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Uh oh- CJ NBA talk

With some improvement in ball handling and range (both are very doable), he could be a Chris Copeland (Knicks) type player. A stretch 4. He is actually much more athletic, though.
6'8 is not an NBA stretch 4.
 
Guys, comparing Fair to KrisJo I don't think is saying much. Kris hasn't proven he can make it in the NBA yet, so we're basically comparing Fair to a D-League guy.

Fair is a 6'8 athlete who has a pretty good jumpshot, but that's about it. What position does he play in the NBA? A 3? He can't create his own shot and isn't a very good ball handler, and his passing leaves much to be desired. And he's not really a catch and shoot guy like James is, CJ usually needs to catch it and take a dribble or 2 before he shoots. A 4? Too small.

Everything has pretty much been covered already. But CJ is a tough matchup for a lot of college guys, but in the NBA he's going to be guarded by guys who are as tall and as athletic, he's going to have trouble even getting his shot off.
 
Melo...LeBron...Copeland...Bass...Beasley...Ed Davis...lots of guys are 6'8-6'9 and play both spots. In case you didn't notice, the NBA is going small. It is more a matter of strength and CJ is getting bigger every year. He only needs another 10 pounds. Stretch 4 is situational position. You could really say it is a swing forward.
 
This.

To me, the three things Fair does better than Joseph at the NBA level are:
1. Low-post game
2. Rebounding
3. Defensive potential

But if we're considering them both to be SFs at the next level (which I think is where Fair will have to play), Joseph is better at:
1. Ball-handling by a good margin
2. Passing by a good margin
3. Creating his own scoring opportunities off the dribble by a pretty good margin

To me, the difference is that Joseph is better at the things that are important for a SF and at least semi-close in the things that Fair is better at.

Fair finishes better in traffic though.
 
Melo...LeBron...Copeland...Bass...Beasley...Ed Davis...lots of guys are 6'8-6'9 and play both spots. In case you didn't notice, the NBA is going small. It is more a matter of strength and CJ is getting bigger every year. He only needs another 10 pounds. Stretch 4 is situational position. You could really say it is a swing forward.

There is a gigantic difference between a Melo, Lebron, and Beasley playing stretch 4 than Fair.
 
People are selling him short.

I think Warrick is a comparison at the NBA level but CJ has a much more well rounded game to make up for not being as athletic as Hak. I think if you add 10 pounds to him he becomes a very good tweener.

I think collectively this board are complete idiots when tehy assume Southerland, Fair, MCW, and BT won't be good defenders at the next level b/c of the zone. No way, these guys are big and tough I assure everyone none of them will be liabilities. All 4 will get a legit look they are all big. I don't know why Brandon doesn't look bigger on the court he's huge in person and being big myself whenever I see basketball guards walking around away from the arena they always seem smaller than expected to me, BT is the only guy I can think of who was way bigger in person than I'd expect.

Now, that said I think CJ's NBA career path will be determined by what the chance he gets is and what kind of team he is on. He's going to need to find the right team and right role to succeed.
 
He's a 6'6" kid without a strong handle, great (or quick) jumper or a ton of quickness. He's a stud at this level, but is too much of a tweener at the next level. CJ would be wise to stay in college, improve even more, become the "man" and improve his stock.
 
Melo...LeBron...Copeland...Bass...Beasley...Ed Davis...lots of guys are 6'8-6'9 and play both spots. In case you didn't notice, the NBA is going small. It is more a matter of strength and CJ is getting bigger every year. He only needs another 10 pounds. Stretch 4 is situational position. You could really say it is a swing forward.
CJ isn't 6'8" or 6'9". He measured in at 6'7" in shoes last summer at Durant's camp.
 
6'8 is not an NBA stretch 4.

Not two years ago - but playing small is the thing right now, thanks to the Heat. I think he is a tweener. That used to be a negative - but scouts and teams are looking for versatile players.

I think his inside and mid-range game will get him a long look.
 
Not two years ago - but playing small is the thing right now, thanks to the Heat. I think he is a tweener. That used to be a negative - but scouts and teams are looking for versatile players.

I think his inside and mid-range game will get him a long look.
The Heat have LeBron.
 
The Heat have LeBron.

Right - they won going small, now other teams are trying to replicate (unsuccessfully - as it helps to have LeBron and Wade). It's a copycat league.

If CJ can continue to hit the 3, esp in pre-draft he will be a late 1st round pick. If we win it all, he could sneak a bit higher. If he stays and has a whole year of being the same as this year but hits more 3's and a more consistent dribble drive, he is late lottery.
 
Right - they won going small, now other teams are trying to replicate (unsuccessfully - as it helps to have LeBron and Wade). It's a copycat league.

If CJ can continue to hit the 3, esp in pre-draft he will be a late 1st round pick. If we win it all, he could sneak a bit higher. If he stays and has a whole year of being the same as this year but hits more 3's and a more consistent dribble drive, he is late lottery.
Who's exactly trying to replicate it? Every GM knows there is 1 LeBron. The Spurs start Duncan and Splitter. I believe OKC starts Ibaka and Perkins (Durant is 6'10 regardless). The Pacers start Hibbert and West. The Bulls start Noah and Boozer. The Knicks Chandler and Melo (obviously Melo is on a different level). Hawks Horford and Josh Smith. Nets Lopez and Reggie Evans. Clippers Blake and DeAndre. Memphis Gasol and Randolph.

Those are most of the good NBA teams (at least off the top of my head)

So I don't see anyone trying to start a 6'8, 220 guy at the 4.
 
Who's exactly trying to replicate it? Every GM knows there is 1 LeBron. The Spurs start Duncan and Splitter. I believe OKC starts Ibaka and Perkins (Durant is 6'10 regardless). The Pacers start Hibbert and West. The Bulls start Noah and Boozer. The Knicks Chandler and Melo (obviously Melo is on a different level). Hawks Horford and Josh Smith. Nets Lopez and Reggie Evans. Clippers Blake and DeAndre. Memphis Gasol and Randolph.

Those are most of the good NBA teams (at least off the top of my head)

So I don't see anyone trying to start a 6'8, 220 guy at the 4.
In the first place, nobody said start, did they? In fact, I'm pretty sure I said situational in my post, although I'd have to check. Every single team has a swing forward on the bench that they play (or can play) in certain situations or with certain match ups. For you to take the absolute stance you are is wrong and your tone is pigheaded, which is something I know something about. The guy can most certainly carve out a career as a journeyman, just as Hak has. Speaking of Hak..what is he? A SF? Not really. A PF? Not really. But he has carved out a decent career and will likely get an NBA pension. Pretty good.
 
Wait, is this true? Potential NBA picks can't throw their names in and just not hire an agent?

They changed the withdraw date to before the pre-draft camp in early June which makes it not worth a players time to do it.
 
They changed the withdraw date to before the pre-draft camp in early June which makes it not worth a players time to do it.

Now that you mention it, this seems familiar.
 
The next two games could be the difference makers. If CJ can explode with 18 & 10 efforts & lead us to a NC - he moves into the first round.SUball
 
Who's exactly trying to replicate it? Every GM knows there is 1 LeBron. The Spurs start Duncan and Splitter. I believe OKC starts Ibaka and Perkins (Durant is 6'10 regardless). The Pacers start Hibbert and West. The Bulls start Noah and Boozer. The Knicks Chandler and Melo (obviously Melo is on a different level). Hawks Horford and Josh Smith. Nets Lopez and Reggie Evans. Clippers Blake and DeAndre. Memphis Gasol and Randolph.

Those are most of the good NBA teams (at least off the top of my head)

So I don't see anyone trying to start a 6'8, 220 guy at the 4.

I didn't say he would be a starter. All of the teams you mentioned run out a small lineup at times - it's a reality in the NBA these days. It used to be "tweeners" would be lost through the cracks and never find a roster spot as GM's wanted "prototypical" size at positions - this is not true any more. I think CJ will we a solid back-up for a team - ala Jimmy Butler in Chicago.
 

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