UConn out of NCAA's for 2013

[rrlbees]

Oops

 

[PauliePeppas]

shocking...Kemba was around for 3 years, plenty of time to share the one book he read with the underclassmen

 

[SouthCampusHero]

I cant imagine ours is something to brag about, though. Im assuming we would qualify...barely?

 

[jordoo]

It will be interesting to see how the NCAA figures out a way for UConn to play and they will.

 

[LoudHouse44]

"For UConn to be eligible in 2012-13, the NCAA would have to change its method and timetable for collecting and releasing APR scores so that eligibility in 2013 is based on the scores from 2010-11 and 2011-12, instead of 2009-10 and 2010-11. That is being studied and will be discussed at the NCAA meetings in February. Scores would have to be revealed before May, as is now the case. Failing that, there also will be appeals."

From the Courant...
http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-ncaa-emmert-1028-20111027,0,4087228.story

 

[dasher]

I wouldn't smirk so much. We will face that sooner or later.

 

[PeteCalvin]

Oops

Oops

Herbst is already trying to spin it and find a way around it. Unbelievable. Ten bucks says Calhoun will just show up to the tourney anyway regardless of what the NCAA says.

 

[PeteCalvin]

"For UConn to be eligible in 2012-13, the NCAA would have to change its method and timetable for collecting and releasing APR scores so that eligibility in 2013 is based on the scores from 2010-11 and 2011-12, instead of 2009-10 and 2010-11. That is being studied and will be discussed at the NCAA meetings in February. Scores would have to be revealed before May, as is now the case. Failing that, there also will be appeals."

From the Courant...
http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-ncaa-emmert-1028-20111027,0,4087228.story

I think the ultimate in poetic justice would have been for them to miss the tourney this season when they pushed the rules to the brink to sign Drummond.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Calhoun announces his retirement in 5 ... 4 ... 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

 

[HeaterCuse22]

I think the ultimate in poetic justice would have been for them to miss the tourney this season when they pushed the rules to the brink to sign Drummond.

Won't Drummond be a drain on their scores in 2012 when he bolts for the NBA after a year of taking or not taking classes like Carmelo did? Or does that scoring already account for that?

 

[jordoo]

I don't understand APR at all. DO they even take into account the level of education that each institution provides. I mean a 3.0 one place is much better than another place. Is it just wether or not the kids are maintaining there classwork and on schedule to graduate?

How in the hell is Kentucky not in a much worse position than anyone else for this APR stuff? . . . . oh never mind.

 

[SkanSU]

Remember when we failed on the rolling APR b/c of the loss of Harris, Flynn, and Devo before graduation... we lost 2 schollies. UConn has already lost 2 schollies this year for failing to meet rolling APR requirements. If Drummond leaves, and I believe he will, that will have to further impact their APR as well. I don't even pretend to understand the stupid APR thing anyway ... but I agree with Jordoo. I can't understand how Kentucky maintains their APR with all their one-and-doners!! Also I had read where UConn was supposed to have gotten their numbers above the required 900.

As usual I am confused by all this!!

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Remember when we failed on the rolling APR b/c of the loss of Harris, Flynn, and Devo before graduation... we lost 2 schollies. UConn has already lost 2 schollies this year for failing to meet rolling APR requirements. If Drummond leaves, and I believe he will, that will have to further impact their APR as well. I don't even pretend to understand the stupid APR thing anyway ... but I agree with Jordoo. I can't understand how Kentucky maintains their APR with all their one-and-doners!! Also I had read where UConn was supposed to have gotten their numbers above the required 900.

As usual I am confused by all this!!

A kid be can be one-and-done, but as long as he finishes out the year with a passing grade, the APR doesn't take a hit.

If a kid stops going to classes after basketball season is over, it will catch up to you sooner or later (see Devo, Flynn, and Harris).

 

[SkanSU]

Got it ... figured out that after reading the new ruling. So as far as Kentucky goes all those one-and-dones were set up for basket weaving 101, basketball 101, etc ... they attended classes and got passing grades before they left for the NBA ... got it. I feel bad for UConn and I don't feel bad for UConn. I know they are going ballistic on their board over this. I feel bad for UConn b/c they are getting punished twice for their low APR .. they lost 2 schollies this year and now they face the loss of post-season tournament play for the same year for which they are now being penalized. I don't feel bad for UConn b/c they have demonstrated a recent history of circumventing those exact penalties that the NCAA laid down. If this goes through and the penalty holds for UConn I wonder how they will figure out how to circumvent it ... and they will.

What I wonder is,"How will this impact their recruiting" and the penalty would surely impact any consideration they might have had for entry into the ACC ... but maybe not. I know after our NCAA violations several years ago we had a couple of down years as I recall ... probably wrong on that too.

 

[jordoo]

What I wonder is,"How will this impact their recruiting" and the penalty would surely impact any consideration they might have had for entry into the ACC ... but maybe not. I know after our NCAA violations several years ago we had a couple of down years as I recall ... probably wrong on that too.

Good point. The longer they are hanging out to dry in the collapsed BE and the longer it takes for them to circumvent these new rules and become eligible for the 13 tourney the more it will effect recruiting. Not to mention these could both effect Calhoun's status.

 

[Rossco123]

As long as they continue to sleaze their way out of scholarship penalties they won’t get a break from the NCAA.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

This kind of thing is just going to encourage more academic fraud. From all the schools. There's too much at stake to allow pesky grades to get in the way.

 

[OburgCuse]

Got it ... figured out that after reading the new ruling. So as far as Kentucky goes all those one-and-dones were set up for basket weaving 101, basketball 101, etc ... they attended classes and got passing grades before they left for the NBA ... got it. I feel bad for UConn and I don't feel bad for UConn. I know they are going ballistic on their board over this. I feel bad for UConn b/c they are getting punished twice for their low APR .. they lost 2 schollies this year and now they face the loss of post-season tournament play for the same year for which they are now being penalized. I don't feel bad for UConn b/c they have demonstrated a recent history of circumventing those exact penalties that the NCAA laid down. If this goes through and the penalty holds for UConn I wonder how they will figure out how to circumvent it ... and they will.

What I wonder is,"How will this impact their recruiting" and the penalty would surely impact any consideration they might have had for entry into the ACC ... but maybe not. I know after our NCAA violations several years ago we had a couple of down years as I recall ... probably wrong on that too.

Aren't the current loss of scholarships there due to the NCAA infractions? The whole Miles recruiting mess? I believe they received 3 years of reduced scholarships as penalty for that.

 

[rrlbees]

Aren't the current loss of scholarships there due to the NCAA infractions? The whole Miles recruiting mess? I believe they received 3 years of reduced scholarships as penalty for that.

No, it is due to the APR scores.

 

[OburgCuse]

No, it is due to the APR scores.

Oh ok, well either way then they have more reductions on the way still due to the Miles things. From Telep's article on Dirty recruiting-

"If you don't establish that deniability, you could get burned the way UConn recently was. The NCAA penalized the Huskies when their recruitment of Nate Miles became complicated by Josh Nochimson, a former team manager turned player agent who was pursuing Miles. Intentional or not, the violation cost UConn head coach Jim Calhoun a brief suspension, a three-season scholarship reduction and three years of probation."

 

[rrlbees]

Oh ok, well either way then they have more reductions on the way still due to the Miles things. From Telep's article on Dirty recruiting-

"If you don't establish that deniability, you could get burned the way UConn recently was. The NCAA penalized the Huskies when their recruitment of Nate Miles became complicated by Josh Nochimson, a former team manager turned player agent who was pursuing Miles. Intentional or not, the violation cost UConn head coach Jim Calhoun a brief suspension, a three-season scholarship reduction and three years of probation."

I think it is 1 per year for 3 years due to the Miles thing but this year there is an additional 2 less for the APR.

 

[OburgCuse]

I think it is 1 per year for 3 years due to the Miles thing but this year there is an additional 2 less for the APR.

Correct. Either way they're walking on a fine line if there are any injuries or defections, but basketball has so much forgiveness as far as numbers of scholarships versus number of players needed to be successful it probably doesn't affect them at all. Us and many other schools have been successful considering that any given year we usually have at least 1 open scholarship and sometimes more and still have guys at the end of the bench not playing.

If the NCAA really wants to penalize schools taking away post-season is the way to go because that will affect recruiting more than reducing scholarships. It is just too bad that APR is such a joke and isn't a very good barometer considering schools basically can control and manipulate their own scores.

 

[TheOkieOrangeman]

Calhoun -since he has lost scholarships will simply have several new straight A student walk-ons to up the grades. No problem for him.

 

[grepal]

Where I see the big impact here is that coaches will need to be careful how many players they force off the roster once it is apparent they don't meet expectations. A few years ago Calhoun virtually remade his oster forcing several kids off the team and out of school. Of note one was Curtis Kelly and anoother was a pint guard teammate of Paul Harris named Garrison who was only brought to UCONN out of desparation for a backup pg. Players leaving early, eho could blame a guy like Kemba, his stock could not possibly go much higher.

SU paid a price for Harris, Flynn and Devo leaving at once. I always thought Devo had obtained his degree, but as I read the stories on APR it seems a school is penalized if a player leaves befor completing four years of playing degree or no degree.

Still it looks like Calhoun will need to change his tactics as he, more than any coach I recall, bullies kids off the roster on a regular basis.

 

[SkanSU]

SU paid a price for Harris, Flynn and Devo leaving at once. I always thought Devo had obtained his degree, but as I read the stories on APR it seems a school is penalized if a player leaves befor completing four years of playing degree or no degree.

Still it looks like Calhoun will need to change his tactics as he, more than any coach I recall, bullies kids off the roster on a regular basis.

No, as OrangeExtreme explained to me and as I read the ruleson APR it is OK if the kid leaves early. It won't impact the APR as long as his grades are acceptable and headed toward graduation when he leaves. I am assuming with Devo, Harris, and Flynn after they decided to head to the NBA they also decided to quit going to classes impacting their final grades and therefore impacting that year's APR... we lost 2 schollies for the year.

Calhoun -since he has lost scholarships will simply have several new straight A student walk-ons to up the grades. No problem for him.

I don't believe that is how it works ... walk-ons don't count toward the APR only scholarship players. I could be wrong but I do think that is how it works. BTW does football and the other sports have an APR that must be accounted for? This seems to impact basketball a lot more.

and, finally,what good is probation anyway? How does that impact anything? Just curious.