transfers from other big schools - when do they work?

[Millhouse]

not a sarcastic question, i'm sure i'm forgetting somebody

if we can't go head to head with oklahoma and arkansas, I think we need to get guys they didn't see in the first place. not guys they saw, brought in, and decided weren't good enough to play.

we couldn't know this before the season but oklahoma's passing offense is nothing special this year - pretty bad for two games. trevor knight is struggling

transfers need to be guys who everyone missed at lower levels who want to step up. jucos, fcs, whatever

allen to west and funderburke giving way to hunt to clark (juco) and broyld (hopefully)

 

[Upstate]

Russell Wilson worked out well in Wisky, but I don't think it was because of no PT. Sometimes, it's personal, and maybe that's the best way to get transfers... the kids that go west and get homesick, etc. bring them back to the east coast and who knows, they may flourish.

 

[Millhouse]

Russell Wilson worked out well in Wisky

i meant here (should've been more clear). sorry.

tom o'brien must feel pretty stupid. he's the only guy that can stop wilson.

 

[cuseincincy]

not a sarcastic question, i'm sure i'm forgetting somebody

if we can't go head to head with oklahoma and arkansas, I think we need to get guys they didn't see in the first place. not guys they saw, brought in, and decided weren't good enough to play.

we couldn't know this before the season but oklahoma's passing offense is nothing special this year - pretty bad for two games. trevor knight is struggling

transfers need to be guys who everyone missed at lower levels who want to step up. jucos, fcs, whatever

allen to west and funderburke giving way to hunt to clark (juco) and broyld (hopefully)

West was not a transfer. West also caught 43 balls last year. He's not a #1 WR though.

 

[Crusty]

Russell Wilson actually played at NCS - new coach just wanted to start an underclassmen. Coaches want to win now and hard to blame them for that but it can be very short sighted.

 

[orangeinohio]

If you exclude JUCO's, it's kind of a small sample size for SU football transfers.
Here's a starting list:

Drew Allen (Oklahoma)
Quinta Funderburke (Arkansas)
John Raymon (Iowa)
Greg Paulus (Duke)
Adam Harris (Cornell)

Paulus at QB clearly wasn't a big success but I'm not sure any QB would have been on that 2009 team.
He did beat Northwestern.
Harris was a really solid player and leader until concussions ended his career.
The jury's out on Allen, Funderburke, or Raymon.


BTW, here are some of the guys who transferred out recently:
Louie Addazio to BC
Dontez Ford to Pitt
Jake Smith to Arizona
David Legree to Hampton

 

[PhatOrange]

D1 transfers rarely make big impacts or contribute at a high level. I agree with your sentiment.

 

[RMH44]

D1 transfers rarely make big impacts or contribute at a high level. I agree with your sentiment.

One exception to that is Rob Carpenter who transferred from ND to SU and then played in the NFL.

 

[Timonen]

must only work for sec qbs who are headcases. Cam Newton, Mettenberger, mallett, the ole miss kid who came from texas, etc.

 

[Millhouse]

If you exclude JUCO's, it's kind of a small sample size for SU football transfers.
Here's a starting list:

Drew Allen (Oklahoma)
Quinta Funderburke (Arkansas)
John Raymon (Iowa)
Greg Paulus (Duke)
Adam Harris (Cornell)

Paulus at QB clearly wasn't a big success but I'm not sure any QB would have been on that 2009 team.
He did beat Northwestern.
Harris was a really solid player and leader until concussions ended his career.
The jury's out on Allen, Funderburke, or Raymon.


BTW, here are some of the guys who transferred out recently:
Louie Addazio to BC
Dontez Ford to Pitt
Jake Smith to Arizona
David Legree to Hampton

harris was good - although cornell to SU is a big jump - i don't mind those types of transfers

 

[Millhouse]

One exception to that is Rob Carpenter who transferred from ND to SU and then played in the NFL.

that's the one i knew i was forgetting! thanks

 

[Chip]

I think every situation is different. West doesn't count in this one. Pretty sure his issue was one of Stanford admissions, so he never made it there in the first place.

Funderburke didn't see time as a true freshman at a fairly loaded Arkansas team and then his head coach went cuckoo so he left. Hard not to take a flyer on him.

Raymon was only at Iowa for one year, and I also don't believe his issues had anything to do with Iowa thinking he wasn't good enough to contribute.

Allen fits what you're saying. As I said yesterday, I think you have to be really careful bringing in a one year QB like that, especially one who has never played. At least with Wisconsin they got a very experienced Russell Wilson.

I'm still fine with getting transfers who only spend one year at a school. Some people just don't like the choice they made. These kids get major sales pitches that some of them probably aren't ready for. So something might seem great, but you get there and realize "wow, I'm living in Iowa, that was dumb".

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'm still fine with getting transfers who only spend one year at a school. .

That's the sweet spot to me. Still close enough to HS that the film from then is hopefully somewhat indicative of the talent, even if they didn't improve much during the one year at least they were exposed to a collegiate program and a strength and conditioning regiment, and whether they played that freshman season you'll still have them for three years of eligibility once their transfer year is completed.

I also agree with Millhouse though that your better odds might be finding a late bloomer in the FCS or JUCO ranks. There just aren't a whole lot of guys that actually transfer after one season.

 

[orangepassion]

Not a big fan of bringing in one-and-doners, especially QBs with little to no experience. These guys don't even make it here for Spring practice. Can't imagine it's good for team morale and chemistry and by the time they get it (if they ever do), they're gone.

 

[Millhouse]

That's the sweet spot to me. Still close enough to HS that the film from then is hopefully somewhat indicative of the talent, even if they didn't improve much during the one year at least they were exposed to a collegiate program and a strength and conditioning regiment, and whether they played that freshman season you'll still have them for three years of eligibility once their transfer year is completed.

I also agree with Millhouse though that your better odds might be finding a late bloomer in the FCS or JUCO ranks. There just aren't a whole lot of guys that actually transfer after one season.

I don't know where to get the numbers but there are lots of FCS guys in the nfl but not many that transfer up to FBS

8% of the guys at the combine were FCS.

maybe the fcs guys are approached but don't want to lose a year. i'd like to think 2 years here is better than 3 years at maine or whatever

i'd love to see some school roll the dice on that. not neccessarily us though.

 

[Pyle]

not a sarcastic question, i'm sure i'm forgetting somebody

if we can't go head to head with oklahoma and arkansas, I think we need to get guys they didn't see in the first place. not guys they saw, brought in, and decided weren't good enough to play.

we couldn't know this before the season but oklahoma's passing offense is nothing special this year - pretty bad for two games. trevor knight is struggling

transfers need to be guys who everyone missed at lower levels who want to step up. jucos, fcs, whatever

allen to west and funderburke giving way to hunt to clark (juco) and broyld (hopefully)

I agree. Guys like Taj Smith have done alot more for SU than Funderburke.

 

[Chip]

I agree. Guys like Taj Smith have done alot more for SU than Funderburke.

Funderburke has been eligible for all of 2 games and still has 2 years of eligibility after this year. I think it's a bit early to call this one.

But yes, Taj would be some pretty big shoes to fill.

 

[cuseclappy]

If you exclude JUCO's, it's kind of a small sample size for SU football transfers.
Here's a starting list:

Drew Allen (Oklahoma)
Quinta Funderburke (Arkansas)
John Raymon (Iowa)
Greg Paulus (Duke)
Adam Harris (Cornell)

Paulus at QB clearly wasn't a big success but I'm not sure any QB would have been on that 2009 team.
He did beat Northwestern.
Harris was a really solid player and leader until concussions ended his career.
The jury's out on Allen, Funderburke, or Raymon.


BTW, here are some of the guys who transferred out recently:
Louie Addazio to BC
Dontez Ford to Pitt
Jake Smith to Arizona
David Legree to Hampton

Im drawing a total blank, whos jake smith?

 

[RF2044]

I have a feeling that Allen was the staff's attempt to catch lightning in a bottle. They weren't especially happy / confident with what they had at QB, and this kid seemed like a good gamble on paper, solid pedigree, etc. Hell, he still might pan out, as unlikely as that might seem right now.

Wilson isn't a good comparison. He was a highly productive starter who got "benched" because a struggling coach was feeling pressure and decided to go with a highly touted recruit that Wilson was outperforming in order to potentially save his job. So Wilson took his productive show on the road--and we saw what happened at Wisconsin. Allen has never played, so he was a crapshoot.

 

[BlazeOrange]

I don't know where to get the numbers but there are lots of FCS guys in the nfl but not many that transfer up to FBS

8% of the guys at the combine were FCS.

maybe the fcs guys are approached but don't want to lose a year. i'd like to think 2 years here is better than 3 years at maine or whatever

i'd love to see some school roll the dice on that. not neccessarily us though.

I'd be interested in seeing FCS to BCS transfer numbers/examples too. I'd guess that a school on probation might go that route if they have scholarship reductions or lack of recruiting interest due to bowl sanctions, etc. At first I thought it might be a way for PSU to load up while their schollies are lessened, but they still seem to be pulling in top players (and I don't know if transfers who are ineligible to play still count against any of the scholarship limits).

On the original topic - was Randy Moss a transfer or a kick out? Troy Aikman also transferred from OK to UCLA - not sure on the timing of it though.

 

[Timonen]

I'd be interested in seeing FCS to BCS transfer numbers/examples too. I'd guess that a school on probation might go that route if they have scholarship reductions or lack of recruiting interest due to bowl sanctions, etc. At first I thought it might be a way for PSU to load up while their schollies are lessened, but they still seem to be pulling in top players (and I don't know if transfers who are ineligible to play still count against any of the scholarship limits).

On the original topic - was Randy Moss a transfer or a kick out? Troy Aikman also transferred from OK to UCLA - not sure on the timing of it though.

moss was kicked out of ND and FSU.

 

[Timonen]

here's an interesting list looking at guys who transferred in last year (so we have a bit of history to judge). definitely some good guys on here.

seastrunk going from oregon to baylor is an example of high level to high level. wr arnett going tenny to msu is another.

http://athlonsports.com/college-football/college-footballs-transfers-watch-2012

check out these transfers to ville. they're definitely trying to make this work...

WR Robert Clark, Florida to Louisville, WR Matt Milton, Tennessee to Louisville, TE Gerald Christian, Florida to Louisville, Jordan Whiting, Ohio State to Louisville

 

[SUFaninNJ]

Im drawing a total blank, whos jake smith?

Kicker who was at SU for a very short period of time.

 

[retro44]

One exception to that is Rob Carpenter who transferred from ND to SU and then played in the NFL.

Dorsey Levens

 

[tep624]

If you exclude JUCO's, it's kind of a small sample size for SU football transfers.
Here's a starting list:

Drew Allen (Oklahoma)
Quinta Funderburke (Arkansas)
John Raymon (Iowa)
Greg Paulus (Duke)
Adam Harris (Cornell)

Paulus at QB clearly wasn't a big success but I'm not sure any QB would have been on that 2009 team.
He did beat Northwestern.
Harris was a really solid player and leader until concussions ended his career.
The jury's out on Allen, Funderburke, or Raymon.


BTW, here are some of the guys who transferred out recently:
Louie Addazio to BC
Dontez Ford to Pitt
Jake Smith to Arizona
David Legree to Hampton

You're pretty much going to have a laundry list of transfers out if you consider all the guys that left as a result of Marrone.

I thought the two Hostra transfers, Weaver and Cruz, turned out pretty good. Both were starters and Weaver looked pretty good (granted he only played 2 games) until he got hurt.