villanova's terrible shooting day compared to SU this year

[Millhouse]

Nova shot 9/28 on Saturday. .321

Syracuse had 16 games below .321, and 15 above.

syracuse for the year was at .301 24th worst in D1.

If there wasn't so many other questions for boeheim, I sure would love to hear what he plans to do about this.

The median is .343. For SU to have gotten to the median. they would've needed to be 14% better at making three pointers. (hit 177 instead of 155)

For SU to crack the top 10%, they would've needed to hit 42 more three pointers (a 27% improvement)

shooting is a disaster at SU

 

[RF2044]

Nova shot 9/28 on Saturday. .321

Syracuse had 16 games below .321, and 15 above.

syracuse for the year was at .301 24th worst in D1.

If there wasn't so many other questions for boeheim, I sure would love to hear what he plans to do about this.

The median is .343. For SU to have gotten to the median. they would've needed to be 14% better at making three pointers. (hit 177 instead of 155)

For SU to crack the top 10%, they would've needed to hit 42 more three pointers (a 27% improvement)

shooting is a disaster at SU

The offensive attack has been offensive since the 2010 season, where we had terrific balance, multiple shooters, good inside scoring, etc.

We weren't even all that "great" in 2012, but compensated by forcing so many turnovers and being so lethal in transition -- in other words, we offset our halfcourt offense defencies by getting so many easy baskets, that it helped mask some of the issues.

2013 offense was very shaky, but with several players capable of dialing it up. That's kind of what happened in the NCAA [Triche started playing his best ball of the year, MCW found his shooting touch, etc.] at the same time we peaked defensively.

It's been awhile since we've been above average offensively.

 

[OttoMets]

I'd like to hear a candid answer from Boeheim about this.

We get pretty much every recruit we want, we have a renowned Hall of Fame head coach, and our offense has gone from excellent to pedestrian to poor in half a decade (with "poor" being the game-to-game norm in 80% of the last three seasons). What gives?

 

[CorduroyG]

we recruit for the zone. we need to get away from that and recruit guys who can score, not just long guys who can jump really high

 

[Cusefan0307]

Lack of floor balance has been a big problem the past couple of years. In 2009 and 2010 we had multiple shooters on the floor at all times. Since then it has often been one or sometimes two players with all the pressure to hit from deep.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I'd like to hear a candid answer from Boeheim about this.

We get pretty much every recruit we want, we have a renowned Hall of Fame head coach, and our offense has gone from excellent to pedestrian to poor in half a decade (with "poor" being the game-to-game norm in 80% of the last three seasons). What gives?

The Melo Center messes with the shooting stroke?

 

[RF2044]

we recruit for the zone. we need to get away from that and recruit guys who can score, not just long guys who can jump really high

I think the issue is even more basic. I have zero problem with JB recruiting for the zone, but the players we've landed lately have pedestrian offensive skills.

Long guys who can jump really high aren't the problem. Shooting, dribbling, and passing are the problems. Get better offensive players, and the offense will perform at a higher level.

 

[Millhouse]

I think the issue is even more basic. I have zero problem with JB recruiting for the zone, but the players we've landed lately have pedestrian offensive skills.

Long guys who can jump really high aren't the problem. Shooting, dribbling, and passing are the problems. Get better offensive players, and the offense will perform at a higher level.

shorter guys are better shooters, very generally

boeheim likes big guards. to the extent there's a tradeoff, he leans towards tall guards at the top of the zone.

 

[longtimefan]

Nova shot 9/28 on Saturday. .321

Syracuse had 16 games below .321, and 15 above.

syracuse for the year was at .301 24th worst in D1.

If there wasn't so many other questions for boeheim, I sure would love to hear what he plans to do about this.

The median is .343. For SU to have gotten to the median. they would've needed to be 14% better at making three pointers. (hit 177 instead of 155)

For SU to crack the top 10%, they would've needed to hit 42 more three pointers (a 27% improvement)

shooting is a disaster at SU

What he plans to do about it:

Richardson and Lydon, to start.

 

[jordoo]

I think that next year we need to see a couple of thing happen.

1) Diange, Coleman, Bryant or some combination of them need to offer a legit low post presence.
2) Chris and Tyler need to become proficient in the 10'-17' range. Would also help if they could make WIDE open 3's at a high 30's clip.
3) Mike needs to have another good year shooting.
4) Cooney needs some consistency or Malachi needs to be given a chance to make them. One of them needs to be high 30's low 40's.
5) Kaleb needs to be able to make wide open ones a high 30's clip.

If all of these happen we'll be great. Some combination of 3 would still be an improvement.

 

[Millhouse]

in 2009-10, we were 17th in 3 point %

since then


124
145
204
237
328

i don't need to bother with a chart for that, pretty clear!

maybe our good years have made boeheim too confident that he can find taller guys that can shoot

wes johnsons and andy rautinses don't grow on trees

 

[RF2044]

shorter guys are better shooters, very generally

boeheim likes big guards. to the extent there's a tradeoff, he leans towards tall guards at the top of the zone.

Meh, seems like a sweeping generalization. Especially since just about every single team we play has bigger guards who seem to be able to shoot just fine.

 

[RF2044]

in 2009-10, we were 17th in 3 point %

since then


124
145
204
237
328

i don't need to bother with a chart for that, pretty clear!

Yikes...

 

[Millhouse]

prior to the good year
2008-09 149
2007-08 206
2006-07 97
2005-06 208
2004-05 282
2003-04 240
2002-03 179

Some of this is just a million teams all clustered around the same number. like the NC season, they shot 34.4%. not that bad, i'd take it

but it still shows that relative to competition, we don't shoot that well. maybe it's not that important. we need to stop being terrible, happens too much

 

[jncuse]

I want to know how Jerami Grant lacked any capability of even making a 15 foot jumper last year. and this year is hitting a very solid 36% on NBA threes on 113 attempts.

Does the staff just kill the confidence of some of our players or not even allow some of our players the freedom to extend their range. Was Grant terrified every time he went up for a mid range shot.

 

[Brooky03]

Our offense needs a versatile forward who can shoot outside with volume and finish above the rim in the paint. Yeah, everybody would like one of these, but our iso offense truly thrives when we have a guy like this.

We always have a SG who's capable, but we don't always have a SF or PG who can score from behind the arc. If Gbinije keeps it rolling, we could be in decent shape next season. The addition of Richardson should result in less minutes for Cooney (less injury risk) and less pressure on Gbinije if Cooney's not on the court. G and Trevor should be in the 33-37% range from deep and I expect/hope Malachi will match that.

 

[NineOneSeven]

in 2009-10, we were 17th in 3 point %

since then


124
145
204
237
328

i don't need to bother with a chart for that, pretty clear!

maybe our good years have made boeheim too confident that he can find taller guys that can shoot

wes johnsons and andy rautinses don't grow on trees

Make a chart. I want R^2.

 

[pfister1]

I want to know how Jerami Grant lacked any capability of even making a 15 foot jumper last year. and this year is hitting a very solid 36% on NBA threes on 113 attempts.

Does the staff just kill the confidence of some of our players or not even allow some of our players the freedom to extend their range. Was Grant terrified every time he went up for a mid range shot.

Maybe our staff recruited Jerami assuming we'd be the beneficiary of that improvement in his shooting ability, but instead it happens in the NBA due to his early departure.

 

[Brooky03]

Maybe our staff recruited Jerami assuming we'd be the beneficiary of that improvement in his shooting ability, but instead it happens in the NBA due to his early departure.

I think the staff wanted him to attack the rim, so they definitely limited his outside shot attempts. And I think his midrange woes had a lot to do with the touch required on shorter jumpers. A lot of players shoot very well right at the maximum distance in their range. If they shoot from further out or too close, though, they have a tougher time getting the distance down. Obviously, great shooters don't have this problem but average shooters, especially when jumpers aren't a big part of their game, can certainly struggle here. Grant doesn't have a soft shot and I seem to alway remember him missing long. Perhaps the extended range in the NBA is actually helping him out.

 

[Millhouse]

I want to know how Jerami Grant lacked any capability of even making a 15 foot jumper last year. and this year is hitting a very solid 36% on NBA threes on 113 attempts.

Does the staff just kill the confidence of some of our players or not even allow some of our players the freedom to extend their range. Was Grant terrified every time he went up for a mid range shot.

grant is probably not too hot at shooting 15 footers now, considering his fg %

opponents would've been thrilled if grant shot lots of 15 footers at SU

 

[Madbiker]

I want to know how Jerami Grant lacked any capability of even making a 15 foot jumper last year. and this year is hitting a very solid 36% on NBA threes on 113 attempts.

Does the staff just kill the confidence of some of our players or not even allow some of our players the freedom to extend their range. Was Grant terrified every time he went up for a mid range shot.

I want to know why he was a toothpick for 2 years and in 6 months of working out with the 76ers he's Hulk.

 

[rstone7727]

I want to know why he was a toothpick for 2 years and in 6 months of working out with the 76ers he's Hulk.

No, you don't want to know... But our strength/conditioning dept. seems inadequate. We looked like runts compared to the rest of the ACC.

 

[Millhouse]

I want to know why he was a toothpick for 2 years and in 6 months of working out with the 76ers he's Hulk.

Horse pills galore in the nba and no one notices. Alonzo mourning was a science experiment

 

[Ghost]

we recruit for the zone. we need to get away from that and recruit guys who can score, not just long guys who can jump really high

More or less this - we seem to make too much a compromise in trying to get players that are well suited for the zone. Having one player with any explosion off the bounce per year is just a strange plan of attack. We play so slow...the drive and dish has been non-existent in our offense for two years - AND we can't shoot. That's difficult to pull off when you're recruiting Top 100 players year after year.

Those shooting numbers/rankings are pretty scary...

 

[Jasoncuse]

we recruit for the zone. we need to get away from that and recruit guys who can score, not just long guys who can jump really high

Exactly.

Long, athletic kids with raw offensive games is not the way to go anymore. Not with our restrictions coming up and not with the college game turning into a muck fest. We need to stop recruiting guards that can't shoot but may be a fit for the zone. I'd rather get kids that can shoot and score over a potential menace at the top of the zone.
I'm glad we have Malachi coming in; he's not typical for this program.