Villanova

[SWC75]

Jim Boeheim repeated his contention that "Villanova plays only 6 guys" in the post Louisville presser. Here was the box score that day, just to provide an update:

Villanova 85-74 UConn (Feb 5, 2022) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the Villanova Wildcats vs. UConn Huskies NCAAM game from February 5, 2022 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.

www.espn.com

 

[Nicknack]

So Boeheim is just saying things again? Shocker.

 

[rrlbees]

So Boeheim is just saying things again? Shocker.

They played 6 that day.

 

[Nicknack]

That's not true, they played 8. Dixon, Slater, Samuels, Gillespie, and Daniels started. Longino, Arcidiacono, and Antoine came off the bench. The bench played limited minutes, clearly, but did play. That makes 8.

 

[rrlbees]

That's not true, they played 8. Dixon, Slater, Samuels, Gillespie, and Daniels started. Longino, Arcidiacono, and Antoine came off the bench. The bench played limited minutes, clearly, but did play. That makes 8.

In the long discussion in the other thread people weren’t counting the limited minutes players.

 

[SUGIANT]

That's not true, they played 8. Dixon, Slater, Samuels, Gillespie, and Daniels started. Longino, Arcidiacono, and Antoine came off the bench. The bench played limited minutes, clearly, but did play. That makes 8.

two guys came in for 6 mins each. maybe he’s saying 6 guys play meaningful mins? I wouldn’t thing he’s just lying about it.

 

[djcon57]

Jim Boeheim repeated his contention that "Villanova plays only 6 guys" in the post Louisville presser. Here was the box score that day, just to provide an update:

Villanova 85-74 UConn (Feb 5, 2022) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the Villanova Wildcats vs. UConn Huskies NCAAM game from February 5, 2022 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.

www.espn.com

would love to bump this thread regularly but we know what will happen on the days they don’t play 6. *shrug*

to reiterate again, the vast majority of games Villanova have played more than 6 this season. This is a fact...as much as it hurts some that Jim might have embellished something. I know it’s very unlike him.

 

[OrangeFoo]

Even if they played 5… does it matter as much as the how the 5 guys they play actually play? Nova plays tough D, out-toughs opponents on the boards and grinds teams down on offense. I was in DC and went to the Nova vs Hoyas game. The Hoyas made it a game and actually had an 8 point lead a couple of times during the second half. Nova didn’t panic and continued to play their game and just wore Georgetown out. It’s like watching one of those classic Michigan St teams play, but with better offense.

I could care less how many guys JB play, the issue is the guys he does play would play a lot better if they got some rest. If you have 5 Melos, by all means play them as much as possible… if you have Ivy League players getting more minutes now than in the Ivy League, that seems to be an issue.

Way to deflect from the real conversation, coach… your players aren’t typical starting quality players on a Syracuse squad, much less 40 mpg players.

 

[Nicknack]

Even if they played 5… does it matter as much as the how the 5 guys they play actually play?

To answer your question, no, it doesn't matter at all. The trend here lately is when Boeheim is criticized, a few here focus on the details in an effort to distract (at least that's what it seems).

 

[Alsacs]

According to what JB said to Donna postgame “words matter”
Just like some people will say Benny was only 5 star on riv@ls.

Well if you want to say that then you can’t say Nova only played 6. They played 8. 8>6.
Villanova didn’t play just 6 guys.
Their main rotation could be 6 players but they play more than 6.

Also Villanova is 17-6 and in the top 15.
I doubt an overwhelming majority of our fanbase would care about rotation size if we were top 15.

If we are 12-11 and not playing a possible future key piece that is different.

 

[MikeSU02]

Jim Boeheim repeated his contention that "Villanova plays only 6 guys" in the post Louisville presser. Here was the box score that day, just to provide an update:

Villanova 85-74 UConn (Feb 5, 2022) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the Villanova Wildcats vs. UConn Huskies NCAAM game from February 5, 2022 on ESPN. Includes all points, rebounds and steals stats.

www.espn.com

Did you read the article?

First, they played 8 guys.

Second, the reason it was 6 for the majority of minutes was Justin Moore was out with a sprained ankle.

This is craziness. Why are you dying on this hill?

[Edit: SWC75 - sorry, or are you saying you JB just says things and we should just roll with it since it's going to potentially be a lie?]

 

[MikeSU02]

BTW, want to know when you can play 6 (or 6.5, I guess), when you're the 2011-2012 Kentucky Wildcats and the NBA lockout kept Doron Lamb and Terrence Jones on your team (since it kept them from likely going pro since they weren't slam dunk high picks), you have 7 NBA guys in your rotation of guys that get minutes and you have Anthony Davis as the anchor in the middle.

 

[Alsacs]

BTW, want to know when you can play 6 (or 6.5, I guess), when you're the 2011-2012 Kentucky Wildcats and the NBA lockout kept Doron Lamb and Terrence Jones on your team (since it kept them from likely going pro since they weren't slam dunk high picks), you have 7 NBA guys in your rotation of guys that get minutes and you have Anthony Davis as the anchor in the middle.

2010 Syracuse was 7.5 as well.

The .5 being Dash Riley.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I was listening to the game the other night and one of the announcers said* that JAB believes that opponents can't keep shooting 3s because they get tired in the 2nd half and lose lift and form breaks down leading to misses. Yet, the SU offense is predicated on 4 guys shooting 3s for 38 minutes.



*I've never seen a quote from JAB about this, but IIRC, this is exactly what the announcer said.

 

[MikeSU02]

2010 Syracuse was 7.5 as well.

The .5 being Dash Riley.

Arinze getting injured in garbage time vs GTown was the worst. That whole bracket lined up for us.

Also, screw Butler. We got robbed that game.

We would have smoked that Duke team. Absolutely smoked them. 1996 is probably my favorite team, but that 2010 team is up there.

Coming out of 2009, that 2010 team looked like JB was having the time of his life coaching.

 

[SWC75]

According to what JB said to Donna postgame “words matter”
Just like some people will say Benny was only 5 star on riv@ls.

Well if you want to say that then you can’t say Nova only played 6. They played 8. 8>6.
Villanova didn’t play just 6 guys.
Their main rotation could be 6 players but they play more than 6.

Also Villanova is 17-6 and in the top 15.
I doubt an overwhelming majority of our fanbase would care about rotation size if we were top 15.

If we are 12-11 and not playing a possible future key piece that is different.

Did you read the article?

First, they played 8 guys.

Second, the reason it was 6 for the majority of minutes was Justin Moore was out with a sprained ankle.

This is craziness. Why are you dying on this hill?

[Edit: SWC75 - sorry, or are you saying you JB just says things and we should just roll with it since it's going to potentially be a lie?]

In our previous conversation, (which got locked), it was established that 10 minutes was the definition of "playing" and I did a lengthy thread using that standard to look at past SU seasons and the current top 25. JB had mentioned that Nova played 6 today so I just thought I'd post the box score as an update. Yes, 8 guys played for Nova. Two played 6 minutes each, 1 more than Benny played against NC State.

 

[Alsacs]

In our previous conversation, (which got locked), it was established that 10 minutes was the definition of "playing" and I did a lengthy thread using that standard to look at past SU seasons and the current top 25. JB had mentioned that Nova played 6 today so I just thought I'd post the box score as an update. Yes, 8 guys played for Nova. Two played 6 minutes each, 1 more than Benny played against NC State.

One of Nova’s guys were hurt.
I also think JB shouldn’t be bringing up Nova.

They are good. If we were good the rotation size wouldn’t matter as much.

We are playing a short rotation and are 12-11.
Nova’s players are better.
If we had really good players ride them.
Our roster isn’t as strong as Nova’s.

Thus, JB’s point is questionable.
If we have GMac/Josh Pace/Hakim Warrick play them 35 MPG those players won a lot of games.

Our roster now isn’t in that league thus maybe crowing about Nova playing 6 guys isn’t the smartest point when you are 12-11.

 

[upperdeck]

So if they play 6 guys real min and a couple play 5 thats an 8 man rotation? you look at most of their close games its the same every time, 6 guys play the min an 2 play a few based on time/score/fouls.

 

[Alsacs]

So if they play 6 guys real min and a couple play 5 thats an 8 man rotation? you look at most of their close games its the same every time, 6 guys play the min an 2 play a few based on time/score/fouls.

If we were 17-6 and top 25. The overwhelming majoriry of the fanbase wouldn’t care about the rotation.

When you win and are relevant the frustrating stuff goes away. When you are medicore then that stuff matters.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

One of Nova’s guys were hurt.
I also think JB shouldn’t be bringing up Nova.

They are good. If we were good the rotation size wouldn’t matter as much.

We are playing a short rotation and are 12-11.
Nova’s players are better.
If we had really good players ride them.
Our roster isn’t as strong as Nova’s.

Thus, JB’s point is questionable.
If we have GMac/Josh Pace/Hakim Warrick play them 35 MPG those players won a lot of games.

Our roster now isn’t in that league thus maybe crowing about Nova playing 6 guys isn’t the smartest point when you are 12-11.

Gillespie also got hurt in the 2nd half, which knocked about 10 minutes off his time on the court.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

So if they play 6 guys real min and a couple play 5 thats an 8 man rotation? you look at most of their close games its the same every time, 6 guys play the min an 2 play a few based on time/score/fouls.

They basically have 6 starters. Daniels doesn't usually start (replaced Moore on Saturday). Slater / Moore / Daniels / Samuels are all a bit interchangable and usually end up with equal minutes. (Wright rotates them A LOT.) This board would have a meltdown if Villanova were our team with the way Wright uses Longino / Antoine / Arch - their minutes are unpredictable from game to game.

 

[Cheriehoop]

A thread on this really? If anyone watched or even bothered to read about the game, Gillespie, their point guard got hurt during the game playing only 26 minutes. Nova had an 11 point lead at halftime and kept the lead throughout the second half. They had no issues beating UConn despite Gillespie’s injury and played Arcidiacino 26 minutes - 16 minutes more than his average before this game. Yes, with a safe lead and an injury they played more players more minutes just like we did against Louisville

These agenda threads having no researched context while pushing that Boeheim lies are just nuts. Just as valid a thread arguing that SU plays a long bench after Louisville game where 15 different players got minutes.

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[djcon57]

A thread on this really? If anyone watched or even bothered to read about the game, Gillespie, their point guard got hurt during the game playing only 26 minutes. Nova had an 11 point lead at halftime and kept the lead throughout the second half. They had no issues beating UConn despite Gillespie’s injury and played Arcidiacino 26 minutes - 16 minutes more than his average before this game. Yes, with a safe lead and an injury they played more players more minutes just like we did against Louisville

These agenda threads having no researched context while pushing that Boeheim lies are just nuts. Just as valid a thread arguing that SU plays a long bench after Louisville game where 15 different players got minutes.

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you think swc started this thread not researching the context while pushing that Boeheim lies?

 

[Cheriehoop]

you think swc started this thread not researching the context while pushing that Boeheim lies?

To be honest I didn’t pay attention to who it was that actually started the thread. I actually watched part of that game and the rotations weren’t normal because of Gillespie’s injury and the surprisingly easy time that Nova had beating UConn, just like our rotations were different and longer against Louisville despite no injuries like Nova suffered. I have watched a number of Nova games, in fact probably too many games of different teams overall. There are some coaches who are known philosophically to play shorter rotations in very competitive games - Boeheim, Wright even Coach K etc have been critiqued and analyzed for it, agree or disagree with that philosophy, he’s not alone. Many times a coach tweaks their philosophy dependent on the depth of their team makeup. A six or seven player rotation can expand to 8 or 9 some years dependent on depth and competition.

 

[orangecuse]

One of Nova’s guys were hurt.
I also think JB shouldn’t be bringing up Nova.

They are good. If we were good the rotation size wouldn’t matter as much.

We are playing a short rotation and are 12-11.
Nova’s players are better.
If we had really good players ride them.
Our roster isn’t as strong as Nova’s.

Thus, JB’s point is questionable.
If we have GMac/Josh Pace/Hakim Warrick play them 35 MPG those players won a lot of games.

Our roster now isn’t in that league thus maybe crowing about Nova playing 6 guys isn’t the smartest point when you are 12-11.

This whining by JB reminds me when Dixon owned his lunch consistently and cried to the media why don't you mention my success against Beilein?

There is so much he says nowadays that I simply take with a grain of salt, etc. No different then after the State game and saying stuff like they are better without their bigs because they're more difficult to defend, etc. How we have 3 "first year guys" on our team and a large reason for our defensive struggles, etc. The "first year" guys he was referring to are a junior, a senior and a senior plus.

As you mentioned, it wouldn't get so much attention if we were a good team, ranked, etc. like 'Nova is and consistently has been leading up to this year. Something we haven't been (regular season) since 2014.