UNC Ruling

[Newhouser]

this makes us look like complete boobs. I'm less concerned with UNC and more concerned with the legal advice SU is getting on how to handle these NCAA investigations. We either have the worst juice in the political world or our leadership was inept in dealing with an investigation.

Terrible day for Syracuse and how we've handled our stupid infractions.

I was thinking the same thing. We clearly had no sense of how the game was being played in the world of college sports in 2017. How could we be so lost as to how the world works, and everyone please spare me the "we wanted to do things right" spiel. SU got dictated to, UNC and Penn State provided the dictation.

 

[SUintheVille]

The FBI should arrest the whole NCAA. Utter incompetence! How much were they paid?

 

[Delmar]

The investigative committee was "troubled" by some of its findings. This withering critique must devastate UNC fans.

 

[OttoMets]

That was my post from last December. Not sure exactly what was or was not worked out behind the scenes but this is not a surprise. For the NCAA to truly take a hard line stance here would basically require them to create a new arm regularly reviewing the validity and standards of college courses and attendees. That is clearly something they would want no part of.

Once again, the problem is that they are more than willing to do it via the clearinghouse for incoming student athletes. Moral of the story may be that once they get in the door, the focus on the true academic requirements are off of the Board.

SUOrange44

Good post. We might not like it (I don't), but it's consistent. Based on what little I know, though, it looks like the NCAA bent over backward to misrepresent this as a university-wide problem rather than athletic academic fraud. That doesn't pass the smell test - what purpose would real students have for taking fake AAS classes? They're only there to learn and get a degree, so what's the point? It was obviously fraud set up for the purpose of keeping athletes eligible. Just because non-athletes were involved doesn't change the obvious purpose or effect.

this makes us look like complete boobs. I'm less concerned with UNC and more concerned with the legal advice SU is getting on how to handle these NCAA investigations. We either have the worst juice in the political world or our leadership was inept in dealing with an investigation.

Terrible day for Syracuse and how we've handled our stupid infractions.

I mean, there's a reason SU's law firm from 2012 is no longer SU's law firm. And it's not just how they handled the Bernie thing...

 

[Cusefan0307]

The sting of this ruling may fade with time... it's not like this ruling is being dropped the day before the game. But more importantly, fan apathy may make all of this moot if SU isn't very competitive this year.

Stay home if you want. It ain't going to fade amongst my group of family and friends.

 

[Jasoncuse]

this makes us look like complete boobs. I'm less concerned with UNC and more concerned with the legal advice SU is getting on how to handle these NCAA investigations. We either have the worst juice in the political world or our leadership was inept in dealing with an investigation.

Terrible day for Syracuse and how we've handled our stupid infractions.

Or the NCAA was going to punish SU no matter what, and UNC was going to skate no matter what. Doesn't matter what was argued either way. It sounds like the NCAA found every excuse possible to avoid having to punish UNC.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Oh, also, as a preemptive measure, that unctar character that comes here is still a butthole.

 

[Alsacs]

OMFG I want 12 scholarship BACK NOW.

Nothing?
I mean how the hell could they not even ding football or women’s basketball.

The emperor wears no clothing.
Bleeping NCAA owes Syracuse bigly.

Good job Syverrud.

 

[AlaskaSU]

Why ws this non-announcement postponed last week? 5 level one violations? Institutional control?

 

[Jasoncuse]

Unreal. We should have played Fab through the 2012 tournament, won the title, then just said to the NCAA.

Yup. Should've said it and played to win, ramifications be damned.

 

[Alsacs]

Worst organization:
FIFA
IOC
NCAA

FIFA is the worst they allow slave labor in Qatar.

NCAA is a plantation.
IOC is just corrupt with bribes.

 

[Fly Rodder]

April 2016:

Yep. Because the general student population was allowed into the fake classes, there's no impermissible benefit. It's a crock, but that's how it will fall so that UNC will skate. SU, however, will get another 10 year investigation.

 

[FrancoPizza]

So our mistake was that we didn’t help other students write papers? So improper benefits are ok as long as everyone receives them. Got it.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

[AZOrange]

Good post. We might not like it (I don't), but it's consistent. Based on what little I know, though, it looks like the NCAA bent over backward to misrepresent this as a university-wide problem rather than athletic academic fraud. That doesn't pass the smell test - what purpose would real students have for taking fake AAS classes? They're only there to learn and get a degree, so what's the point? It was obviously fraud set up for the purpose of keeping athletes eligible. Just because non-athletes were involved doesn't change the obvious purpose or effect.



I mean, there's a reason SU's law firm from 2012 is no longer SU's law firm. And it's not just how they handled the Bernie thing...

Who was the firm/lawyer?

 

[Jasoncuse]

I feel the worst for Rick Pitino. All he had to do to keep his job was get a few hookers for regular students and float some checks to them from Adidas.

 

[elimunelson]

Or the NCAA was going to punish SU no matter what, and UNC was going to skate no matter what. Doesn't matter what was argued either way. It sounds like the NCAA found every excuse possible to avoid having to punish UNC.

We plea bargained for a heavy penalty. Think about that for a second. WE are dopes. Simple as that.

School needs to grow some balls or find someone who can play grab *ss with the folks in Indianapolis. Boeheim certainly didn't help the situation with his grandstanding.

Terrible day for SU.

 

[Alsacs]

NCAA

 

[SUintheVille]

Looks like they are applauding the NCAA decision in that pic. Sickening!!

 

[EastCoast2]

UNC lawyers > SU lawyers

 

[AlaskaSU]

FIFA is the worst they allow slave labor in Qatar.

NCAA is a plantation.
IOC is just corrupt with bribes.

United Nations

 

[SUOrange44]

Good post. We might not like it (I don't), but it's consistent. Based on what little I know, though, it looks like the NCAA bent over backward to misrepresent this as a university-wide problem rather than athletic academic fraud. That doesn't pass the smell test - what purpose would real students have for taking fake AAS classes? They're only there to learn and get a degree, so what's the point? It was obviously fraud set up for the purpose of keeping athletes eligible. Just because non-athletes were involved doesn't change the obvious purpose or effect.

Interesting observation. The only point I would quibble with is the one about "regular students". Unfortunately, I think many see college as the means to an end and their final GPA, semesters on Dean's List, etc. being just as important or more so than what they actually learn.

SUOrange44

 

[OttoMets]

Who was the firm/lawyer?

Bond Schoeneck & King. They're actually pretty well-regarded among colleges on, among other things, NCAA matters. But I think SU ended up suing them for malpractice.

 

[OttoMets]

We plea bargained for a heavy penalty. Think about that for a second. WE are dopes. Simple as that.

School needs to grow some balls or find someone who can play grab *ss with the folks in Indianapolis. Boeheim certainly didn't help the situation with his grandstanding.

Terrible day for SU.

Nah, it's not any kind of day for SU. They paid the piper and we get to watch college hoops in a month. It's all good.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Bond Schoeneck & King. They're actually pretty well-regarded among colleges on, among other things, NCAA matters. But I think SU ended up suing them for malpractice.

That's who just represented UNC ironically.