Thoughts and musings on our offense

[Millhouse]

First off not my SOS formula and second of all if you feel that one game allows you to hurdle 15 other teams then your sense of SOS stinks. If it were that simple then the top 26 slots would be ACC and SEC teams and no one else ... please apply some logic would you?

why don't you give me a link to the rankings you use, i'll do the math and i'll prove it to you

 

[wfschrec]

why don't you give me a link to the rankings you use, i'll do the math and i'll prove it to you

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=37

Here ya go ... I know that your Briles hard-on is gone because they were curbed stomped so you can't get on here and foam at the mouth over how wonderful Baylor is anymore so you need some new number to play with and spout off but quite frankly I really don't care what math you use ... hell I'm sure you can go find some new QB efficiency rating formula to play with but you know what you will find? The last guy to lead the NCAA in QB rating and win a title was Tebow ... go figure.

I'm going to petition that we help you find a new hobby other than making very generalized assertions based off mathematical functions that only tell a part of the story. You aren't Bill James and no matter what formula you use if you can't sit and watch some of the teams we are playing in the ACC and figure out it is a harder schedule I don't really know what to tell you. On top of the fact that our former foes like RU are being shredded by C-USA holdovers should be enough of a clue.

By the way the ACC had a winning record against the BE last season ... aye yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi

 

[Millhouse]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=37

Here ya go ... I know that your Briles hard-on is gone because they were curbed stomped so you can't get on here and foam at the mouth over how wonderful Baylor is anymore so you need some new number to play with and spout off but quite frankly I really don't care what math you use ... hell I'm sure you can go find some new QB efficiency rating formula to play with but you know what you will find? The last guy to lead the NCAA in QB rating and win a title was Tebow ... go figure.

I'm going to petition that we help you find a new hobby other than making very generalized assertions based off mathematical functions that only tell a part of the story. You aren't Bill James and no matter what formula you use if you can't sit and watch some of the teams we are playing in the ACC and figure out it is a harder schedule I don't really know what to tell you. On top of the fact that our former foes like RU are being shredded by C-USA holdovers should be enough of a clue.

By the way the ACC had a winning record against the BE last season ... aye yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi yi

as opposed to you who makes very generalized assertions based on ... ... what exactly?

rutgers, uconn and USF suck.. maryland, wake forest, north carolina state suck.

pitt is pitt as usual

louisville = clemson

guess who that leaves

you've taken the stupid baton from chakka

 

[javadoc]

Good food for thought, CIL.

All I know for certain about this year's passing O is:

• When the QB throws the ball, I wonder whether it will reach the intended target in a place where it can be caught
• Whether the receiver will actually catch the ball when it arrives
• If the receiver can do anything with it after the catch other than run 2 yards and get dropped
• Whether the QB had a good sense of what was happening all over the field and chose the correct read

The first two items seem like basic execution to me, and I don't get the feeling that we are sound in that regard. It would seem that at least one of these is true - we have questionable talent, we have questionable position coaches.

 

[wfschrec]

as opposed to you who makes very generalized assertions based on ... ... what exactly?

rutgers, uconn and USF suck.. maryland, wake forest, north carolina state suck.

pitt is pitt as usual

louisville = clemson

guess who that leaves

Yep and GT is better then the 6 above .. BC is better than the 6 above ... and FYI Maryland is better this year than they were last year (which isn't saying much, although they are bowl eligible and piss pounded WVU) but at least they don't have a starting LB as a QB any longer.

But if you are going to sit here and tell me that Maryland, WF and NC State aren't better than UConn or USF you are dumber than I thought. Again we will play 8 bowl eligible teams and last year only played 7 ... and two BCS bowl caliber squads against one last year.

Of course you like citing FSU ... you do realize USC was #2 when we played them that helped our SOS ... until they tanked ... NW was better last year than this year just based on final record which also accounts for SOS disparity in the other direction to favor last year's squad ... AS A WHOLE WE HAVE A TOUGHER SCHEDULE THIS SEASON. I will not deny the fact that also losing 3 guys to the NFL draft hurt but again we have also upgraded our schedule on top of that talent loss. To say the difference between last year and this year is simply due to FSU is short sighted at best and lazy.

 

[rrlbees]

Well first of all you can't toss anyone ... and this year's Clemson ... hell last year's Clemson would have ransacked the BE too ... and if you are going to sit here and tell me that USF, UConn, Temple and others would have made noise in the ACC then you are delusional .. pretty sure the ACC had a winning record against the BE last season ... was like 5-4 or something like that ... whatever some people just can't see things for what they are .. .we lost good talent and we are playing better teams .. if you can't look at our results and the what has happened to the leftovers in the AAC then I really don't know what to tell you.

FSU skews a lot of things. And I would certainly take last years BE vs this years ACC to be at least comparable. Our very average team, if that, showed at least 3 ACC teams to not be all that. And our team last year would have beat every ACC team this year with the exception of FSU and Clemson. Where did we finish last year?

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[rrlbees]

You mean Shafer had better hire some real proven guys. Therein lies the rub.

Yea, him too. But SU sets the coaching budget and I don't think Shafer didn't have to run his selections thru the AD.

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[rrlbees]

Yep and GT is better then the 6 above .. BC is better than the 6 above ... and FYI Maryland is better this year than they were last year (which isn't saying much, although they are bowl eligible and piss pounded WVU) but at least they don't have a starting LB as a QB any longer. But if you are going to sit here and tell me that Maryland, WF and NC State aren't better than UConn or USF you are dumber than I thought. Again we will play 8 bowl eligible teams and last year only played 7 ... and two BCS bowl caliber squads against one last year. Of course you like citing FSU ... you do realize USC was #2 when we played them that helped our SOS ... until they tanked ... NW was better last year than this year just based on final record which also accounts for SOS disparity in the other direction to favor last year's squad ... AS A WHOLE WE HAVE A TOUGHER SCHEDULE THIS SEASON. I will not deny the fact that also losing 3 guys to the NFL draft hurt but again we have also upgraded our schedule on top of that talent loss. To say the difference between last year and this year is simply due to FSU is short sighted at best and lazy.

FWIW, while SOS isn't used in the BCS poll, the BCS does use Sagarin as one of their computer polls. So they must feel his methods and calculations are valid. His SOS for SU last year was 45. For this year to date it is 46...which includes FSU.

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[wfschrec]

FSU skews a lot of things. And I would certainly take last years BE vs this years ACC to be at least comparable. Our very average team, if that, showed at least 3 ACC teams to not be all that. And our team last year would have beat every ACC team this year with the exception of FSU and Clemson. Where did we finish last year?

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Again last year's BE was under .500 against the ACC and the ACC is better this year. And our "average" team won playing very good defense, oh you mean our lights out team last year that feasted on USF, UConn, an 11 point pounding of Stony Brook, with a 1 point W over pretty much the same Pitt we just lost to, Mizzou, Temple ... and a big surprise over LVille ... yeah real murders row there bees. Other than LVille what win impresses you enough to make the statement they would walk the ACC like that? I loved last season's team but lets put this in perspective ... they were co-BE champs ... they would have at best finished third in the Atlantic of the ACC last season ... and I think if you had cross over game against GT, UNC, Miami or even VT its pretty good shot we would have lost them. I think we should spare the conjecture and just look at what has happened to our BE brethren against C-USA squads like Houston and UCF and then look at this board when we have ACC teams going out and winning games this season and last against SEC foes. If you can't see the difference then I don't know what to tell you. I can say this ... last year we lost two games in conference we have already lost 4 with a chance for 5 this year ... the only game in conference where Nassib and Pugh would have changed the outcome is Pitt ...

 

[wfschrec]

FWIW, while SOS isn't used in the BCS poll, the BCS does use Sagarin as one of their computer polls. So they must feel his methods and calculations are valid. His SOS for SU last year was 45. For this year to date it is 46...which includes FSU.

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Ok and the formula I looked at had it at 33 this year and 45 last year ... and I'm sure Millhouse will use some theorem to give SU an SOS rank of 101 this year and 5 last year ... and quite frankly all the power to him. We are playing teams with better athletes than the BE and it shows, basketball however isn't the same I think the BE was a superior conference to the ACC.

 

[rrlbees]

Ok and the formula I looked at had it at 33 this year and 45 last year ... and I'm sure Millhouse will use some theorem to give SU an SOS rank of 101 this year and 5 last year ... and quite frankly all the power to him. We are playing teams with better athletes than the BE and it shows, basketball however isn't the same I think the BE was a superior conference to the ACC.

I would trust Sagarin over some random site.

Btw, yes the ACC was 5-4 last year vs the BE. Good thing both FSU and Miami played in state 3-9 USF.

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[alphaorange]

So it's settled. Let the guy recruit for 2-3 years and stack the roster. Then we can him and hire a guy that knows how to utilize said talent. When the new guy's offense explodes, recruiting will take care of itself. Perpetual motion machine. Brilliant.

 

[wfschrec]

I would trust Sagarin over some random site.

Btw, yes the ACC was 5-4 last year vs the BE. Good thing both FSU and Miami played in state 3-9 USF.

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That "random site" has more compiled data about the history of college football than any other out there, give me one better ... And ok fine on USF I bothered to count our mighty co-BE champ edging the ACC 7th seed Duke in a bowl game ... seriously ...

 

[rrlbees]

That "random site" has more compiled data about the history of college football than any other out there, give me one better ... And ok fine on USF I bothered to count our mighty co-BE champ edging the ACC 7th seed Duke in a bowl game ... seriously ...

Sagarin is better.

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[wfschrec]

Sagarin is better.

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Well thanks for your insight ...

 

[Chris02M]

Really SU was better? No kidding ... and our schedule wasn't as tough as it is this year ... yes Millhouse those two things have led to a significant difference in our PF/PA for the season ... pretty simple isn't it? Our SOS differential is not just FSU ... sorry buy you just don't get it ... the ACC has 8 bowl eligible teams ... 9 if Cuse wins ... more than the number of teams in the BE last season ... sorry but overall SOS is much stronger this year.

the acc has 10 bowl eligible teams not 8, 11 if we win this week

 

[rrlbees]

the acc has 10 bowl eligible teams not 8, 11 if we win this week

We don't play everyone. The facts have shown our SOS was just as strong last year if not stronger.

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[wfschrec]

We don't play everyone. The facts have shown our SOS was just as strong last year if not stronger.

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Ok last season we played #2 USC, #11 LVille & #20 RU ... Cincy was also ranked #21 briefly ... and we finished co-champs in a league with an 8-5 record while sharing that with two unranked squads and LVille .. our OOC was NW, Minny, USC & Stony Brook & Mizzou (since we only had 7 conf games) ...

So if we do the following and just look at the schedule for each year

2012 2013
NW > NW
Minny < PSU
SB = Tulane
USC > Wagner
LVille < FSU
Cincy < Clemson
RU < GT
Pitt = Pitt
Mizzou > WF
USF < MD
UConn = NC State
Temple < BC

3 games cancel each other out (Pitt, Tulane & SB, UConn & NC State)
I give 3 teams from last season the advantage over squads we played this year (Mizzou over WF, NW over NW and USC over Wagner easily)

I give 6 teams from this season a leg up on teams we played last year (FSU over Ville, CU over Cincy, PSU over Minny, MD over USF, BC over Temple and GT is better than RU was)

 

[rundeal]

That being said, I also understand that dynamic collegiate may not translate to draftability due to size, arm strength, etc. However, outside of DC3 and Mike Williams, I really haven't seen a guy out there that could make plays on his own or gain yards without a large hole. Have you? Alec Lemon was a great productive player for us, and this is by no means a slight against one of the hardest working kids we have had here -- I'm not so sure defensive coordinators stayed up nights wondering how they were going to shut down Lemon.

Sorry, know many people thought this post was awesome, but this part just made me laugh...if DC's weren't losing sleep, there were quite a few that wished they would have. Sorry, still laughing my butt off...

 

[GoSU96]

Ok last season we played #2 USC, #11 LVille & #20 RU ... Cincy was also ranked #21 briefly ... and we finished co-champs in a league with an 8-5 record while sharing that with two unranked squads and LVille .. our OOC was NW, Minny, USC & Stony Brook & Mizzou (since we only had 7 conf games) ...

So if we do the following and just look at the schedule for each year

2012 2013
NW > NW
Minny < PSU
SB = Tulane
USC > Wagner
LVille < FSU
Cincy < Clemson
RU < GT
Pitt = Pitt
Mizzou > WF
USF < MD
UConn = NC State
Temple < BC

3 games cancel each other out (Pitt, Tulane & SB, UConn & NC State)
I give 3 teams from last season the advantage over squads we played this year (Mizzou over WF, NW over NW and USC over Wagner easily)

I give 6 teams from this season a leg up on teams we played last year (FSU over Ville, CU over Cincy, PSU over Minny, MD over USF, BC over Temple and GT is better than RU was)

That is an insane way of comparing schedules.

 

[CIL]

I knew you were going show up! I absolutely meant no disrespect by that post. I respected the way he played the game and what he gave this program.

 

[rundeal]

I knew you were going show up! I absolutely meant no disrespect by that post. I respected the way he played the game and what he gave this program.

No worries - everyone has an opinion. Interesting that you thought I might read it, yet, for whatever reason you went there. Cool beans

 

[rundeal]

Still thought it was hilarious - seriously, I needed the levity!

 

[RF2044]

No worries - everyone has an opinion. Interesting that you thought I might read it, yet, for whatever reason you went there. Cool beans

Mr. L -- sorry that Alec's team is having such a poor season, after how great they were last year. Here's hoping that Alec sticks and has a lengthy NFL career.

 

[rrlbees]

Ok last season we played #2 USC, #11 LVille & #20 RU ... Cincy was also ranked #21 briefly ... and we finished co-champs in a league with an 8-5 record while sharing that with two unranked squads and LVille .. our OOC was NW, Minny, USC & Stony Brook & Mizzou (since we only had 7 conf games) ... So if we do the following and just look at the schedule for each year 2012 2013 NW > NW Minny < PSU SB = Tulane USC > Wagner LVille < FSU Cincy < Clemson RU < GT Pitt = Pitt Mizzou > WF USF < MD UConn = NC State Temple < BC 3 games cancel each other out (Pitt, Tulane & SB, UConn & NC State) I give 3 teams from last season the advantage over squads we played this year (Mizzou over WF, NW over NW and USC over Wagner easily) I give 6 teams from this season a leg up on teams we played last year (FSU over Ville, CU over Cincy, PSU over Minny, MD over USF, BC over Temple and GT is better than RU was)

SOS 45 vs 46.

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