This is great. Its free agency. Limited roster sizes. Theoretical salary cap.

[pokercuse08]

No it's just a bad look for college bball. It has nothing to do with me. Whatever happened to working your butt off to earn minutes or sticking through tough times? The sense of entitlement is ridiculous.

You think they're not going to have to work hard to get up to speed and succeed at their new schools? You think it's not tough to go somewhere new and start over?

 

[Briancuse]

You think they're not going to have to work hard to get up to speed and succeed at their new schools? You think it's not tough to go somewhere new and start over?

It is but the slightest problem arises and these kids want to leave. It's not just us and it's not just on the college level. I coached football on the high school level for a couple of years. The sense of entitlement is off the chart and for kids who aren't even that good.

 

[dasher]

No it's just a bad look for college bball. It has nothing to do with me. Whatever happened to working your butt off to earn minutes or sticking through tough times? The sense of entitlement is ridiculous.

No. It's about you. Kids leave schools every day. Every day. And no one cares. No one says hey, what about sticking it out if you don't like it there. It only comes up when a football or basketball player opts to leave. Then the world is coming to an end. You have a problem with kids leaving to get paid. Like everything else, there will be winners and losers in the transfer portal. Some years, we will be winners. Others, maybe not. did you complain when Silent G left Duke to go to Syracuse? did you say he should have stuck it out? You know, through the tough times. Or Chewy? Or any other Syracuse transfer? we have dominated with the transfers we have brought in vs the transfers we have lost in the JB era. Even before that.

 

[690West]

you never wore beer goggles?

People constantly remind me that my wife was wearing them the night we met.

 

[Briancuse]

No. It's about you. Kids leave schools every day. Every day. And no one cares. No one says hey, what about sticking it out if you don't like it there. It only comes up when a football or basketball player opts to leave. Then the world is coming to an end. You have a problem with kids leaving to get paid. Like everything else, there will be winners and losers in the transfer portal. Some years, we will be winners. Others, maybe not. did you complain when Silent G left Duke to go to Syracuse? did you say he should have stuck it out? You know, through the tough times. Or Chewy? Or any other Syracuse transfer? we have dominated with the transfers we have brought in vs the transfers we have lost in the JB era. Even before that.

I don't have a problem with guys leaving to get paid or guys leaving for a better situation. We have like 1300 plus players in the portal and it's March. You don't see a problem there?

 

[pokercuse08]

It is but the slightest problem arises and these kids want to leave. It's not just us and it's not just on the college level. I coached football on the high school level for a couple of years. The sense of entitlement is off the chart and for kids who aren't even that good.

Personally, I notice just as much entitlement (if not more), from older generations. Just in different areas. Older generations sure do love to complain about "kids these days" though.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

I feel like that's because those teams mostly had a glaring hole that had to be plugged with a grad transfer because they had no other options, which is a bad position to start from and makes you more likely to have it be a down year.

But wouldn’t that be the exact case we head into next year if we have 6 guys leave?

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Personally, I notice just as much entitlement (if not more), from older generations. Just in different areas. Older generations sure do love to complain about "kids these days" though.

I actually like to complain about Boomers and Millennials, just because I’m Gen X.

 

[HoustonCuse]

My question is how are so many players dissatisfied with their current teams? It’s hard to believe that so many guys across the country are so fed up with the team they committed to that it is a better option to start over from zero at another place where 5 dudes just bailed because it was so bad for them there.

 

[pokercuse08]

But wouldn’t that be the exact case we head into next year if we have 6 guys leave?

This year is so unique I don't want to draw conclusions, and it depends which six.

Even if we lose 7:
JBA
Bras
Marek
Q
Woody
Sidibe
AG

We have:
1 - Kadary (Girard)
2 - Buddy (Girard)
3 - Benny
4 - ?
5 - Jesse (Frank)

If Q comes back, we have a pretty strong starting five. Even if not, while we're desperate to land a 4, at least the mayhem from the portal means quality will be available... We'll just have to get them up to speed in the zone.

 

[Dcuse]

For who? Who is it a problem for? It's not a problem for the kids. It really isn't a problem for the coaches as long as they are willing to put in the work. There is only one place that it is a problem and that doesn't apply to us. That is the smaller school which brought in a kid who turned out a lot better than anyone could have foreseen. And the big schools let it be known that they are interested now. But, that doesn't apply to us and that isn't what is making you unhappy. You don't want us to lose kids because you think that will make us weaker. And if it is shown that lo and behold, it makes us a better team to have good players leave and better players come in, you will be all in favor. It's not about the rule or the movement. It's about how it effects your Syracuse viewing enjoyment. That is okay. But be honest about it.

Wait a minute..aren’t you the one who said it ruins the fan experience?They are like members of your family and then they are gone. How is it good for a player who is actually contributing to start over somewhere else? Why is it good for Allen Griffen to go to his 3rd school in 3 years when he was the 1st or 2nd leading scorer on his most recent team? And if you think this isn’t a problem for the coaches.....you have no clue. I’m sure they really want to create a brand new team chemistry completely every year with no time to do so. No more guys playing a few years together forming a bond and a chemistry that equates to great basketball.
How anybody can think this is good is beyond me. It sucks.

 

[dasher]

Wait a minute..aren’t you the one who said it ruins the fan experience?They are like members of your family and then they are gone. How is it good for a player who is actually contributing to start over somewhere else? Why is it good for Allen Griffen to go to his 3rd school in 3 years when he was the 1st or 2nd leading scorer on his most recent team? And if you think this isn’t a problem for the coaches...you have no clue. I’m sure they really want to create a brand new team chemistry completely every year with no time to do so. No more guys playing a few years together forming a bond and a chemistry that equates to great basketball.
How anybody can think this is good is beyond me. It sucks.

Once again, two different matters. For me, as a fan, I hate it. Hate it. As a human being, I think it is the only fair thing to do. They aren't pros. As for the coaches, I really don't care. Recruiting players is part of their job,. If this makes it harder, I don't care. I have a federal Gov't that makes my job tougher every day. And the coaches in college don't care about that.

 

[kirbivore]

I have no ill will towards any portal departures, but I don't care what they do after leaving. Like Paulie says to Henry Hill near the end of Goodfellas "Now I gotta turn my back on you."

 

[Scooch]

It is but the slightest problem arises and these kids want to leave. It's not just us and it's not just on the college level. I coached football on the high school level for a couple of years. The sense of entitlement is off the chart and for kids who aren't even that good.

Then blame their parents. You know, our generation. If their “entitlement” is this awful, it’s entirely because their parents enabled it.

This line of criticism makes me nuts. So many adults b!tch about “kids these days” without recognizing their role in shaping them. It’s infuriating.

 

[Briancuse]

Then blame their parents. You know, our generation. If their “entitlement” is this awful, it’s entirely because their parents enabled it.

This line of criticism makes me nuts. So many adults b!tch about “kids these days” without recognizing their role in shaping them. It’s infuriating.

I don't have kids but I don't disagree with that.

 

[pokercuse08]

My question is how are so many players dissatisfied with their current teams? It’s hard to believe that so many guys across the country are so fed up with the team they committed to that it is a better option to start over from zero at another place where 5 dudes just bailed because it was so bad for them there.

Well entering the portal doesn't mean they have to leave, right? I wouldn't be surprised if a significant percentage of these guys are entering the portal just in case, to keep their options open, or to test the waters.

 

[Scooch]

I don't have kids but I don't disagree with that.

Thanks. It’s one of those things that sets me off. Like when dopey Gen X and Boomer parents go on about “back in my day we played outside”. Well, we didn’t have mobile devices shoved into our hands when we were 4. And we weren’t force-fed apps that are specifically designed to be addictive. But it’s the kids fault. Drives me insane.

 

[NineOneSeven]

This year is so unique I don't want to draw conclusions, and it depends which six.

Even if we lose 7:
JBA
Bras
Marek
Q
Woody
Sidibe
AG

We have:
1 - Kadary (Girard)
2 - Buddy (Girard)
3 - Benny
4 - ?
5 - Jesse (Frank)

If Q comes back, we have a pretty strong starting five. Even if not, while we're desperate to land a 4, at least the mayhem from the portal means quality will be available... We'll just have to get them up to speed in the zone.

Yeah... that would be a problem for me, even though some important players would return. One that could be overcome depending on whoever "fills in", but nothing is guaranteed.

 

[jgeorge322]

For who? Who is it a problem for? It's not a problem for the kids. It really isn't a problem for the coaches as long as they are willing to put in the work. There is only one place that it is a problem and that doesn't apply to us. That is the smaller school which brought in a kid who turned out a lot better than anyone could have foreseen. And the big schools let it be known that they are interested now. But, that doesn't apply to us and that isn't what is making you unhappy. You don't want us to lose kids because you think that will make us weaker. And if it is shown that lo and behold, it makes us a better team to have good players leave and better players come in, you will be all in favor. It's not about the rule or the movement. It's about how it effects your Syracuse viewing enjoyment. That is okay. But be honest about it.

Sounds like the underlying rationale for just about every opinion.

 

[dasher]

Sounds like the underlying rationale for just about every opinion.

Really? How so?

 

[jgeorge322]

Really? How so?

people typically want whats best for themselves and put their own interests over others. Its an obvious bias. Why do rich people not want to raise taxes? Theyll tell you its because the govt is wasteful, which may be true. But the more likely reason for the opinion is because it hurts their pocketbook.

btw-i dont think this makes anyone evil. Its just the way of the world.

 

[kidorange]

Is there any roster expansion with the fifth year option?

If not, could many of these kids be left without a chair when the music stops?

 

[Guinness]

I don't know the average age of people that don't like this rule. It seems to me, and my own history, that the younger you are, the more intolerant you are to guys moving on.

It has changed fandom. I think it easier for us older folks to still root for the team but I can understand how younger fans could have trouble adapting to what seems to be such a huge roster turnover year to year. The portal is just the latest step in that.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

What we are seeing is a natural evolution of two factors: 1) long ago, a lot of educational institutions sold their academic souls to get into the entertainment business...i.e. bigtime sports, and 2) there is no minor league development system in football at all, and only the G-League in basketball as opposed to the farm system in baseball. College hoops has become the de-facto AA League for the NBA, bordering on AAA.

Guys will come and go and already I have SU-grad friends who don't remember Kaleb Joseph or Ron Patterson. It is going to happen, which will...I think...change or diminish the fan experience, but maybe make it better for some but not all players. Non-athletes transfer all the time, perhaps for more academic reasons so on the surface at least, unlimited transfers on the sports side seems fair.

After that, the next evolutionary step, of course, is paying the players and then the unintended consequences of the next evolutionary step (for the players) of "real world" issues like "getting fired." At mid-season, a coach looks at his roster and says "I've got three guys who won't see the court this year. Time to downsize them! Buh-bye!" At the same time, let's say Kansas reduces headcount by a couple at mid-season and Tom Izzo says "gee, I could use another small forward and Kansas juts let one go. Hey kid...call your parents to pick you up. Security will watch you pack up your stuff and escort you to the edge of campus." Some kids may not want to leave a school but will find themselves without a home. Does this already happen on a less-obvious scale? Of course. Guys are moved out all the time if the coach really wants them gone. But I do believe that, eventually, it will be like any other business where lower-performing employees are pruned on a very regular basis.

Sure, some of this is tongue in cheek, but the times they are a' changin' in college sports and it won't be terribly long before 4 year guys, or even 3 year guys, will be a thing of the past. Fans won't develop nostalgia for players any more than fans in an A-league baseball town develop nostalgia for some catcher who played there 8 years ago. For many athletes, it will be an improvement, for some it won't be, and the fans will have to decide for themselves how it impacts their spending on the "product".

 

[Scooch]

It has changed fandom. I think it easier for us older folks to still root for the team but I can understand how younger fans could have trouble adapting to what seems to be such a huge roster turnover year to year. The portal is just the latest step in that.

This is very true.

My 13 year old really got into the team this season. We were shooting hoops in the driveway last night, and he was talking excitedly about how good the team could be next season. I had to let him know that Braswell is gone, and Quincy might be gone, and Sidibe & Marek probably won't come back, and there's a chance one of Girard or Kadary could leave, and Newton might go.

Now, he is excited about the incoming players, so it works both ways, but this is all a LOT to follow.

He's an SU fan because I raised him that way. But needless to say, not everyone is a lunatic fan like me. And we live 300 miles from Syracuse. Kid's tend to develop their fandom based on having a parent with a favorite team, or by developing an attachment to a favorite player. The latter hardly exists in college hoops anymore.