we're 112th in the country in passing attempts per game - attendance?

[Millhouse]

How many of those did you see on Sat?

There have been games where they've thrown a lot of passes over the years. 31 attempts is the average of the 80th ranked team in passing attempts

This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Diehard SU fan that thinks 31 attempts is a lot. Look around!

 

[Full_Rebar]

3 pts in the 2nd half vs Virginia. 3 pts in the 2nd half vs Pitt

Middle of the ACC in yards per play, 75th in the the country in that stat as well.

The offense is better than last year. Young players show potential for sure, but this isn't a truly functional D1 offense in 2015.

 

[Millhouse]

3 pts in the 2nd half vs Virginia. 3 pts in the 2nd half vs Pitt

Middle of the ACC in yards per play, 75th in the the country in that stat as well.

The offense is better than last year. Young players show potential for sure, but this isn't a truly functional D1 offense in 2015.

yeah, i'm not trying to measure how good the offense by looking at pass attempts. one way to have a lot of pass attempts is to suck and play from way behind.

SU has too many boosters that don't like what college football has become. I think there are lots of fans out there who do like what college football has become that resent how stubborn SU is about doing things the hard way

 

[TheCusian]

There have been games where they've thrown a lot of passes over the years. 31 attempts is the average of the 80th ranked team in passing attempts This is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. Diehard SU fan that thinks 31 attempts is a lot. Look around!

I was referring to the short side option. We seem to have run less option in the last two games in favor of passing.

I'd love to see more plays. We're great in the two minute drill. Go faster on some drives. Esp after a 3-out on D.

 

[Full_Rebar]

yeah, i'm not trying to measure how good the offense by looking at pass attempts. one way to have a lot of pass attempts is to suck and play from way behind.

SU has too many boosters that don't like what college football has become. I think there are lots of fans out there who do like what college football has become that resent how stubborn SU is about doing things the hard way

Right, just commenting about the opinions that we are passing the look test. Being 75th in yards per play shows that what we think is worlds better, is still in need of a lot of work.

 

[TheCusian]

yeah, i'm not trying to measure how good the offense by looking at pass attempts. one way to have a lot of pass attempts is to suck and play from way behind. SU has too many boosters that don't like what college football has become. I think there are lots of fans out there who do like what college football has become that resent how stubborn SU is about doing things the hard way

Might be a little tin-foil hattish ... I think a guy who threw as much as Lester did, likes to pass more than run. But he's smart and knows running makes passing easier (and vice versa).

 

[Millhouse]

Might be a little tin-foil hattish ... I think a guy who threw as much as Lester did, likes to pass more than run. But he's smart and knows running makes passing easier (and vice versa).

Why do 112 teams, most of whom have way worse QBs, throw it more than us then?

Look at other teams

The meatheads who want to run 50 times and pass 25 times need to think about the types of players that will come play for 22000 people. It's ok to pay attention to attendance.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

I'd be fine with Riley Dixon leaping defenders every play if it put points on the board. Where SU ranks in passing attempts is of little to no concern to me at all. SU is scoring more than they have recently, and there are players that are fun to watch. I look forward to Dungey progressing as a QB and Lester progressing as a D1 OC.

 

[Millhouse]

I'd be fine with Riley Dixon leaping defenders every play if it put points on the board. Where SU ranks in passing attempts is of little to no concern to me at all. SU is scoring more than they have recently, and there are players that are fun to watch. I look forward to Dungey progressing as a QB and Lester progressing as a D1 OC.

self selection

if you ask the people who go to see a team that doesn't throw it, they'll tell you they're ok with it - otherwise they wouldn't go.

the problem is there aren't that many people like you

we have a lot of people voting with their feet here. do we care?

 

[Louie and Bouie]

We've run the ball 256 times and passed it 176 times. Our opponents have run the ball 271 times and have passed it 219 times.

The amount of pass attempts without taking into account total offensive plays is meaningless.

 

[baggerbob]

Why do 112 teams, most of whom have way worse QBs, throw it more than us then?

Look at other teams

The meatheads who want to run 50 times and pass 25 times need to think about the types of players that will come play for 22000 people. It's ok to pay attention to attendance.

Starting with LSU Run-32, Pass-38
USF 33 34
VIR 43 22
PITT 23 31
Tim said in the Virginia game they called 32 pass plays, and Eric missed his hot reads, and took off running. This shows they want to throw the ball more, and as Scott said, Eric needs to throw it away rather then run all the time.

 

[Millhouse]

We've run the ball 256 times and passed it 176 times. Our opponents have run the ball 271 times and have passed it 219 times.

The amount of pass attempts without taking into account total offensive plays is meaningless.

they should put that in a commercial.

Sure we don't throw much but that's ok because we run less that you think too

 

[Millhouse]

Starting with LSU Run-32, Pass-38
USF 33 34
VIR 43 22
PITT 23 31
Tim said in the Virginia game they called 32 pass plays, and Eric missed his hot reads, and took off running. This shows they want to throw the ball more, and as Scott said, Eric needs to throw it away rather then run all the time.

how much of the fifteen year average do you want to chalk up to erik dungey's missed hot reads

everyone yells at me to back out overtime and defensive scores from everyone

now it's YEAHBUTHOTREADS

 

[OrangeinBoston]

This is utter madness.

We're 111th in the country at home. Guys, there aren't that many big plays.

We have other threads talking about attendance. Your limited pool of football fans already loves the NFL. They get a steady diet of run and stop the run by the best of the best all day on Sunday.

If those people have any interest in watching football on Saturday, they have a choice between going to the dome to watch a team who throws less than 88% of teams or they can stay home and flip around until they find a shootout before watching the SEC game on CBS at night.

Why in the hell would anyone who watches football all day on Sunday want to watch a team who doesn't throw on Saturday? The people who love college football the most and don't care about the NFL are much less likely to care whether SU is offering a different product to the vast majority of people who like football at all in the area. These people seem to be running the show here.

Toss in that we've had one good year in 14 years when they were 37th in pass attempts per game.

We have this incredibly awful combination of influencers that don't realize what's going on in college football and don't care to differentiate the product from what most fans already consume on Sunday.

This is what happens when statistics get mistaken for thinking.

According to your "logic" (I'm being generous), if SU was steamrolling people with a massively effective running game, and was undefeated, people wouldn't attend simply because balls weren't flying around the Dome.

Winning is important, not how you do it.

 

[NineOneSeven]

WE PLAY IN A DOME

LOL

 

[TheCusian]

how much of the fifteen year average do you want to chalk up to erik dungey's missed hot reads everyone yells at me to back out overtime and defensive scores from everyone now it's YEAHBUTHOTREADS

What do you want us to say? Passing and scoring means more butts in the seats. Yes. That's true. Emphatically true. It's such a mantra of yours that it's likely a hazing for board newbies.

But if you're taking that metric (moved off of YPP) and applying it to this year, you have to be honest about the data. How much is called run? How much is called pass? How much is run/pass option? Did you remove the game vs FCS where we ran the entire 2nd half? (I did - 198 R/156 P vs FBS). How about when our good passer went down with injury and we get conservative as a result vs CMU?

 

[baggerbob]

how much of the fifteen year average do you want to chalk up to erik dungey's missed hot reads

everyone yells at me to back out overtime and defensive scores from everyone

now it's YEAHBUTHOTREADS

It appears that Tim understands we need to throw the ball more, and that is what he is doing, so give it a rest, the last 15 years are gone. This is a new OC, with a freshman OB learning the ropes. The last 4 games we are starting to call more pass plays then runs, lets see how this plays out the rest of the year.

 

[Chip]

Dungey getting killed hurt a drive

I'm really worried about him this weekend against an angry FSU defense.

For this week, I'd completely scrap the triple option (FSU just played it anyway). And if he gets in trouble I'd tell him to always run outside, so you can either heave it without a grounding call, or step out of bounds if you do run for positive yards.

Given the hits he's already taken, him running up the middle on a broken play can end his season. This isn't the game that it's worth risking it.

 

[OrangeinBoston]

LSU season statistics:

325 runs 129 pass

Just sayin'

 

[CusefanATL]

This is utter madness.

We're 111th in the country at home. Guys, there aren't that many big plays.

We have other threads talking about attendance. Your limited pool of football fans already loves the NFL. They get a steady diet of run and stop the run by the best of the best all day on Sunday.

If those people have any interest in watching football on Saturday, they have a choice between going to the dome to watch a team who throws less than 88% of teams or they can stay home and flip around until they find a shootout before watching the SEC game on CBS at night.

Why in the hell would anyone who watches football all day on Sunday want to watch a team who doesn't throw on Saturday? The people who love college football the most and don't care about the NFL are much less likely to care whether SU is offering a different product to the vast majority of people who like football at all in the area. These people seem to be running the show here.

Toss in that we've had one good year in 14 years when they were 37th in pass attempts per game.

We have this incredibly awful combination of influencers that don't realize what's going on in college football and don't care to differentiate the product from what most fans already consume on Sunday.

Without reading this whole thread, I will say the part that pisses me off the most is our lack of plays. we are way too slow at everything.

 

[TheCusian]

Without reading this whole thread, I will say the part that pisses me off the most is our lack of plays. we are way too slow at everything.

I think that's the real problem. The offense moves the ball, they just need two good halves and a defense who can give them the ball back.

Going fast would help too.

 

[donniesyracuse]

Going fast would help too.

I've wondered if they are deliberately keeping things slow for Dungey. Maybe next year they will pick up the pace. It seemed to make a huge difference when the offense went up-tempo in 2012. Of course, hurry-up offenses might not be ideal for every QB. It's also no longer a unique idea.

 

[TheCusian]

I've wondered if they are deliberately keeping things slow for Dungey. I wonder if next year they will pick up the pace. It seemed to make a huge difference when the offense went up-tempo in 2012. Of course, hurry-up offenses might not be ideal for every QB. It's also no longer a unique idea.

I think if your defense is struggling going fast makes it tougher on them. I'd love us to go no huddle after a 3 and out. That two minute drill at the end of the half vs Pitt was really nice. Eric can make those throws and seems to process pretty quick.

Might be more about limiting TO's.

 

[Millhouse]

LSU season statistics:

325 runs 129 pass

Just sayin'

we are not a factory. i would feel differently if i were lsu. pick an offense that is good for your defense to practice against, recruit the best of the best, and compete for many national championships

 

[OttoinGrotto]

LSU season statistics:

325 runs 129 pass

Just sayin'

When we have a Heisman running back, I'll stop complaining about us not passing enough.