What are the expectations for CD-RW?

[HRE Otto IV]

I think he will at least be Perry Patterson with the potential to be Marvin Graves. As of right now I am leaning Perry.

 

[dollarbill44]

Obviously this is subjective, but his body language was pretty terrible yesterday. Felt like he didn't want to be there.

Yeah, I didn't like his game face.

 

[baggerbob]

CDRW looked fantastic against Colgate, and somewhat came back down to earth against WMU.

Then again, there are reasons for that -- many of which have been stated already:

• Playing with the 2's / 3's
• Force feeding the running game to Price
• Drives stalled
• Weren't looking to pour it on like in game 1
• Etc.

None of which silence the critics. I'm still not sure what we have in CDRW. He flashes lots of potential, but then has games where he looks below average. Again, under extenuating circumstances.

But Pitt still looms heavy in my mind.

And that Pitt game was a reminder of TD and Notre Dame.
That was when teams decided that was the way to get to TD.
He never recovered from that and learned how to extend plays.
Hopefully CDRW will learn and not panic under pressure.

 

[SUbear]

Two games in we've played well enough to see a lot of Del Rio-Wilson.

Stat line is 15/22 for (68.2%) for 206 yards and 3 TDs. That seems very good.

I still see a lot of skepticism about QB2 though. How come?

Yesterday the ball didn't move as well in the 2nd half as it did the first, but we definitely were making a concerted effort to give Price the ball, some penalties blew up drives, and he was playing with a lot of 2s.

I'm very confident that if we need to turn to him, he's going to play well, and he's lining himself up for a strong season next year as QB1.

He has looked good in one game and not good in the second. For me right now he is too inconsistent, I think he has the tools but needs to be more focused and not have big drop off in performance.
Against colgate he passed well and managed drives well. Against WMU he did not do either.

 

[SUbear]

I wish we still had Lamson. He may not have CDRW's amazing arm but I think he's a better all-around QB at this time and more similar to Shrader.

Watched him in the Stanford/USC game, which he took over in 1st Q due to injury of their starter, he did not look very good. Stanford was just way overtalented in that game, but even with that he did not look like anyone numero uno.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

He has looked good in one game and not good in the second. For me right now he is too inconsistent, I think he has the tools but needs to be more focused and not have big drop off in performance.
Against colgate he passed well and managed drives well. Against WMU he did not do either.

He was 5 of 9, so missed on some passes, but I would argue that the bigger factor in managing the drives were the short gains Price and the OL mustered on first down, and the penalties that bumped them back, moreso than anything CD-RW did.

 

[SmilinBob]

He was 5 of 9, so missed on some passes, but I would argue that the bigger factor in managing the drives were the short gains Price and the OL mustered on first down, and the penalties that bumped them back, moreso than anything CD-RW did.

I don't know OiG, Allen wasn't getting a lot of yards either and Shrader did pretty well. I like CDRW but he has to stop the happy feet and settle down but that said, a lot of snaps usually helps with that.

 

[GoSU96]

He was 5 of 9, so missed on some passes, but I would argue that the bigger factor in managing the drives were the short gains Price and the OL mustered on first down, and the penalties that bumped them back, moreso than anything CD-RW did.

They weren’t helping him with the play calls on first down. That’s when they decided to start beating their head against the wall. And he didn’t have Allen, OGIII, and Alford.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

They weren’t helping him with the play calls on first down. That’s when they decided to start beating their head against the wall. And he didn’t have Allen, OGIII, and Alford.

Yeah I looked at the drive chart. Three of four drives started with like 2 yard runs.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Obviously this is subjective, but his body language was pretty terrible yesterday. Felt like he didn't want to be there.

To be fair they didn’t let him run any of the playbook.

 

[007]

CDRW looked fantastic against Colgate, and somewhat came back down to earth against WMU.

Then again, there are reasons for that -- many of which have been stated already:

• Playing with the 2's / 3's
• Force feeding the running game to Price
• Drives stalled
• Weren't looking to pour it on like in game 1
• Etc.

None of which silence the critics. I'm still not sure what we have in CDRW. He flashes lots of potential, but then has games where he looks below average. Again, under extenuating circumstances.

But Pitt still looms heavy in my mind.

This is a reasonable take. Most especially the "not sure what we have in CDRW" point.

Sitting in the stands and watching the ball come out of CDRW's hand - it is very obvious how different his throws look in terms of easy velocity and a tight spiral. Not unlike TD, although I think that TD has a even better arm.

It's all the other aspects of playing QB - accuracy, poise in the pocket, reading D, decision making, escapability - that I have questions about. Not saying he can't do these things, only that "we" have not seen enough evidence yet to believe that he can do it consistently under duress.

To answer the thread question, I'm not sure what to "expect" from CDRW. And I'm not sure the staff does either at this point.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

This is a reasonable take. Most especially the "not sure what we have in CDRW" point.

Sitting in the stands and watching the ball come out of CDRW's hand - it is very obvious how different his throws look in terms of easy velocity and a tight spiral. Not unlike TD, although I think that TD has a even better arm.

It's all the other aspects of playing QB - accuracy, poise in the pocket, reading D, decision making, escapability - that I have questions about. Not saying he can't do these things, only that "we" have not seen enough evidence yet to believe that he can do it consistently under duress.

To answer the thread question, I'm not sure what to "expect" from CDRW. And I'm not sure the staff does either at this point.

The accuracy thing is interesting to me. Small sample sizes and all, but he's at 68.2% vs Shrader's 68.5%.

Now, maybe we don't expect that completion percentage to hold up, but looking purely at that completion percentage, it doesn't seem accuracy in general is an issue. He has had a few inaccurate balls. That's a little different though.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

The accuracy thing is interesting to me. Small sample sizes and all, but he's at 68.2% vs Shrader's 68.5%.

Now, maybe we don't expect that completion percentage to hold up, but looking purely at that completion percentage, it doesn't seem accuracy in general is an issue. He has had a few inaccurate balls. That's a little different though.

55.6% vs WMU
Didn't connect with WRs in 1st half of Spring game
Had good 2nd half of Spring game and finished 62.5% (worse than Lamson though)
0-1 vs FSU
34.8% vs Pitt
50% vs ND
1-1 vs Wagner
1-3 vs UConn
1-1 vs Louisville
50.7% combined in all real games
Colgate's 76.9% is the outlier

 

[sufandu]

I seem to remember Madei Williams looked good as McNabb's back up too. I don't think any of us really know whether CDRW has 'IT' until he is in a situation against a real opponent where he has to make plays to win us a game. Hopefully the coaches know, so they can plan for whatever needs to happen one way or another.

 

[007]

The accuracy thing is interesting to me. Small sample sizes and all, but he's at 68.2% vs Shrader's 68.5%.

Now, maybe we don't expect that completion percentage to hold up, but looking purely at that completion percentage, it doesn't seem accuracy in general is an issue. He has had a few inaccurate balls. That's a little different though.

See HRE Otto IV stats above.

Not claiming to be a QB guru or anything close. Watching him throw live his throws tend to sail or he is throwing behind receivers too often. Seems to rush or be too late. But... sample size is small.

 

[GoSU96]

See HRE Otto IV stats above.

Not claiming to be a QB guru or anything close. Watching him throw live his throws tend to sail or he is throwing behind receivers too often. Seems to rush or be too late. But... sample size is small.

Yeah, he sails the ball.

 

[Eric15]

He kind of reminds me of Devito. Really good in a clean pocket, is not great in chaos. Hopefully he can get better at being pressured.

That's my take, as well. He has a huge arm, but he seems mechanical in his approach and isn't crafty/slippery avoiding tackles like Garrett is.

 

[baggerbob]

That's my take, as well. He has a huge arm, but he seems mechanical in his approach and isn't crafty/slippery avoiding tackles like Garrett is.

Garrett Like Eric seems to feel pressure and moves out of the way.
Just like Eric sometimes gets caught, but a lot of times make a play from nothing.

 

[Eric15]

Garrett Like Eric seems to feel pressure and moves out of the way.
Just like Eric sometimes gets caught, but a lot of times make a play from nothing.

Looks like someone has been watching my intramural flag football highlight reel oh wait nevermind you were talking about Dungey.

 

[Bulldog04]

There’s nothing calming to me about him. I feel calm when GS has the ball. Felt calm with dungey. Opposite with devito. Opposite with CDRW. Does he have a great arm yes, but little frantic for my liking. He gets those crazy eyes going too lol

 

[SUbear]

He was 5 of 9, so missed on some passes, but I would argue that the bigger factor in managing the drives were the short gains Price and the OL mustered on first down, and the penalties that bumped them back, moreso than anything CD-RW did.

You may disagree but I felt he did not pass well even on his completions, and he did not manage(direct) his team overall well. Not saying he cannot just that he must be a better QB for me than he showed in that game, I thought he played well against Colgate.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

There’s nothing calming to me about him. I feel calm when GS has the ball. Felt calm with dungey. Opposite with devito. Opposite with CDRW. Does he have a great arm yes, but little frantic for my liking. He gets those crazy eyes going too lol

See the crazy eyes are one of my favorite things about him tho.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

55.6% vs WMU
Didn't connect with WRs in 1st half of Spring game
Had good 2nd half of Spring game and finished 62.5% (worse than Lamson though)
0-1 vs FSU
34.8% vs Pitt
50% vs ND
1-1 vs Wagner
1-3 vs UConn
1-1 vs Louisville
50.7% combined in all real games
Colgate's 76.9% is the outlier

Yeah I really don't know how relevant his numbers from last year are, and I have a hard time buying how relevant spring game stats are.

Especially if we're saying an actual game performance is an outlier.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Yeah I really don't know how relevant his numbers from last year are, and I have a hard time buying how relevant spring game stats are.

Especially if we're saying an actual game performance is an outlier.

My point with the Spring game is stats usually get inflated. The fact that he struggled isn’t a good sign.

 

[JKinPhilly]

My point with the Spring game is stats usually get inflated. The fact that he struggled isn’t a good sign.

struggled against a top 5 defense in the country...maybe that had something to do with it? I don't know what to make of it but something to keep in mind