UNC Academic Fraud Details

[AlaskaSU]

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/10/22/4255098_unc-investigation-bogus-classes.html?rh=1

Too much cynicsm. UNC will get the book thrown at them, everything short of the SMU death penalty: championship disqualified, post season ban and loss of scholly's.

 

[itsbotime]

Too much cynicsm. UNC will get the book thrown at them, everything short of the SMU death penalty: championship disqualified, post season ban and loss of scholly's.

Maybe in Women's BB (that is where the worst misconduct was), but probably not in Men's. Every school has easy courses for athletes.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Maybe in Women's BB (that is where the worst misconduct was), but probably not in Men's. Every school has easy courses for athletes.

At all schools, some classes are easier than others. Your classes are both fake and designed as athletes only. Other students caught on, but the classes were created to enable athletic cheating and it is on an unprecedented scale over many many years. No school has fake classes with predetermined grades. Where is your evidence? NC had enough phony classes that many athletes took mostly phony classes. Given what happened at PSU some people think you will get a wrist slap. It is more likely that the situation is akin to domestic abuse in the NFL. When the public found out the NFL had to do an about face. The NCAA now has no choice but to give you what you deserve. If they don't they know that they will have lost all credibility, every school will cheat and the NCAA will be dead. Brace yourself as you are about to get a reality check. In the meantime enjoy your alternative universe.

 

[DeGrozz]

Sweet, called it:

http://syracusefan.com/threads/unc-academic-fraud-details.81860/#post-1170903

 

[itsbotime]

At all schools, some classes are easier than others. Your classes are both fake and designed as athletes only. Other students caught on, but the classes were created to enable athletic cheating and it is on an unprecedented scale over many many years. No school has fake classes with predetermined grades. Where is your evidence? NC had enough phony classes that many athletes took mostly phony classes. Given what happened at PSU some people think you will get a wrist slap. It is more likely that the situation is akin to domestic abuse in the NFL. When the public found out the NFL had to do an about face. The NCAA now has no choice but to give you what you deserve. If they don't they know that they will have lost all credibility, every school will cheat and the NCAA will be dead. Brace yourself as you are about to get a reality check. In the meantime enjoy your alternative universe.

No, they weren't fake. No, they weren't designed as athletes only. Both of your original claims were disproved by the report released today. Perhaps you should read the report and get back to us? Those are two pretty glaring errors that you made.

 

[Oakland]

Who are you?

No, they weren't fake. No, they weren't designed as athletes only. Both of your original claims were disproved by the report released today. Perhaps you should read the report and get back to us? Those are two pretty glaring errors that you made.

 

[itsbotime]

Who are you?

I've been here for over three years now.

 

[Oakland]

Who are you?

I've been here for over three years now.

 

[reedny]

Good
No evidence of "fake" classes-all classes involved work and no students were given grades for nothing
Really? I don't' remember getting A's in college for one paper in a class that was full of quotes or plagiarized. What is your definition of doing nothing???

-Roy didn't know anything about the courses but was suspicious of so many of his players majoring in AFAM, directed staff to fix this
Right. And Shultz really did "Know nothing" when Hogan was banging Helga.

-Classes were "Easy A's" but were not "fake classes"...so, by steering students and athletes to easy A courses, UNC wasn't much different than Stanford or Duke, which both made news for doing same
What is your definition of a fake class? If you submit a bubble gum wrapper and not a paper that is plagiarized?

-These classes were taken by more than just athletes...I.E. Greeks, Morehead Students, or anyone looking for an Easy A
Ok. This might be typical of the quality of a UNC education. I don't know. I think I would question and UNC degree going forward. Who would have thought that UofL & FSU is better academically???

-No evidence of improper grade changes.
Because the teacher was told ahead of time what grade the student needed

Given the information that came out today, I think the NCAA might do something, but I don't see any major NCAA ramifications coming out of this. Still embarrassing for the university, though.

saved me the trouble.

 

[Full_Rebar]

The claim that coaches knew nothing might not matter with the new NCAA rules where the HC is responsible for the entire program. Either way, it's foolish to think that the academic people were the only ones who "knew" what was happening.

 

[pfister1]

My point is that the story about the paper was made up. Nothing more.

And why would Roy be reprimanded? Wainstein made it clear that Roy had no knowledge of the classes and was in no way complicit in the scheme.

I thought I read that Roy claimed he had no knowledge, not that it was clear that he had no knowledge.

Whether he truly knew or not, at some point Roy should be deemed to have had knowledge. Academic qualification is a major component of a College Athletic Program. If he didn't take care of this part of his job and instead chose to completely delegate it, then he should be stained by the sins of those he delegated to. The problem mushroomed on his watch, sounds like he either knew or should have known.

 

[cuseguy]

Terrific. A unc and a ucon debating the merits of education on our board

I'm already hearing crap from my UConn friend about the troubled ACC and how SU will soon be following UNC on probation.

Best to ignore.

 

[Scotiacuse]

"For years, its championship basketball teams were populated by players who benefitted from academic fraud – the 2005 national title team alone had 10 AFAM majors."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/unc-ac...-its-culture-of-cheating-213657979-ncaaf.html

 

[AlaskaSU]

No, they weren't fake. No, they weren't designed as athletes only. Both of your original claims were disproved by the report released today. Perhaps you should read the report and get back to us? Those are two pretty glaring errors that you made.

1) they were fake to every one but you and Bill Clinton. the ostensible teacher was an administrator.
2) they were designed for athletes. Only later on did the frat boys catch on.
back on the UNC board everyone is saying that there were no specific NCAA rules broken. Ever hear of, 'lack of institutional control'? twenty years.

 

[HakAttack]

This has to take some of the heat off us, no?

 

[AlaskaSU]

For 19 years over 20% of your basketball players credits were from fake classes. When the credits are removed many of these players would have no longer met NCAA enrollment requirements. You were playing with ineligible players and as per NCAA rules, all of those games will be forfeited. The 2005 national title team alone had 10 AFAM majors.

N Carolina cheating is on an unprecedented scale. PSU was criminal activity and a coverup. NC is flat out cheating. They used ineligible players for two decades. The death penalty will be under consideration.

 

[sdhusky]

This has to take some of the heat off us, no?

This is the best possible news for SU.

UNC is almost "untouchable" so anything that happens to SU will in context of the wrist slap that UNC gets.

 

[gilardino]

I bet we gte a one year post season ban. UNC gets absolutely nothing

 

[JAXCUSE]

I bet we gte a one year post season ban. UNC gets absolutely nothing

Sadly, I'm afraid you are probably correct.

 

[sdhusky]

I bet we gte a one year post season ban. UNC gets absolutely nothing

One year bans aren't so bad #hungryhuskies

 

[itsbotime]

Last I checked, easy A courses aren't NCAA violations. These courses weren't "fake"-they required work. The grading was simply lax, and they were graded by someone that shouldn't have been grading. Academic counselors steered students (athletes and non-athletes alike) needing a GPA boost to the "Easy A" courses, just like they do at every school. Duke, Michigan, Stanford...all have been caught doing similar things. Women's BB comes off poorly (they have an email on record from an assistant there noting that one of the papers was plagiarized and laughing it off), football comes off poorly (they told Crowder what grades players needed, but Crowder ignored their input since everyone got good grades in her class), basketball doesn't come off poorly.

At the end of the day this was college students flocking to easy classes to boost their GPAs. Happens every single day at every single university.

 

[realorange]

The difference for UNC is the huge media play this is getting. The NCAA will look like they are totally shirking their responsibilities if they don't come down with some kind of penalty.

 

[AirForceOrange]

For anyone who may know, could this affect any of UNC's accreditations? If so, I would think that would be bigger issue than what may happen to their athletic programs. Plus I have seen it mentioned that why should the basketball team get sanctioned since apparently Roy Williams knew nothing and b-ball players attendance in these classess actually went down. The issue is that the NCAA has set a precedent for punishing current student athletes for the transgressions of prior student athletes. So just because Roy didn't know and apparently didn't steer players towards these classes, would not suprise me to see the NCAA still punish now for past infractions that current personnel may have had nothing to do with.

 

[NKR1978]

I don't understand why anyone outside of UNC alumni should care about this? Their degree has lost some luster and value. Otherwise who cares?

I hope nothing happens to them because media a******* like that POS Pat Forde and giddy over the notion of major sanctions and penalties. They live for this s***. They were giddy over that nonsense SI report about Oklahoma State and they're giddy over our upcoming hearing. Seriously, Pat Forde is whining on Twitter that he has no sources at Syracuse and that he can't find out what's going on. He's the type of "jouno" that makes it easy to hate the media.

The NCAA lost all credibility when it didn't shut down Penn State. That was its chance to truly punish a deserving and disgusting university and its messed up culture.

 

[NKR1978]

For 19 years over 20% of your basketball players credits were from fake classes. When the credits are removed many of these players would have no longer met NCAA enrollment requirements. You were playing with ineligible players and as per NCAA rules, all of those games will be forfeited. The 2005 national title team alone had 10 AFAM majors.

N Carolina cheating is on an unprecedented scale. PSU was criminal activity and a coverup. NC is flat out cheating. They used ineligible players for two decades. The death penalty will be under consideration.

It's not that clear cut they did anything wrong.