This is tommy's third year

[sufandu]

Defense wasn't THE issue. It was one of the issues and was the bigger one today. The oline did TD no favors and it seems like the receivers should be doing more, but TD didn't really show much of a playmaking ability either.

He seemed to be a bit more comfortable in the pocket and put the ball on the money when guys were wide open (did guys become more open because Maryland softened their coverage with a big lead?). He also missed opportunities to step up in the pocket instead of rolling out of it, threw the ball directly to a defender he clearly did not see when no one else was in the area, and threw the ball away on 4th down instead of at least putting it up for grabs.

He seemed to look a little more comfortable. Hopefully he keeps going in that direction.

 

[anomander]

Game experience is the ONLY experience. How long you’ve been in college means NOTHING!

There are true freshman, and redshirt freshman all over the country stepping in and putting up monster numbers. It's not the 70's or 80's anymore where only upperclassmen can be successful. There are plenty of excuses, but this isn't one i will give.

 

[longislandcuse]

There are true freshman, and redshirt freshman all over the country stepping in and putting up monster numbers. It's not the 70's or 80's anymore where only upperclassmen can be successful. There are plenty of excuses, but this isn't one i will give.

Sam Howell has UNC 2-0.

As I’m typing this I’m watching random 3 star freshman Kedon Slovis light up Stanford.

You either have it, or you don’t. Like you said, this isn’t the 80’s anymore.

Now that being said... both UNC and USC have better talent around the QB. Our OL is a disgrace and our skill position players are extremely overrated as of today.

 

[Syracuse153]

Will see what happens against Clemson, he seems to play much better at home all be it a very small sample size.

 

[IthacaMatt]

Guy was fine. The defense blew. C’mon.

Tommy wasn't "fine". He failed to make plays in the first quarter, starting with his first pass of the game, the sideline pass to triple receivers that sailed 10 feet over the guy's head and out of bounds. He had the fumble, the pick and missed a couple receivers early. By the time they started throwing the dink passes to the backs, we were already down 3 touchdowns. He did have 2 or 3 terrific throws down the sidelines, but by that point, the game was already out of hand. I, too, was kind of shocked at his final passing stats.
Was it just me, or were there almost no stats on screen during the course of the game? I didn't even see the usually "end of the quarter" summaries.

It's not all about Tommy, obviously. Both lines were terrible. The O line, you can understand a bit because of the injury to Heckel, which meant we were going with 2 inexperienced tackles. That was rough.

The D line, though, what the hell was that? The got big-boyed yesterday. That was terrible to see.

The other thing that concerned me was how often receivers were getting open in the secondary. That's a supposed strength of this team.

 

[Bayside44]

The d line would've been helped with 3 intentional grounding calls completely missed.

It all snowballed real fast.

 

[TheCusian]

Lots of missed holding calls on the edge too

 

[care taker]

Tommy wasn't "fine". He failed to make plays in the first quarter, starting with his first pass of the game, the sideline pass to triple receivers that sailed 10 feet over the guy's head and out of bounds. He had the fumble, the pick and missed a couple receivers early. By the time they started throwing the dink passes to the backs, we were already down 3 touchdowns. He did have 2 or 3 terrific throws down the sidelines, but by that point, the game was already out of hand. I, too, was kind of shocked at his final passing stats.
Was it just me, or were there almost no stats on screen during the course of the game? I didn't even see the usually "end of the quarter" summaries.

It's not all about Tommy, obviously. Both lines were terrible. The O line, you can understand a bit because of the injury to Heckel, which meant we were going with 2 inexperienced tackles. That was rough.

The D line, though, what the hell was that? The got big-boyed yesterday. That was terrible to see.

The other thing that concerned me was how often receivers were getting open in the secondary. That's a supposed strength of this

Tommy wasn't "fine". He failed to make plays in the first quarter, starting with his first pass of the game, the sideline pass to triple receivers that sailed 10 feet over the guy's head and out of bounds. He had the fumble, the pick and missed a couple receivers early. By the time they started throwing the dink passes to the backs, we were already down 3 touchdowns. He did have 2 or 3 terrific throws down the sidelines, but by that point, the game was already out of hand. I, too, was kind of shocked at his final passing stats.
Was it just me, or were there almost no stats on screen during the course of the game? I didn't even see the usually "end of the quarter" summaries.

It's not all about Tommy, obviously. Both lines were terrible. The O line, you can understand a bit because of the injury to Heckel, which meant we were going with 2 inexperienced tackles. That was rough.

The D line, though, what the hell was that? The got big-boyed yesterday. That was terrible to see.

The other thing that concerned me was how often receivers were getting open in the secondary. That's a supposed strength of this team.

Tommy wasn't "fine". He failed to make plays in the first quarter, starting with his first pass of the game, the sideline pass to triple receivers that sailed 10 feet over the guy's head and out of bounds. He had the fumble, the pick and missed a couple receivers early. By the time they started throwing the dink passes to the backs, we were already down 3 touchdowns. He did have 2 or 3 terrific throws down the sidelines, but by that point, the game was already out of hand. I, too, was kind of shocked at his final passing stats.
Was it just me, or were there almost no stats on screen during the course of the game? I didn't even see the usually "end of the quarter" summaries.

It's not all about Tommy, obviously. Both lines were terrible. The O line, you can understand a bit because of the injury to Heckel, which meant we were going with 2 inexperienced tackles. That was rough.

The D line, though, what the hell was that? The got big-boyed yesterday. That was terrible to see.

The other thing that concerned me was how often receivers were getting open in the secondary. That's a supposed strength of this team.

Matt you still have a black and white TV with rabbit ears ? the first pass was money right through his hands was called drop of the day on SU.com you are dis credited off the bat . The fumble yes it sucks but from behind scrambling it happens every sunday to nfl guys . 28/39 with 7 balls thrown away and 1 drop so that leaves 3 incompletions ( missed nykiem deep) so how many did he actually miss ? im not going to sit and defend a good passing day as thats not our problem .first 2 games both teams played deep pass against us never filled the box and we didn't protect well im kinda of impressed we had some success at all passing ! you guys love beating a dead horse you all state the real issues and then forget the issues ! im not going to state them . Botttom line is WE sucked today

 

[IthacaMatt]

Matt you still have a black and white TV with rabbit ears ? the first pass was money right through his hands was called drop of the day on SU.com you are dis credited off the bat . The fumble yes it sucks but from behind scrambling it happens every sunday to nfl guys . 28/39 with 7 balls thrown away and 1 drop so that leaves 3 incompletions ( missed nykiem deep) so how many did he actually miss ? im not going to sit and defend a good passing day as thats not our problem .first 2 games both teams played deep pass against us never filled the box and we didn't protect well im kinda of impressed we had some success at all passing ! you guys love beating a dead horse you all state the real issues and then forget the issues ! im not going to state them . Botttom line is WE sucked today

You're looking at the stat sheet, dad, not the game. This isn't a video game. By the time Tommy started hitting his receivers we were down multiple scores. Now, most of that is on the defense, but Tommy's turnovers were at inopportune times when the game was still in doubt. Making plays when there are 3 quarters of garbage time is not impressive.

 

[care taker]

You're looking at the stat sheet, dad, not the game. This isn't a video game. By the time Tommy started hitting his receivers we were down multiple scores. Now, most of that is on the defense, but Tommy's turnovers were at inopportune times when the game was still in doubt. Making plays when there are 3 quarters of garbage time is not impressive.

14-0 first qtr is garage time ? Lol I don’t know why I bother

 

[CuseLegacy]

14-0 first qtr is garage time ? Lol I don’t know why I bother

Then my suggestion to you is don't. This is not a place for parents to post during the season, especially after a loss.

 

[USMCSnyper]

A - He is a kid for crying out loud.
B - 3rd year...and first with real bullets being thrown at him. Starting and being the only real QB available is a lot different than coming in as relief for Dungey. Teams geared for Eric, so when TD came in, it was a whole new offense to defend. Now in reverse as teams can watch tape and pick his tendencies.
C - He is a kid. To quote Aaron Rodgers... R.E.L.A.X.

 

[Chip]

I saw one QB that was completely comfortable in the pocket, believing his line would protect him. And another QB who wasn’t. On the run Tommy doesn’t look like it will be our favorite Tommy.

But that’s just one of a LONG list of issues yesterday that appear to be covered here ad nauseam.

 

[IthacaMatt]

14-0 first qtr is garage time ? Lol I don’t know why I bother

We were down 28-7 about 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter after the second of Tommy's turnovers. Like I said, there were 3 quarters of garbage time.

Look, I already said the lines were awful. They were most at fault for the loss, and the secondary was poor in coverage.
But Tommy didn't make plays until the game was out of hand.

And saying that he threw it away seven times does not prove he had a good game. Those are 7 first downs that we didn't pick up. Those are drives that ended. Now, sometimes it's because of coverage, but sometimes it's because maybe the QB misses the opening or makes the wrong read. These things happen.

As I said to the other guy - not to you directly; you felt the need to chime in - Tommy wasn't "fine". When the game was in doubt, he didn't play that well.
After the game was out of reach and we were throwing to the backs to mitigate the effect of the rush, then he hit a bunch of throws in a row, and made his stats look better than the outcome of the game. If I told you before the game that Tommy was going to go 28-39, you would have thought we were winning that game, wouldn't you?

Peace out, Dad.

 

[AZOrange]

There are true freshman, and redshirt freshman all over the country stepping in and putting up monster numbers. It's not the 70's or 80's anymore where only upperclassmen can be successful. There are plenty of excuses, but this isn't one i will give.

I don’t disagree but duration in college means nothing which is my point. Everyone is a different player. Slovis struggled make varsity here then blew but still had only a few offers and none as big as USC. He’s a complete diamond in the rough.

 

[OrangeDW]

We were down 28-7 about 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter after the second of Tommy's turnovers. Like I said, there were 3 quarters of garbage time.

Look, I already said the lines were awful. They were most at fault for the loss, and the secondary was poor in coverage.
But Tommy didn't make plays until the game was out of hand.

And saying that he threw it away seven times does not prove he had a good game. Those are 7 first downs that we didn't pick up. Those are drives that ended. Now, sometimes it's because of coverage, but sometimes it's because maybe the QB misses the opening or makes the wrong read. These things happen.

As I said to the other guy - not to you directly; you felt the need to chime in - Tommy wasn't "fine". When the game was in doubt, he didn't play that well.
After the game was out of reach and we were throwing to the backs to mitigate the effect of the rush, then he hit a bunch of throws in a row, and made his stats look better than the outcome of the game. If I told you before the game that Tommy was going to go 28-39, you would have thought we were winning that game, wouldn't you?

Peace out, Dad.

Thing is, even if Tommy played absolute lights out game of his life level with no turnovers, no bad decisions, hit on everything, etc...

WE STILL WOULDVE LOST BY 20!

20!

Instead we lost by 40. Big deal.

 

[SmilinBob]

If TD is the biggest problem SU has, consider me one happy Orange fan because we are in great shape.

 

[gmoney44]

Sam Howell has UNC 2-0.

As I’m typing this I’m watching random 3 star freshman Kedon Slovis light up Stanford.

You either have it, or you don’t. Like you said, this isn’t the 80’s anymore.

Now that being said... both UNC and USC have better talent around the QB. Our OL is a disgrace and our skill position players are extremely overrated as of today.

But I keep hearing all of our talent at WR is scaring away 4 star kids that want to play immediately. Any WR worth their weight in salt wouldn’t fear our depth at WR.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

We were down 28-7 about 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter after the second of Tommy's turnovers. Like I said, there were 3 quarters of garbage time.

Look, I already said the lines were awful. They were most at fault for the loss, and the secondary was poor in coverage.
But Tommy didn't make plays until the game was out of hand.

And saying that he threw it away seven times does not prove he had a good game. Those are 7 first downs that we didn't pick up. Those are drives that ended. Now, sometimes it's because of coverage, but sometimes it's because maybe the QB misses the opening or makes the wrong read. These things happen.

As I said to the other guy - not to you directly; you felt the need to chime in - Tommy wasn't "fine". When the game was in doubt, he didn't play that well.
After the game was out of reach and we were throwing to the backs to mitigate the effect of the rush, then he hit a bunch of throws in a row, and made his stats look better than the outcome of the game. If I told you before the game that Tommy was going to go 28-39, you would have thought we were winning that game, wouldn't you?

Peace out, Dad.

But he did make plays.

That's a big deal. Yes, rough start to the game, no doubt. But he turned it around.

If there are positives to take from the game, that's a big one. People keep saying less experienced QBs are looking more comfortable. Fair enough. But we've also seen other QBs melt down when games aren't going right, and that's not what happened to our guy.

 

[longislandcuse]

A - He is a kid for crying out loud.
B - 3rd year...and first with real bullets being thrown at him. Starting and being the only real QB available is a lot different than coming in as relief for Dungey. Teams geared for Eric, so when TD came in, it was a whole new offense to defend. Now in reverse as teams can watch tape and pick his tendencies.
C - He is a kid. To quote Aaron Rodgers... R.E.L.A.X.

He’s not a kid. He’s been in the program for 3 years. There’s true freshman starting all over the place in CFB now.

He’s not high on my list of issues after yesterday, but he’s still a worry. He’s moved down thanks to the ridiculous nonsense we saw from our Defense and OL.

I believe he can be good if we put any semblance of talent around him, but I’m not sure Dino can, or can scheme the talent we have, to overcome his lack of mobility and questionable decision making under pressure.

I always thought Dino wanted a pocket passer and Tommy was his dream QB, but he doesn’t seem to be able to recruit on a level high enough to utilize a pure pocket passer in a Power 5 conference.

As an aside, Dino needs to recruit better. Enough with “well it’s Syracuse and this isn’t the 1990s”. Look at programs consistently recruiting higher than us. They’re not all in the Southeast. He needs to be better, or scheme better. You can’t run a pocket passing offense with 3 star linemen that you don’t seem to be able to develop.

 

[SmilinBob]

But I keep hearing all of our talent at WR is scaring away 4 star kids that want to play immediately. Any WR worth their weight in salt wouldn’t fear our depth at WR.

How many even played yesterday before Welch came in?

 

[Acesn8s]

So the thing is this, first and foremost I think this TEAM played like absolute Dumpster Juice today. I think their hearts were not in it, If they were fully in it and I am wrong then we wont win 5 games this year. The defense got shredded, that was problem number 1. You cant beat anybody if your defense gets exposed like that. I do feel like Tommy's stats were a misleading, the fumble happens to everybody just a bad break, my major worry is the interceptions back to back weeks. I think the kid will grow, I think the offensive line has to be much better ,we don't have a QB like Dungey who can make the plays with his feet, so the WR's are going to have to create more separation, but I know the decision making in a very small sample size by our QB has got to improve and I am guessing it will.

 

[Cuse12]

Game experience is the ONLY experience. How long you’ve been in college means NOTHING!

As a former college athlete I PROMISE, the only thing that truly makes you more comfortable is game experience. So he is a new starting QB who showed he progressed greatly from week 1 to week 2. If you don't see that you are blind. The same people who said Devito should start for NC state game last year over Dungey are now the ones calling out Devito and wishing he was more like Dungy LOL. Tommy is going to progress every game and he will slowly become a stud QB. When he leaves I guarantee we will be wishing the next QB was more like Devito! Just relax.

 

[IthacaMatt]

But he did make plays.

That's a big deal. Yes, rough start to the game, no doubt. But he turned it around.

If there are positives to take from the game, that's a big one. People keep saying less experienced QBs are looking more comfortable. Fair enough. But we've also seen other QBs melt down when games aren't going right, and that's not what happened to our guy.

Yes, he made a few terrific throws, including that one where the slot receiver was covered by the LB

 

[TheCusian]

We were down 28-7 about 2 minutes into the 2nd quarter after the second of Tommy's turnovers. Like I said, there were 3 quarters of garbage time.

Look, I already said the lines were awful. They were most at fault for the loss, and the secondary was poor in coverage.
But Tommy didn't make plays until the game was out of hand.

And saying that he threw it away seven times does not prove he had a good game. Those are 7 first downs that we didn't pick up. Those are drives that ended. Now, sometimes it's because of coverage, but sometimes it's because maybe the QB misses the opening or makes the wrong read. These things happen.

As I said to the other guy - not to you directly; you felt the need to chime in - Tommy wasn't "fine". When the game was in doubt, he didn't play that well.
After the game was out of reach and we were throwing to the backs to mitigate the effect of the rush, then he hit a bunch of throws in a row, and made his stats look better than the outcome of the game. If I told you before the game that Tommy was going to go 28-39, you would have thought we were winning that game, wouldn't you?

Peace out, Dad.

We were down 21 in the third - in our O that’s not out of reach. What made it out of reach is we couldn’t stop them, IMO