 years binding contract, who knows) the college could word it to "prevent" students from jumping to the pros before the contract is expired. Because you are now a "paid athlete" the NCAA under this new pie in the sky system is no different than a major professional sports league. So if you sign a 3 year deal with Ohio St for basketball, and after your freshmen year you have a big year and want to jump to the pros...too bad, Ohio St owns your rights the next 2 years. You signed a deal and got paid! Those days of "jumping to the pros" are over. So, this money the "athlete" is getting paid is now taxed and since im guessing this still is "college sports" they need to be enrolled in the college to qualify to play. So, now the "employee" with their salary, after taxes must pay for room, board, food, they are going to unionize so take union dues out and everything else I am not mentioning as an expense, nothing is free anymore because they are employees. Since these college and major universities aren't cheap...that's gonna cost some. And because of TITLE IX, you can't cherry pick which athletes you pay. Because if you pay some athletes and not all, well there is a line of lawyers waiting to take that case. Slam dunk win for them. So they all must get paid, from woman's field hockey to soccer to track and all of the above. So the "athletes" are going to have to sign a contract, pay for everything themselves, and be tied to the terms of the contract. That's would be the only legal way to have a new system in place. So who is gonna make out better in the long-run in that system, the "athletes" or the "university"...trust me its the university, Student Athletes in this country have the best deal going today, if they want to kick it to the curb and change the system, its short-sided thinking they are only hurting themselves. But it s never going to happen, been talked about for years but there is no legal and logical way to make it work.
Really? This is the ONLY way it will work? The one and only, and no other possible way in the entire universe? Wow, what a black and white world we live in!
You sound like you're trying to scare people out of this. Yes, they can include terms in contracts. Yes, they might potentially screw kids over. But something you forgot, the kids will have agents and lawyers who will be paid to make sure that they are not getting screwed too bad. And if a college wants a high-level recruit really bad, they might need to eliminate the 4 year contract, and have an opt-out option every year. Goes both ways my friend. I think people are going to be shocked how much leverage college recruits are going to have over schools. Wiggins-type players will be treated like Carmelo is being treated this week. Roll out the red carpet.
You remind me of a condescending parent talking to a teenager "Oh you want to get rid of your bicycle and get a car? Well did you know about car insurance, huh? Bet you didn't. Did you know about oil changes, changing tires, drinking and driving, car accidents, etc.". Yes, change comes with potential problems. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be done. Most problems get straightened out over time. Kids learn defensive driving, pay their car insurance, and wear their seat belt eventually. People adapt.
You offer a couple scary possible situations, claim it is the ONLY thing that could happen, then say "Student-athletes" have a way better deal.
I won't be debating with you anymore. You're more interested in fear-mongering and emotional arguments. I don't do emotional arguments. Sorry.
