we're 112th in the country in passing attempts per game - attendance?

[Millhouse]

It appears that Tim understands we need to throw the ball more, and that is what he is doing, so give it a rest, the last 15 years are gone. This is a new OC, with a freshman OB learning the ropes. The last 4 games we are starting to call more pass plays then runs, lets see how this plays out the rest of the year.

the last 4 games averaged 31.25 passes which is 78th nationally

 

[Millhouse]

This is what happens when statistics get mistaken for thinking.

According to your "logic" (I'm being generous), if SU was steamrolling people with a massively effective running game, and was undefeated, people wouldn't attend simply because balls weren't flying around the Dome.

Winning is important, not how you do it.

the 110 teams (many of whom are like LSU and don't have to worry about attendance) who throw more than us must think it's more difficult to steamroll people with their running game

 

[Millhouse]

When we have a Heisman running back, I'll stop complaining about us not passing enough.

i'm pretty sure LSU fans would prefer if Les Miles could get a good season from a QB more than once every 5 years

meatheads ignore the whole of college football and pick out stanford or wisconsin or LSU. there are always a couple.

 

[Louie and Bouie]

Btw, we are 97th in the nation in rushing attempts.

We need to run the ball more.

 

[Millhouse]

Btw, we are 97th in the nation in rushing attempts.

We need to run the ball more.

tens of people between the 20 yard lines agree with you

 

[Upstate]

I understand what you're getting at, but not everyone inherently wants to watch passing. I think mostly people just want to see success. Whether that's successful teams (wins) or successful plays (big yardage), I think they just want to see positives. On the other hand, people also like to watch great atmospheres. Watching that SEC game on CBS at Alabama or LSU or Georgia -- it makes any boring game that much more watchable. What SU hasn't had are the stats to really show the yards/wins dynamic. When SU has gained yards, they've won, when they haven't, they haven't won. Haven't really had a great offense that still loses, or a stagnant offense that wins with defense. That said, you're right about scoring and putting butts in seats, that should always coincide.

 

[TheCusian]

tens of people between the 20 yard lines agree with you

Missed point I think. Problem is not run/pass ratio. By all accounts Dungey has a bunch of pass/run options. You take what the defense gives you (I'm having deja vu). It's plays per game.

And honest question: do you think the average fan prefers this game vs FSU over last years?

I think there is buzz building for EFD and this offense.

 

[baggerbob]

the last 4 games averaged 31.25 passes which is 78th nationally

You left out the fact that the Virginia game Tim said they called 32 pass plays, which Eric made the mistake of missing reads, and ran 10 times. That would move it to almost 34, and if we run more plays say 75, for the last 4 games 50% are pass plays. The last 4 games we average 64 plays per game. Tim just needs to keep the offense on the field longer.

 

[upperdeck]

Why do 112 teams, most of whom have way worse QBs, throw it more than us then?

Look at other teams

The meatheads who want to run 50 times and pass 25 times need to think about the types of players that will come play for 22000 people. It's ok to pay attention to attendance.

you cant run 10 plays in a half and then look at total passes and say we are not throwing the ball enough.. the same as you cant look at a pass/run ratio and have any idea what the play was supposed to be and how it ended up. what if dungey is running 5 times when the play is really a pass?

 

[upperdeck]

the last 4 games averaged 31.25 passes which is 78th nationally

and we have had quarters with almost no plays.. it only takes about 1 drive to make the numbers look good.. 1 play Int Drives and 2-3 3 and outs with a D that has given up hugely long drives take plays away

 

[Millhouse]

and we have had quarters with almost no plays.. it only takes about 1 drive to make the numbers look good.. 1 play Int Drives and 2-3 3 and outs with a D that has given up hugely long drives take plays away

this is difficult to sell to fans who aren't going

if we committed to throwing the ball more for a sustained period time with stability in scheme, i think they'd sell more tickets.

or we can hope to magically become LSU

 

[upperdeck]

but watching the games regardless of what the stats say does it not feel like we are throwing way more? Last week I thought we threw way too much and it only ended up 31 times because we never saw the ball . people want to see points but play calling is not the reason we dont score more, mistakes are. UV it was fumbles/ Pitt it was Ints and not scoring from inside the 5. its hard to pass more with the WR talent we have even if we wanted too.

 

[Millhouse]

but watching the games regardless of what the stats say does it not feel like we are throwing way more? Last week I thought we threw way too much and it only ended up 31 times because we never saw the ball . people want to see points but play calling is not the reason we dont score more, mistakes are. UV it was fumbles/ Pitt it was Ints and not scoring from inside the 5. its hard to pass more with the WR talent we have even if we wanted too.

why are we talking about whether it feels like we are throwing

it's not a hard thing to count.

 

[TheCusian]

this is difficult to sell to fans who aren't going if we committed to throwing the ball more for a sustained period time with stability in scheme, i think they'd sell more tickets. or we can hope to magically become LSU

Yes. Passing and scoring would drive ticket sales.

But that's not an indictment of this offense this year. It's just not.

 

[Millhouse]

Yes. Passing and scoring would drive ticket sales.

But that's not an indictment of this offense this year. It's just not.

i'm not indicting anyone. i'm saying there aren't a lot of passes because there aren't. i think people would prefer to see a lot of passes.

 

[TheCusian]

why are we talking about whether it feels like we are throwing it's not a hard thing to count.

Speaking of counting.

How do you account for pass/run option? We know Dungey got walloped on a play that was pass or run based off of MLB.

Isn't that how you'd want it to be? Or you think we should pass to establish ticket sales no matter what?

 

[Louie and Bouie]

why are we talking about whether it feels like we are throwing

it's not a hard thing to count.

Huh? We've thrown more than run 3 of the last 4 games.

Also, are you aware that TCU and Baylor have more rushing attempts than passing attempts this year?

 

[Louie and Bouie]

i'm not indicting anyone. i'm saying there aren't a lot of passes because there aren't. i think people would prefer to see a lot of passes.

You wanna see more passes. People not coming at this point wanna see more wins.

 

[Millhouse]

You wanna see more passes. People not coming at this point wanna see more wins.

people who care about wins are already there. we grow the fan base by giving them a show. lets not assume that more passes hurts their wins because that means so many other teams must be stupid

 

[Millhouse]

Speaking of counting.

How do you account for pass/run option? We know Dungey got walloped on a play that was pass or run based off of MLB.

Isn't that how you'd want it to be? Or you think we should pass to establish ticket sales no matter what?

Lots of teams used packaged plays. Most of them throw more than us.

you're coming up with lots of stories to explain why a team that throws less than everyone actually wants to throw more than everyone

 

[Millhouse]

Huh? We've thrown more than run 3 of the last 4 games.

Also, are you aware that TCU and Baylor have more rushing attempts than passing attempts this year?

i'm all for faster offense so we can get more of everything. baylor throws 30% more passes per game than us. even though they're up by 100 by halftime every game

TCU throws 52% more passes

if we ran 3 plays in a game and two of them are passes, people don't go home talking about that exciting proportion

 

[TheCusian]

Lots of teams used packaged plays. Most of them throw more than us. you're coming up with lots of stories to explain why a team that throws less than everyone actually wants to throw more than everyone

Huh?

Run/Pass option means it's not predetermined - you count the box and go. So vs Pitt we threw more because they liked to play single coverage with a bunch of guys close to the line. When we run a lot it's because teams are sitting back.

It has nothing to do with pleasing the average fan who likes the pass and heard the phrase air raid 10 years ago.

You keep beating this drum and people keep saying its plays per game. More plays = more passing. If we played the same in both halves just once our numbers would jump, scoring, YPP, plays per game, and the amount of passes per game, etc.

We know the issue. A suspect defense means we have less opportunities. It also means we are less likely to play with pace. As our D gets better, our O numbers will get better (not to mention, our young offensive players will be that much better).

If we play average Shafer/Bulluogh D, and play two halves on O we win a lot of games scoring a bunch of points. Dungey, Fredericks, Ishmeal, Phillips - will put fans in the seats.

Everyone lives happily ever after. How'd you like that story

 

[domestu]

It appears that Tim understands we need to throw the ball more, and that is what he is doing, so give it a rest, the last 15 years are gone. This is a new OC, with a freshman OB learning the ropes. The last 4 games we are starting to call more pass plays then runs, lets see how this plays out the rest of the year.

Every offensive coordinator understands that he has to call more pass plays in games when his team is trailing. Since the strength of our offensive personnel is the passing game, it would be nice to try to utilize that more in the play calling. Every team throws more in games they lose. It would be nice to see more passing when we aren't trailing.