Thoughts from someone new to Cuse football

[OrangeBear]

This is an interesting question that I keep asking myself, and the way it boils down for me right now is: The common denominator in the Minny and Rutgers losses, the shots to the foot, is Nassib's 3 turnovers in each game. If I blame Marrone for that do I blame him for failing to bench Nassib or do I blame Marrone for failing to teach Nassib to make better decisions on the field? Nassib is a 5th year senior who as started the past 31 games.[/

When your team turns the ball over as much as it does and commits stupid penalties over and over, you can certainly blame the coaching staff. Not to mention game changing boneheaded play calls like the 2nd and inches call in the Minn game, that TD could have turned the game around. Today it was the blocked FG returned for a TD. Granted players will make mistakes and coaches can't be blamed for all of them but it's the frequency that matters.

 

[BORZAK]

WHAT WAS BAYLOR'S SHARE OF THE BIG 12 MONEY. TALK IS CHEAP.

 

[Ozcuse]

WHAT WAS BAYLOR'S SHARE OF THE BIG 12 MONEY. TALK IS CHEAP.

What does that matter when everyone in conference is making the same amount? We should be able to compete in the Big East if we're all making the same. Same reason we aren't going to magically change into world beaters in the ACC.

 

[Oakland]

You may be right, but the supernatural rise of Baylor makes me thinks that it is much more than coaching there. Certainly no integrity at the top.

 

[Ozcuse]

You may be right, but the supernatural rise of Baylor makes me thinks that it is much more than coaching there. Certainly no integrity at the top.

What about K-State?

 

[Millhouse]

Maybe not. But showcasing a system and gameplan unique to the northeast could attract better talent.

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that's what they're doing. they're just playing a really bad quarterback. they're in the shotgun all the time, they're throwing all the time. it's not the air raid but whatever. you're getting exactly what you wanted. everyone patted you on the back in september.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

If my math is right weve had 6 coaches in 63 years and 3 in the past 21. Small carousel.

I think Pitt has gone through that many coaches since Marrone has been at SU.

 

[OrangeBear]

You may be right, but the supernatural rise of Baylor makes me thinks that it is much more than coaching there. Certainly no integrity at the top.

Supernatural rise? They got a coach who knows how to build offenses and they are paying him a lot of money. We got RG3 because big time programs wanted him as an athelete and wouldn't promise him the QB position. Art Briles thought he could be a heisman winner and recruited him at QB, the rest is history.

 

[BORZAK]

What does that matter when everyone in conference is making the same amount? We should be able to compete in the Big East if we're all making the same. Same reason we aren't going to magically change into world beaters in the ACC.

REALLY WE WON'T IMPROVE THE ACCOMODATION , PLAYERS LOUNGE, DINING HALL, LOCKER ROOMS,

 

[Fjoinkay]

When your team turns the ball over as much as it does and commits stupid penalties over and over, you can certainly blame the coaching staff. Not to mention game changing boneheaded play calls like the 2nd and inches call in the Minn game, that TD could have turned the game around. Today it was the blocked FG returned for a TD. Granted players will make mistakes and coaches can't be blamed for all of them but it's the frequency that matters.

I agree that some of the pay calls have been very poor and some of the penalties have been very costly. So far both road games have caused the O line to jump off sides too much. It's on the coaching for sure. I think Nassib's problems at this stage in his evolution are on the coaches too. They either haven't given him enough attention or they should have someone else ready to go in the bull pen.

All of that said, HCDM inherited a program at the very bottom of the football world. This team is competitive. Very few coaches are able to build a program from the depths. Marrone has done some very good work, and he's also made some very frustrating mistakes learning on the job. These two road losses are crushing because the resemble each other so much. Add to that the NW loss which was at home and it's mind blowing. At the same time if SU played Rutgers' schedule we wouldn't be having this conversation. It's complicated.

 

[PoppyHart]

that's what they're doing. they're just playing a really bad quarterback. they're in the shotgun all the time, they're throwing all the time. it's not the air raid but whatever. you're getting exactly what you wanted. everyone patted you on the back in september.

He's not "really bad". He's a legit top-40 QB. Unfortunately that's not gonna move the needle with the rest of the problems they have, coaching and otherwise.

 

[Millhouse]

He's not "really bad". He's a legit top-40 QB. Unfortunately that's not gonna move the needle with the rest of the problems they have, coaching and otherwise.

he's top 40 in the big east. he's horrible in conference games. ones opinion of him depends on whether one thinks it's a coincidence

 

[OttoinGrotto]

that's what they're doing. they're just playing a really bad quarterback. they're in the shotgun all the time, they're throwing all the time. it's not the air raid but whatever. you're getting exactly what you wanted. everyone patted you on the back in september.

That's what they're doing this season. It needed to start long before that.

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[PoppyHart]

The hurry up is exceptionally dangerous to the offensive team if you don't have the personnel to run it.

 

[RF2044]

There are many who've felt for quite some time that DM is drowning, but a good chunk of them don't want to make the tough decisions you refer to. It's better to cut bait than double up on a losing hand and delay the judgement day.

Poppy Hart--by the way, I concede that you were right and I was wrong about this team's potential. Starting with Stony Brook, I wholeheartedly believed that we were capable of ripping off 5 straight victories to position us well for bowl eligibility. We won the first one, lost the second one [at Minn]. Even so, I felt like we still had a chance of going 4-1 -- something that seemed possible when we beat Pitt last week.

Even if we beat uconn next week, we go 3-2 over that span. Even with that win--which we haven't earned yet for the record--I just don't see any way that we get to bowl eligibility.

You were right. Sadly, I was wrong.

 

[PoppyHart]

Poppy Hart--by the way, I concede that you were right and I was wrong about this team's potential. Starting with Stony Brook, I wholeheartedly believed that we were capable of ripping off 5 straight victories to position us well for bowl eligibility. We won the first one, lost the second one [at Minn]. Even so, I felt like we still had a chance of going 4-1 -- something that seemed possible when we beat Pitt last week.

Even if we beat uconn next week, we go 3-2 over that span. Even with that win--which we haven't earned yet for the record--I just don't see any way that we get to bowl eligibility.

You were right. Sadly, I was wrong.

It's a maddening team. There was enough talent, given the schedule, to go 9-3 or 10-2, and they should be competitive in every game going forward. It reminds me of the Charlie Weis era at ND, or the current situation at OSU. In most games but can't get out of their own way. Kelly took a couple years to get them back to BCS level, and Meyer took essentially an identical team from 6-7 to possibly 12-0. Obviously, coaching can really make a difference.

 

[syr02esq]

I was thinking the same exact thing! Baylor and SU are similiar schools in a lot of ways and you having gone there can probably understand what I mean by that. You are right in that SU needs a big time player to kick start the turnaround but what bothers me is the number of dumb mistakes this team makes almost every game. If they could just get that corrected, they would have another two more wins right now.

I think the "dumb mistakes" you mentioned are a function of talent. Remember all the dumb mistakes Baylor had under Guy Morriss? How many times did he say we shot ourselves in the foot?