the wisconsin kid now flipped

[OrangeXtreme]

Does anyone know if the Wisconsin offer just come in, or was it on the table when he committed to SU?

New Offer.

 

[007]

New Offer.

Thank, OX. The flip makes even more sense. Not that it's a good thing, but at least it makes sense.

 

[bnoro]

Good Lord. A PA kid commits to Penn State, the team he rooted for his whole life, and a WI kid commits to Wiscy, where his dad went to school and a team he rooted for his whole life.

THE SKY IS FALLING!

Oh Lord

 

[AAM62]

Good Lord. A PA kid commits to Penn State, the team he rooted for his whole life, and a WI kid commits to Wiscy, where his dad went to school and a team he rooted for his whole life.

THE SKY IS FALLING!

Oh Lord

Cabinda is from Jersey

 

[Lou_C]

Look at it this way...you guys identified a kid that can play major BCS ball, and recognized it before PSU/Wisc did, and were first in. That's ONLY positive. There's nothing you can do about that, relative the state of the programs and your location, but tip your cap. It's life where you are right now. But it's still the right thing to do.

First offers matter, they really do. Not to every kid, and every kid's circumstances are different. I'd be more worried if your commitments/prospects WEREN'T getting offers from some big time programs. You'll see...some will stick because that first offer is special to them, even if most don't.

What are you going to do, not offer the kid? Not accept his commitment? You have to, that's the way it works. A few will stick along the way.

If you took the path that you would only offer kids for whom SU is their best offer, that's a recipe for disaster. You need to have tons of offers out there, and have them out early. You need to take a full class ++ every year, and get them committed as early as you can. Read about Addazio's recruiting...it sounds ridiculous, but he absolutely gets it.

You have a HUGE disadvantage of being in what I would guess might be the worst per-capita area in the country for big time college football prospects. You simply cannot win with local kids.

Stars matter, recruiting matters. You've got a hill to climb and you need to be incredibly aggressive.

I'd argue that it might be worth focusing a little more in the South now that you're in the ACC, where it's more likely to find a really solid player that slips under the radar of the major programs, simply due to the volume of great athletes. But on the flip side, everyone in the country is there looking for the same kids, so even if you find a kid that slips under FSU and UF's radar, you still have to battle Wake Forest, Illinois, Iowa State and everyone else trying to do the same thing.

But as much as I see you questioning your coaches game planning, I'd be focusing more on recruiting right now. You can be bad with really good recruiting, but it doesn't work the other way. It's virtually impossible to be good with poor recruiting. There's maybe 2-3 staffs in the country that have been able to do that, and even then its usually unsustainable.

 

[Moontan]

We only have 1 NY commit.

1.
One.
Uno.
Un.
Single.
Not multiple.


Why

The rest are all going to Buffalo. They are drawn to easier access to Canada and the associated benefits.


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[gmoney44]

Oh well.

Next

 

[retro44]

depends on the kid. Someone with the other factors and variables in play like here or just a front runner kid who wants immediate likely team success could flip when this type thing occurs. Less common to find the devoted kid who sees his chosen team struggle, who also may have other big time or bigger offers, who then stays true to his initial word and then also wants to fight the good fight, early playing time or not, to get a program over the hump.

It's why its such a GD travesty to let such a historic and successful program slip back then like we did. The hole to crawl out of is so challenging, and is why generally in college football the rich get richer. We gotta get to "richer" status again but the huge challenges remain to getting there. And you gotta find kids up for that challenge which is harder, obviously, vs the currently more successful programs.

cheat like the SEC...

 

[PhatOrange]

I'm surprised the negatoids care. The kid was after all the lowest rated recruit we had (2 star 5.4 rating) who had offers from central Michigan and north dakota state. This is the kid they were rolling their eyes about and now they're pissed he's gone- makes sense. Complainers gotta complain.

 

[tep624]

Cabinda is from Jersey

He might as well be in PA. That area as far as football goes is a strong PSU area.

 

[tep624]

We only have 1 NY commit.

1.
One.
Uno.
Un.
Single.
Not multiple.


Why

Uh, maybe because we've offered a sum total of 4 NYS High School kids this year? Samuel committed to OSU, Hayes to ND, Holley is still undecided, and Nas Howard committed here. Hard to have commits when there aren't prospects to recruit. This isn't UB.

 

[cuseguy]

Uh, maybe because we've offered a sum total of 4 NYS High School kids this year? Samuel committed to OSU, Hayes to ND, Holley is still undecided, and Nas Howard committed here. Hard to have commits when there aren't prospects to recruit. This isn't UB.

That's just a crazy low number. I live in Connecticut, a state that produces few high end prospects, and there's three tailbacks headed to Division 1 schools this year.

 

[anomander]

Uh, maybe because we've offered a sum total of 4 NYS High School kids this year? Samuel committed to OSU, Hayes to ND, Holley is still undecided, and Nas Howard committed here. Hard to have commits when there aren't prospects to recruit. This isn't UB.

fwiw the prior regime had offered Jalen Williams, and Justin Noye, both who would be Orange now if they still had an offer. Instead they are at Pitt and UCONN respectively. Also believe we were pretty interested in the Tottenville guard who would have received an offer. Gers has a couple downstate kids I am sure we would have got involved with as well, plus the ASA JC who went to UK. Have to assume Anselmo would have been all over that, plus a few other Nassau/ASA kids. I would bet on at least 7 or 8 NY kids this season if nothing changed

 

[tep624]

fwiw the prior regime had offered Jalen Williams, and Justin Noye, both who would be Orange now if they still had an offer. Instead they are at Pitt and UCONN respectively. Also believe we were pretty interested in the Tottenville guard who would have received an offer. Gers has a couple downstate kids I am sure we would have got involved with as well, plus the ASA JC who went to UK. Have to assume Anselmo would have been all over that, plus a few other Nassau/ASA kids. I would bet on at least 7 or 8 NY kids this season if nothing changed

I'm not denying the mix would have been different had the old staff still been here, but the NYS class this year is extremely top heavy. In prior years the prospects in the 5-9 range in the state were still garnering major level offers and we're not seeing that this year. (And I'm not counting the JUCO's)

 

[anomander]

I'm not denying the mix would have been different had the old staff still been here, but the NYS class this year is extremely top heavy. In prior years the prospects in the 5-9 range in the state were still garnering major level offers and we're not seeing that this year. (And I'm not counting the JUCO's)

While I agree it is a bit top heavy this season (imagine we got McFarland when he was like #15 in the state or something), at least the top seems to be getting better and better. who knows if this would have finally been the year we could have got Holley? I am hoping with the notoriety Samuel and Holley are getting this season that more kids will start getting involved at a younger age. It's an absolute shame their isn't any sort of infrastructure down there grooming all these kids from a young age. I mean mathematically it's almost a miracle they produce so few bcs level kids. If some how some way NYC should start producing talent like a big city could our answer to relevancy could be right there. Who knows maybe with the demise of the Big East and a northeast basketball conference maybe we will see an uptick in football interest in the next decade or so?

 

[GoSU96]

Look at it this way...you guys identified a kid that can play major BCS ball, and recognized it before PSU/Wisc did, and were first in. That's ONLY positive. There's nothing you can do about that, relative the state of the programs and your location, but tip your cap. It's life where you are right now. But it's still the right thing to do.

First offers matter, they really do. Not to every kid, and every kid's circumstances are different. I'd be more worried if your commitments/prospects WEREN'T getting offers from some big time programs. You'll see...some will stick because that first offer is special to them, even if most don't.

What are you going to do, not offer the kid? Not accept his commitment? You have to, that's the way it works. A few will stick along the way.

If you took the path that you would only offer kids for whom SU is their best offer, that's a recipe for disaster. You need to have tons of offers out there, and have them out early. You need to take a full class ++ every year, and get them committed as early as you can. Read about Addazio's recruiting...it sounds ridiculous, but he absolutely gets it.

You have a HUGE disadvantage of being in what I would guess might be the worst per-capita area in the country for big time college football prospects. You simply cannot win with local kids.

Stars matter, recruiting matters. You've got a hill to climb and you need to be incredibly aggressive.

I'd argue that it might be worth focusing a little more in the South now that you're in the ACC, where it's more likely to find a really solid player that slips under the radar of the major programs, simply due to the volume of great athletes. But on the flip side, everyone in the country is there looking for the same kids, so even if you find a kid that slips under FSU and UF's radar, you still have to battle Wake Forest, Illinois, Iowa State and everyone else trying to do the same thing.

But as much as I see you questioning your coaches game planning, I'd be focusing more on recruiting right now. You can be bad with really good recruiting, but it doesn't work the other way. It's virtually impossible to be good with poor recruiting. There's maybe 2-3 staffs in the country that have been able to do that, and even then its usually unsustainable.

Thanks for the 411 on stuff we have no clue about.

 

[OrangePA]

to pop on thisord, on back to back days this isn't good.

Another good example of how Stern seems to pop up on this board when there is bad SU Football news.

He really seems to relish the bad news.

He didn't say anything when Alin Eduard committed but is right on it when we lose a guy.

When we win he's pretty silent. When we lose he post repeatedly.

I just don't get it.

 

[GoSU96]

Another good example of how Stern seems to pop up on this board when there is bad SU Football news.

He really seems to relish the bad news.

He didn't say anything when Alin Eduard committed but is right on it when we lose a guy.

When we win he's pretty silent. When we lose he post repeatedly.

I just don't get it.

What's not to get?

 

[cuseguy]

Another good example of how Stern seems to pop up on this board when there is bad SU Football news.

He really seems to relish the bad news.

He didn't say anything when Alin Eduard committed but is right on it when we lose a guy.

When we win he's pretty silent. When we lose he post repeatedly.

I just don't get it.

For some people, that's their MO.

 

[Bayside44]

Good Lord. A PA kid commits to Penn State, the team he rooted for his whole life, and a WI kid commits to Wiscy, where his dad went to school and a team he rooted for his whole life.

THE SKY IS FALLING!

Oh Lord

The dad thing hasn't worked great for us either though. :noidea:

 

[kirbivore]

Thank, OX. The flip makes even more sense. Not that it's a good thing, but at least it makes sense.

It sucks for SU being on the other side of the flip, but I don't blame the kid. If your dream was to go to "BCS home state U" and you don't get an offer, lock up your second choice. If your dream school doesn't come through, you have a spot. If they do eventually offer you, then you can de-commit from your backup school. When coaches can up and leave whenever they want I've got no problem with players working the system. The way to solve this is to have an early signing period like they do in hoops.

 

[Stern]

Another good example of how Stern seems to pop up on this board when there is bad SU Football news.

He really seems to relish the bad news.

He didn't say anything when Alin Eduard committed but is right on it when we lose a guy.

When we win he's pretty silent. When we lose he post repeatedly.

I just don't get it.

Once again you take a thread completely off topic and make it about me! And I didn't even say anything that bad in this thread for pete sakes. Sorry I don't have the time to post in every thread every day. I actually work and have a family.

I post after every game win or lose, so that's a lie on your part. Your obsession with me is getting scary!! Seriously, you have nothing better to do than attack me in threads? You have far too much time on your hands. What is your objective in even posting this? To get strangers I don't know on a message board to not like me? To try and hurt my feelings? To make me feel left out on this board? Guess what you failed!! lol

 

[IthacaBarrel]

What's not to get?

Exactly. Another local fan! The best

 

[storange]

Another good example of how Stern seems to pop up on this board when there is bad SU Football news.

He really seems to relish the bad news.

He didn't say anything when Alin Eduard committed but is right on it when we lose a guy.

When we win he's pretty silent. When we lose he post repeatedly.

I just don't get it.

He took a course called posting 101 by professor Igor

 

[IthacaBarrel]

He took a course called posting 101 by professor Igor

He wants to compete with Ohio St but won't pay $100 for season tickets, there are thousands of them like that in Syracuse. As I say to all my buddies, much like this. Have you written a check? Support the program and then you can bitch. Clowns