This Was Inevitable.

[DilemaCuse]

Why inevitable...and who knows... maybe Boeheim finishes like Joe Pa did on the field.

2005	Penn State	11–1	7–1	T–1st	W Orange†	3	3
2006	Penn State	9–4	5–3	T–4th	W Outback	25	24
2007	Penn State	9–4	4–4	T–5th	W Alamo	25
2008	Penn State	11–2	7–1	T–1st	L Rose†	8	8
2009	Penn State	11–2	6–2	T–2nd	W Capital One	8	9
2010	Penn State	7–6	4–4	T–4th	L Outback
2011	Penn State	8–1[n 1]	5–0 [n 1]	(Leaders)[n 1]		12	12

Wow, I forgot or didnt realize they were 8-1 when that scandal forced him out in the middle of a game week in November.

 

[DilemaCuse]

For another comparison sake, here's Bob Knight at IUs final years. No bottoming out but 4 1st rd exits.

1993–94	Indiana	21–9	12–6	3rd	NCAA Division I Sweet 16
1994–95	Indiana	19–12	11–7	T–3rd	NCAA Division I Round of 64
1995–96	Indiana	19–12	12–6	T–2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 64
1996–97	Indiana	22–11	9–9	T–6th	NCAA Division I Round of 64
1997–98	Indiana	20–12	9–7	T–5th	NCAA Division I Round of 32
1998–99	Indiana	23–11	9–7	T–3rd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
1999–00	Indiana	20–9	10–6	5th	NCAA Division I Round of 64

 

[Cusefan0307]

Sadly the majority of the fans who go to games are not the diehards like posters on this board. Additionally, when I say lose the fan base I also am referring to increasing frustration and displeasure from the diehards, as we are currently seeing in all of these threads. Everyone on this board will always be fans, but as noted numerous times, a feeling of apathy is developing.

There’s plenty of diehards that go to the games. I sit next to them. They will still go if we lose. That‘s why they are diehards.

 

[Fly Rodder]

For another comparison sake, here's Bob Knight at IUs final years. No bottoming out but 4 1st rd exits.

1993–94	Indiana	21–9	12–6	3rd	NCAA Division I Sweet 16
1994–95	Indiana	19–12	11–7	T–3rd	NCAA Division I Round of 64
1995–96	Indiana	19–12	12–6	T–2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 64
1996–97	Indiana	22–11	9–9	T–6th	NCAA Division I Round of 64
1997–98	Indiana	20–12	9–7	T–5th	NCAA Division I Round of 32
1998–99	Indiana	23–11	9–7	T–3rd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
1999–00	Indiana	20–9	10–6	5th	NCAA Division I Round of 64

And Knight was only 60 when he was removed at IU, 68 when he retired from Texas Tech.

 

[DilemaCuse]

And Knight was only 60 when he was removed at IU, 68 when he retired from Texas Tech.

Wow, whats JB, 77? Puts it into perspective. Makes you wonder what we are doing here

 

[Cuse1055]

There’s plenty of diehards that go to the games. I sit next to them. They will still go if we lose. That‘s why they are diehards.

But, as someone mentioned in a previous post, the point is that how many of the average 20,000 fans in the Dome are casual fans? Of course diehards like everyone on this board are going to continue going to every game no matter what.

 

[Cusefan0307]

But, as someone mentioned in a previous post, the point is that how many of the average 20,000 fans in the Dome are casual fans? Of course diehards like everyone on this board are going to continue going to every game no matter what.

We have 20,000 sth’s. One would gather most are diehards. Nobody in my section is giving up tickets cause we stink.

 

[Cuse1055]

We have 20,000 sth’s. One would gather most are diehards. Nobody in my section is giving up tickets cause we stink.

Agree to disagree. I’d never give up my season tickets, but I know a handful of people who would, or at least have expressed it. And back to another point: we are already seeing some fans in attendance voice their displeasure during games. If trends on the court continue, how much louder are those boos and vocal frustrations going to get? It could get even uglier real quick. Just wait until Boeheim’s next radio call in show if things continue.

 

[SUFan44]

For another comparison sake, here's Bob Knight at IUs final years. No bottoming out but 4 1st rd exits.

1993–94	Indiana	21–9	12–6	3rd	NCAA Division I Sweet 16
1994–95	Indiana	19–12	11–7	T–3rd	NCAA Division I Round of 64
1995–96	Indiana	19–12	12–6	T–2nd	NCAA Division I Round of 64
1996–97	Indiana	22–11	9–9	T–6th	NCAA Division I Round of 64
1997–98	Indiana	20–12	9–7	T–5th	NCAA Division I Round of 32
1998–99	Indiana	23–11	9–7	T–3rd	NCAA Division I Round of 32
1999–00	Indiana	20–9	10–6	5th	NCAA Division I Round of 64

Actually an interesting comparison.

Double-digit loss seasons:

Knight's first 23 years - 6
Knight's final 6 years - 5

Boeheim's first 38 years - 13
Boeheim's final 8 years - 8

If you want to throw in Texas Tech, Knight had double-digit losses in 10 of his last 12 full head-coaching seasons.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Actually an interesting comparison.

Double-digit loss seasons:

Knight's first 23 years - 6
Knight's final 6 years - 5

Boeheim's first 38 years - 13
Boeheim's final 8 years - 8

If you want to throw in Texas Tech, Knight had double-digit losses in 10 of his last 12 full head-coaching seasons.

It’s too simplistic to look at this way. There’s more games now. We have had teams go 28-10 and 30-10 and they were top 10 teams. We also had multiple teams in the 80’s go like 22-9 that did zero in the tournament. Nobody in their right mind would think those teams that went 22-9 were better. If you’re going to make an argument winning percentage is the better way to go.

 

[Eric15]

And Knight was only 60 when he was removed at IU, 68 when he retired from Texas Tech.

Bob Knight was a year younger here (51) than Paul Rudd is right now.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Bob Knight was a year younger here (51) than Paul Rudd is right now.

Anger will do that to people.

 

[Symphony Steve]

Anger will do that to people.

So will the right hair colorist--or so I'm told.

 

[hoopsupstate]

It doesn't matter, expect another 3 or 4 more years like this, he won't retire anytime soon.

If he waits 4-5 years you will see the Dome nearly empty.

 

[hoopsupstate]

There’s plenty of diehards that go to the games. I sit next to them. They will still go if we lose. That‘s why they are diehards.

I’ve been a diehard for 25 years and I skipped the last three home games and I doubt I go next Tuesday. It’s hard to justify driving 2 hours both ways to watch what‘s being put on the floor.