We better enjoy Ennis while we can..

[rrlbees]

LOL

I accept your relenting.

 

[ssbriefcase]

I wonder what the percentage is of kids who left early, that were the subject of these "is he staying or leaving", threads every season?

 

[tee1222]

I would love to have Ennis around next year, but it's been mentioned already. Neither Ennis nor JB, nor anyone related to Ennis knows of this critical decision yet. He's a young man who I'm sure would like to play in the NBA. If that ticket comes end of this year, just like all other past Orange greats, I wish them the best and more than thankful to have another great player contribute to SU's success, regardless of early entry to the league.

Seriously, these threads pop up all the time. Don't get me wrong. I don't mind the stipulation, but to say definitively that it's one way or the other as to someone else's decision is pretty silly.

 

[Fly Rodder]

The guys putting together mock drafts have sources. They all do, even the ones with poor reputations. If they start putting kids in the first round - six months away from the draft - it's not because they dreamt it up themselves. They put the kids in there because their agent buddies, scouts, and people in GM offices have interest. And if there is interest, there is money.

Every year, kids start showing up in the NBA mock drafts and people discount it as too early, no one knows, he's not ready, and 90% of the time, the kids jump to the draft in April. The number of kids that stay an extra year usually don't move up in the draft at all (and typically backslide).

Kids don't get better at playing basketball while going to college and having limited practice time. Donte Greene could have stayed 4 years at Syracuse and he was never going to be a better pro. It happens. Dion and MCW are doing pretty well for what they have in terms of talent. Flynn, IMO, could have been a pretty good PG for 8-10 years without the hip injury which robbed him of his above average quickness and in the right system (how's Rambis doing these days as a head coach? oh, yeah, that's right).

Kaleb Joseph wasn't recruited to ride the pine and Ennis wouldn't be showing up in the first round of multiple mock drafts if the NBA wasn't keenly interested in him.

 

[dasher]

I accept your relenting.

LOL people know

 

[dasher]

Yours and the post you were agreeing with didn't come across as opinion at all and that there was even a chance he could leave.

How could it be anything but an opinion at this stage? It wasn't like we were claiming to be in the ACC before we were in the ACC.

 

[dasher]

I wonder what the percentage is of kids who left early, that were the subject of these "is he staying or leaving", threads every season?

last one was c.j. fair

 

[ssbriefcase]

last one was c.j. fair

Fair enough...But just my opinion, more often than not when the speculation starts this early they're gone. I hope he stays though, out of greed.

 

[BostonOrange]

The NBA has started to take notice of our stellar freshman point guard. His name is now popping up on multiple draft boards from a mid first to late first round status. As we all know, it's not about being ready, it's about leaving when your stock is at its peak. Tyler's stock is definitely rising, and the shortcomings in his game can just as easily be worked on in the pro's as they could from another year on the hill. We should all enjoy the ride as we enter 2014, and root on Tyler no matter what his decision at the end of the year will be. Go Orange!

I love Ennis, but he isn't big, isn't especially quick, isn't a great shooter, isn't a transcendent passer. His best skill is that he can run a team and doesn't turn the ball over (which are obviously important qualities). He reminds me of Jordan Farmar - a borderline NBA PG. With that said, there aren't 30 real NBA players in any draft, and the guy I just compared him to only played 2 yrs at UCLA before declaring.

 

[ssbriefcase]

I love Ennis, but he isn't big, isn't especially quick, isn't a great shooter, isn't a transcendent passer. His best skill is that he can run a team and doesn't turn the ball over (which are obviously important qualities). He reminds me of Jordan Farmar - a borderline NBA PG. With that said, there aren't 30 real NBA players in any draft, and the guy I just compared him to only played 2 yrs at UCLA before declaring.

That is a very good comparison by the way..

 

[Fly Rodder]

last one was c.j. fair

Fair was projected to be, at best, an early 2nd rounder last season and didn't show up in mock drafts prior to 2013's. I'm not sure anyone really expected him to leave. There was no reason for him not to test the water though.

 

[TerryM]

His stock will certainly be at its peak if he brings JB his second glass slipper. Let's hope he reaches the top.

And if this happens. I will will be his biggest fan in the NBA next year.

 

[Sgt Cuse]

The guys putting together mock drafts have sources. They all do, even the ones with poor reputations. If they start putting kids in the first round - six months away from the draft - it's not because they dreamt it up themselves. They put the kids in there because their agent buddies, scouts, and people in GM offices have interest. And if there is interest, there is money.

Every year, kids start showing up in the NBA mock drafts and people discount it as too early, no one knows, he's not ready, and 90% of the time, the kids jump to the draft in April. The number of kids that stay an extra year usually don't move up in the draft at all (and typically backslide).

Kaleb Joseph wasn't recruited to ride the pine and Ennis wouldn't be showing up in the first round of multiple mock drafts if the NBA wasn't keenly interested in him.

What a load of bunk. They all have sources? C'mon. It doesn't take much, and certainly does not require contacts, to create a draft blog.

And if a kid rises in some of these bogus mocks, what about the guys that dropped? These kids were all early at one time, yet they all are not all getting drafted in the lottery.

And finally I highly doubt the recruitment of KJ2 included any mention of Ennis leaving in the draft after this year. KJ2 seems like he can easily accept the process of ascending into his position by being the backup for a year.

 

[dasher]

Fair was projected to be, at best, an early 2nd rounder last season and didn't show up in mock drafts prior to 2013's. I'm not sure anyone really expected him to leave. There was no reason for him not to test the water though.

Last year I went to the Hall of fame high school tournament in spfd to see Ennis and brisco. The kid, and he was a kid, sitting behind me, with his mom, writes one of those nba draft blogs. It doesn't take much talent to see how good tyler is. Time will tell what he ends up doing. Mu money right now is that he is coming back. But I wouldn't bet a lot on it.

 

[Jake]

NBA scouts will want too see more range before they sign off on Ennis to the NBA.

 

[Oakland]

I wonder what the percentage is of kids who left early, that were the subject of these "is he staying or leaving", threads every season?

That is easy - 100%. Almost every kid we get is spectulated to go to the league before they graduate. Heck, I'm pretty sure there is a 'Brandon Reese in the NBA' post in the archives.

 

[BostonOrange]

That is a very good comparison by the way..

Admittedly I think I came up with Farmar because they kind of look alike, but they do have similar playing styles and their freshmen #'s are virtually identical

 

[BostonOrange]

NBA scouts will want too see more range before they sign off on Ennis to the NBA.

Maybe, but everything is so much of a projection now. As long as they think he will be able to add range that might be good enough to sneak into the bottom of the 1st round...

 

[cap2nine]

The debate about Ennis leaving early is a little silly but understandable. He's proving himself to be one of the best PGs in the country, is likely an early favorite for the Cousy Award and is now being added as a fifth to the previously "four fantastic freshman". You can bet your a$$ that those other four guys are gone at the end of this year.

But, the way I see it, it's really a win-win situation. Suppose Ennis continues to impress, leads the team to ACC and NCAA success. His stock is likely to rise a bit more and he could end up as a mid 1st round pick, perhaps even a low lottery pick. A 3rd straight SU guard lotto pick? That would be some mighty strong recruiting testimony. Then again, he may falter or settle down to more common freshman performances, all this draft talk blows over and we get the Canadian creator back for at least one more year. Obviously there are lots of other, possible scenarios but I feel those are the two most likely, and I'd live happily with either one.

 

[ssbriefcase]

Admittedly I think I came up with Farmar because they kind of look alike, but they do have similar playing styles and their freshmen #'s are virtually identical

Size is identical

 

[orangefan13]

Ennis is drawing doubles on the three point line, midrange, and in the post. Thats REALLY good.

Hard for a nba scout to pass on that. That could put him ahead of Jerami and Fair on readiness.

I think part of the reason he doesn't shoot to much from outside is because hes our best and only perimeter driver. Its way better for this teams chemistry for him to take it inside for a midrange floater/jumper, layup, or find a easy pass off the double. We don't need him to shoot the three, and when he does opponents will be licking their lips for a miss rebound because is he the main focal point of our ball movement. He also has the ability to hesitates and create in the lane picking up his dribble. That is something you never would have seen from scoop,mcw, or flynn but is more of a edelin-like skill.

 

[anomander]

Coming into this season I was confident we would get 2 seasons out of him. Now i'm not to certain. You have to think Ennis had a plan as well, and I would assume he wasn't projecting himself as 1 and done neither. Everyone knows how deep this years draft is, and how a lot of the early picks are on potential. While I believe Ennis is just as good or better then Harrison and Smart there is no certainty what GM's will do. I think he will be smart, work on his body, his J, and come back for 1 more year as the clear cut #1 PG in the country.

It would be tough losing Baye, CJ, Grant, and Ennis all in 1 year with only 2 kids coming in.

 

[anglerman]

we were. and mcw is 6-6.

But you were wrong last year and you're wrong this year. Ennis is better player than MCW. He is likely gone.

 

[orange79]

Just my opinion, but unless we win it all, I think Ennis and Grant are back. If we do win it all? Thanks, guys! Hope you can make it back for the raising of the banner.

 

[dasher]

But you were wrong last year and you're wrong this year. Ennis is better player than MCW. He is likely gone.

where was I wrong? I said there was a long time. Not that he was staying. There was a long time.