This is COLLEGE football not PRO football our fanbase really needs to understand

[CuseLegacy]

Well, it may be better than that with late-breaking news re Dorch, especially if it's season-ending (not wishing that on him, of course). You know, new information changes things! And, you should note, I said "toss up at best."

I don't think it took that info...Clemson beating them 63-3 should have been enough.

 

[Cheriehoop]

He scored 2 TDs.

Thank you Cuse Legacy and OttoinGrotto - my bad. Thought it was his type of game and guess it was and I obviously missed it

 

[OrangeDW]

Well, it may be better than that with late-breaking news re Dorch, especially if it's season-ending (not wishing that on him, of course). You know, new information changes things! And, you should note, I said "toss up at best."

You jumped the gun with your hot take negative prediction, and now you’re waffling.

If we win, you’ll make excuses.

Seems a sad way to go about being a “fan”, to me.

 

[cusefan88]

To me the playcalling has been poor all year. Sean Lewis leaving is now a bigger loss than I initially considered. Maybe it's time for Dino to be more dominant in that department.

 

[cuse10]

A question - I was thinking we would see Howard , did he play at all, I didn't hear his name? Is he possibly being targeted to redshirt?

He had two touchdowns. One of which he bulldozed someone as he ran into the end zone.

I'm upset and pessimistic because of how bad the coordinators are. We know about Ward, but Lynch needs to be called out too. His playcalling has been maddening at times especially when they got into the red zone yesterday. They settled for field goals instead of six because of passes on drives where the run was working. Then he'll get conservative when they need a big play. Why aren't they being asked questions by the media?

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

This mentality again. Sigh. Cou

I would say 40% of this board is melting down.
We lost a game yesterday we were a 3.5 Point favorite.
My god that isn’t even a WTH loss.
We should have won.
Our weakness is we lost LBs from last year who were really good in Bennett and Franklin.
The LBs this year aren’t as good and with Cordy out we lost a guy who could have played LB as a safety.
Watching Evan Foster it looked to be his he was playing hurt. He most likely has an upper body injury as he wasn’t trying to wrap up any tackles he was looking to flip tackle low every time.

We were underdogs at home to Florida State and we were favorites at Pitt.
We split.
We are exactly were the odds say we should be.
This team is a 7-5/8-4 this year.
If you are worried about bowl eligibility it’s because of the past and not this years performance.
UNC- W
NCSU- 50/50 game
at Wake 50/50 game
Louisville- W
Notre Dame 33/67 game
at BC 40/60 game

Our LBs need to get better. That only happens by playing and film study getting better.
It is what it is. We were never going to be an elite team this year. Dino is upgrading the roster. We have flaws.
Yesterday sucked but wasn’t a mid major team we lost too.
It was a game we showed our flaws in but still could have won.

Enough self loathing. We don’t suck.

8-4? Tempted to make an Al McGuire promise right about.now

 

[cuse309]

They are usually the ones who make constant negative predictions and show up when they are right, but more importantly either disappear when they are wrong, or qualify their being wrong with some nonsense.

My favorite was in the thread that was started after the WMU game 6 weeks ago. The point of the thread was that our offense should be worried on how we're going to score, because it was all Dungey vs. WMU. Then the OP bumped the thread yesterday as an, "I told you so". LOL...had to wait 6 weeks for that post to be relevant, but wants credit now.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

My favorite was in the thread that was started after the WMU game 6 weeks ago. The point of the thread was that our offense should be worried on how we're going to score, because it was all Dungey vs. WMU. Then the OP bumped the thread yesterday as an, "I told you so". LOL...had to wait 6 weeks for that post to be relevant, but wants credit now.

Not that poster, but as someone who has been vocal since yesterday I just want to.be clear about MY take. I am not saying to pull Dungey. I think he CAN lead this offense to success. I'm saying trust him to throw the ball. That run, run, run, punt 3 and out midway through the 4th was a major problem. Cant have that. Let him throw. And IF he isn't throwing due to a) injury of b) trust issues then we need to think about a swap. I dont feel.this is an outlandish position

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

We were also playing without Butler and Pierce, two contributing starters (no matter how much people want to look at stats and say ‘no big deal’).

I know it’s football and injuries happen all over. But for SU to be a great team we’re going to need some luck in that department. We’ll almost never be able to go 2nd level or 3rd level and play as well as we want to.

That said there was a real problem in the passing game yesterday with accuracy. I think Dino can put up with some bad D because he knows our pass rush will get us some stops or turnovers, and our offense will keep scoring. That would win us games (in theory). I don’t think Butler and Pierce explain away 20 incompletions, many on safe, easy passes. Has to get fixed. Fast.

I also think we go away from the run game too quickly. That 3rd and 1 where we go empty and have Strickland motion out wide? And Dungey Mahoneys a pass out to him? Head scratcher.

I really think he's hurt...If he's still throwing into the ground in two weeks, we'll know for sure.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

You jumped the gun with your hot take negative prediction, and now you’re waffling.
If we win, you’ll make excuses.

Seems a sad way to go about being a “fan”, to me.

Just a realist, man. I don't do the orange-colored glasses thing.

 

[JRHEETER]

I wish there was a like X's 100 button. It kills me that our fans never seem to learn to not get too far ahead of themselves, and don't get too low. People were calling for 10 wins after beating 4 bad teams. Now that we've played 1 bad game...let me repeat that...1 bad game, I've read everything on here from, we'll never be back now, to Dino has to go, to Dungey needs to go, to we can't get enough talent here to win. Those takes sound like syracuse.com comment section garbage.
Like it or not, this cake isn't done baking. We still are lacking in spots, and that should be expected in year 3 of trying to turn around a simply awful program. We've made progress, and will continue to progress. The path to a rebuild, has it's ups, and has it's downs. It's never just a linear steady jump to being good.
We've played 1 bad game, and still have a realistic shot at 7,8, even 9 wins. If you wouldn't have taken that before the year, you're plain nuts.

Exactly!!!! This season is FAR from lost. People are freaking out but hell, we have two weeks to prepare for UNC and the rest of the season. I still see an 8 win team that gets to a decent bowl. Life is going to be okay, Pitt is our rival (even tho we think Clemson is) and they played us hard. Look what FSU did to Miami yesterday and that’s a team we all claim on here is thrash.

 

[OrangeDW]

Just a realist, man. I don't do the orange-colored glasses thing.

Trolling 101 type statement right there.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

Trolling 101 type statement right there.

Yesterday was a bad loss. Period. To think otherwise is to have Orange Colored Glasses On. We'll have to disagree.

 

[cuse309]

Exactly!!!! This season is FAR from lost. People are freaking out but hell, we have two weeks to prepare for UNC and the rest of the season. I still see an 8 win team that gets to a decent bowl. Life is going to be okay, Pitt is our rival (even tho we think Clemson is) and they played us hard. Look what FSU did to Miami yesterday and that’s a team we all claim on here is thrash.

They are trash though. They had 45 yards of offense in the second half vs. Miami. There is a lot to be said about throwing the records out when rivals play.

 

[OrangeDW]

Yesterday was a bad loss. Period. To think otherwise is to have Orange Colored Glasses On. We'll have to disagree.

What does what you just said have to do with what I said?

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

What does what you just said have to do with what I said?

Responding to:

1. OrangeInBoston: I don't do the orange-colored glasses thing.
2. You: Trolling 101 type statement right there.

That's all...

 

[OrangeDW]

Responding to:

1. OrangeInBoston: I don't do the orange-colored glasses thing.
2. You: Trolling 101 type statement right there.

That's all...

...

Obviously yesterday was a bad loss.

That wasn’t really what we were talking about though.

 

[SaltLakeOrange]

...

Obviously yesterday was a bad loss.

That wasn’t really what we were talking about though.

Okay...Out of context syndrome

 

[RandomGuy]

To me the playcalling has been poor all year. Sean Lewis leaving is now a bigger loss than I initially considered. Maybe it's time for Dino to be more dominant in that department.

It was play calling by committee, last year. Same as this year. It's entirely possible that the play calls are based on available personnel, this year, and not based on last year's personnel... ED's decision on the last play? Yeah. Not his best.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Did Clemson understand it was not pro when they pulled a QB who had done nothing but win at 4-0 because they felt it was in the best interests of the program to try the kid? We need to figure out who the best QB is each and every game. Maybe its still Dungey. I dont know. But just because we are not competing for a title doesnt mean we should not always be trying to figure out how to be the best we can at that moment in time. Maybe its still Dungey. Maybe its not. But we need a QB who we trust to actually, you know, throw the ball. I dont know if Dungey physically can't or is just not being trusted to, but either way, we something is up, and there is no reason Syracuse is the only school that cannot consider making a change if it is in the best interests of the program. Its not outlandish for fans to ask the question.

 

[OrangeDW]

and there is no reason Syracuse is the only school that cannot consider making a change if it is in the best interests of the program. Its not outlandish for fans to ask the question.

I know he struggled throwing the ball yesterday but this is just hyperbolic. A lot of these other schools have QBs that suck. That’s why they change.

Acting like it’s an easy decision to just bench the star senior QB(and yes, he has been a STAR QB) is a bit much.

When the game was crumbling on us in the second quarter and Dungey was really struggling, I would’ve liked to see at least a series of DeVito and maybe more if he came in and played well.

Dungey certainly made some plays to bring us back from down 27-17 to up 34-27 though.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

I know he struggled throwing the ball yesterday but this is just hyperbolic. A lot of these other schools have QBs that suck. That’s why they change.

Acting like it’s an easy decision to just bench the star senior QB(and yes, he has been a STAR QB) is a bit much.

When the game was crumbling on us in the second quarter and Dungey was really struggling, I would’ve liked to see at least a series of DeVito and maybe more if he came in and played well.

Dungey certainly made some plays to bring us back from down 27-17 to up 34-27 though.

Its not an easy decision. And I am not saying bench him. I am asking the question. Is there a physical reason why we went run run run punt in a tie game in the 4th which resulted in Pitt, who had been shredding us getting the ball at midfield? Is it a trust issue? If the answer to either of those is yes, which I am not saying it is but suspect it may be, then it is perfectly fair to to suggest maybe we consider a change. I believe that is a perfectly reasonable, and relatively measured perspective.

 

[OrangeDW]

Its not an easy decision. And I am not saying bench him. I am asking the question. Is there a physical reason why we went run run run punt in a tie game in the 4th which resulted in Pitt, who had been shredding us getting the ball at midfield? Is it a trust issue? If the answer to either of those is yes, which I am not saying it is but suspect it may be, then it is perfectly fair to to suggest maybe we consider a change. I believe that is a perfectly reasonable, and relatively measured perspective.

I was replying more to the “there’s no reason Syracuse is the only one that can’t change QB’s” thing because I’m not sure anyone else out there has anything like our scenario.

The 3 runs and a punt was weird, because Dungey had just made some plays in the passing game on our 17-0 run to take the lead. That was the best he’d looked all game along with the first drive. So it was weird if they didn’t want him throwing at that point, if that was the reason for all the runs.

 

[orangecuse]

We were also playing without Butler and Pierce, two contributing starters (no matter how much people want to look at stats and say ‘no big deal’).

I know it’s football and injuries happen all over. But for SU to be a great team we’re going to need some luck in that department. We’ll almost never be able to go 2nd level or 3rd level and play as well as we want to.

That said there was a real problem in the passing game yesterday with accuracy. I think Dino can put up with some bad D because he knows our pass rush will get us some stops or turnovers, and our offense will keep scoring. That would win us games (in theory). I don’t think Butler and Pierce explain away 20 incompletions, many on safe, easy passes. Has to get fixed. Fast.

I also think we go away from the run game too quickly. That 3rd and 1 where we go empty and have Strickland motion out wide? And Dungey Mahoneys a pass out to him? Head scratcher.

With all due respect, Ugh! We scored 37 points in regulation against a marginal opponent, that should've been more than enough O to win. And, for the most part this season, we've been on the North side of any health bug/excuse considering we are 6 games deep into the season.

This game, in my opinion, was clearly lost on defense. I realize that that fumble 6 was a lucky break for Pitt and unfortunate for us (should've been blown dead) which solidified the momentum, but the mo/dam had already started to leak with that untouched 69 yard scamper just a few moments earlier. That Dungey fumble (if it had been blown dead) would've set up a 3rd and long, and you just sensed how the switch rather instantly just flipped against all of that early mo we had quickly built at 14-0.

From that early 14-0 lead, we were outscored 27-3 one minute into the 3rd before the rain delay. That delay really seemed to benefit SU, as we came out and recaptured the mo back scoring 17 unanswered, but as soon as that happened, Pitt just ran it down our throats again, and our run D couldn't do a thing to stop it, knowing that was what Pitt was going to do. That tied the game at 34.

We got that lucky break on the ensuing possessing on the long gainer pass that should've been ruled out of bounds, and settled for 3. Pitt came right back down the field running the ball, again down our throats, to force the OT at 37.. In that entire Pitt possession, they just rather ho-humly took their sweet 'ol time without any seemingly sense of worry whatsoever, knowing that they would at least, at a minimum, get the FG.

Our LB's are just flat out awful, and significantly undersized physically. Whit is 215 lbs, and Guthrie is 220. These guys can't get off their blocks because of it, and even if in position, struggle to bring guys down as the backs just carry/drag them on for an additional 2-3 yards per play, every play, or so it appeared.

Unfortunately, I don't see much changing in the weeks ahead. Scheme all you want, but this is P5 football and our LB's lack of physical prowess is a major dilemma moving forward.

 

[Alsacs]

I mean we are talking about 18-22 year old kids not pros.
They always going to have lapses and we don’t have the elite talent of the country.
Dino is fixing what was our biggest problem a lack of talent.
Our roster is trying to get to the level of talent that the team we played yesterday has in Pitt.
If we had the players Pitt has had the last last decades I could understand the frustration.
We lost a game that we shouldn’t have in extremely tight game in OT.
Jeez can we stop losing our minds.
Anyone claiming to be a realist and has watched the 6 games this year and doesn’t see an automatic bowl team is either a troll or just extremely frustrated.