What is the Point

[SUfaninAZ]

I think Pumas and Tigres of the Mexican premier scorer league are owned by universities.

 

[Toga]

So you're saying that ice sculptures and panty raids are not coming back.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Eventually the teams probably will be "owned" by private parties and the school will license the team to use their name. And eventually the school names will be dropped also. It will formally be the NFL Minor leagues.

Hope that’s not in my lifetime. Certain P2 schools will never want to give up their revenue or TV money.

 

[RF2044]

Understand so is the answers just give up trying. Would like to see a rule that transfers have to sit 1 year and 5 to play 5. While not directly related to payments may create better controls. Understand the ship has sailed for now. People like Pitino, Sampson. Pearl will always find a way regardless of rules.

No -- the answer was to not turn collegiate sports into professional sports, to not hastily roll out poorly conceived changes due to public pressure associated with then-applicable zeitgeist, to not make it "legal" for boosters to actively seek to poach players from other teams who haven't entered the transfer portal as yet, and to not turn player transfers via the portal into out-and-out free agency.

But the genie is completely out of the bottle now.

Oops.

Per usual, the NCAA made everything worse. Under Mark Emmert, they screwed up about 90% of everything they touched. Largely because they are an arbitrary and capricious sham of a regulatory body.

 

[cusefan88]

No -- the answer was to not turn collegiate sports into professional sports, to not hastily roll out poorly conceived changes due to public pressure associated with then-applicable zeitgeist, to not make it "legal" for boosters to actively seek to poach players from other teams who haven't entered the transfer portal as yet, and to not turn player transfers via the portal into out-and-out free agency.

But the genie is completely out of the bottle now.

Oops.

Per usual, the NCAA made everything worse. Under Mark Emmert, they screwed up about 90% of everything they touched. Largely because they are an arbitrary and capricious sham of a regulatory body.

Proactive changes and framework 6-7 years ago would have avoided this to an extent I think.

Imagine telling the NCAA during the O'Bannon trial that this would happen.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Then don’t give them a scholarship at all. Give it to someone who needs and wants it.

The athletic department gives, and pays for, the scholarships, not the educational arm of the schools.

 

[Newhouser]

No -- the answer was to not turn collegiate sports into professional sports, to not hastily roll out poorly conceived changes due to public pressure associated with then-applicable zeitgeist, to not make it "legal" for boosters to actively seek to poach players from other teams who haven't entered the transfer portal as yet, and to not turn player transfers via the portal into out-and-out free agency.

But the genie is completely out of the bottle now.

Oops.

Per usual, the NCAA made everything worse. Under Mark Emmert, they screwed up about 90% of everything they touched. Largely because they are an arbitrary and capricious sham of a regulatory body.

The schools who empowered the NCAA are just as guilty.

 

[UnknownOrange]

Okay I had a job on campus during my time as a student. How is that any different?

Paid by the university: yes
Attended classes: yes

The amount of money a bookstore worker would never be that of a college professor, so what’s it matter?

 

[SU68]

Sure, everybody would prefer that. But the NCAA is proven over a multi-decade span that they are congenitally incapable of even regulating potted plants.

So...

Fortunately, at least in football, the NCAA will have no say in the matter.

 

[OmahaCuse]

The athletic department gives, and pays for, the scholarships, not the educational arm of the school

I would think for Athletic Departments in the red (Rutgers/ UCONN/ Maryland) will not be able to fund the 20.5M without going into more debt or creating bigger problems for them.

 

[orangecuse]

So, the big institutions and their coaches keep all the money, but labor gets squat. Sort of a plantation mentality, don’t you think?

What an asinine comment your plantation remark is. That "labor" you allude to had 100% free will and fully and voluntarily chose (within their own power) to accept the LOI, etc. Not to mention the fact that it was by far these "labor" folk's best opportunity (at that time) to showcase their skills, talents, etc. that they otherwise probably wouldn't have ever had. Additionally, these "labor" folks could've chosen another path or route, perhaps, a path not of least resistance, but an alternative path nonetheless. A far cry from those individuals subject to that "plantation" reality you carelessly argue.

Oh yeah, and besides the incredible platform these "labor" folks are given, etc., they also received the cost of tuition, housing, food, stipends, and a whole gamut of things, etc. that the vast majority of these non "labor" folks aren't privileged to.

 

[donniesyracuse]

An education lasts forever.

You mean indoctrination.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

So you're saying that ice sculptures and panty raids are not coming back.

Winter of my Sophomore year. A 4-5 person extremely inebriated collection of miscreants decided to build a snow sculpture depicting an anatomically correct set of male genitalia on the Watson quad. In those days it was open on the University Place side. It was about 8 feet tall.

I may or may not have been involved. There is really no way to know.

 

[721Comstock]

Winter of my Sophomore year. A 4-5 person extremely inebriated collection of miscreants decided to build a snow sculpture depicting an anatomically correct set of male genitalia on the Watson quad. In those days it was open on the University Place side. It was about 8 feet tall.

I may or may not have been involved. There is really no way to know.

That’s the beauty of going to college before everybody’s phone had a camera and video recording in it.

Plausible deniability.

No pics/video - it didn’t happen.

… to the best of my recollection.
Your Honor.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

That’s the beauty of going to college before everybody’s phone had a camera and video recording in it.

Plausible deniability.

No pics/video - it didn’t happen.

… to the best of my recollection.
Your Honor.

I’m not saying that a Polaroid photo does or does not not exist or that it may or may not be in a box somewhere in my basement. I am saying that there are no identifiable faces in it. If it actually exists, I mean.

 

[OrangePA]

The players have always been paid. Scholarship, food, apartments, under the table money, cars, etc…i would rather have it in the open and regulated.

It’s obviously quite different now. Scholarship consideration is fundamentally distinct from millions dollar play for pay wages

 

[qdawgg]

You mean indoctrination.

So true. This idea that education has any value in society is ludicrous. What has educating the public done that’s been beneficial. Can we prevent diseases or perform surgeries to help people live longer? Has technology improved our lives in any meaningful way? Have transportation methods provided any fixes to problems? All educational institutions have done is fill kids and adults brains with crap. We’d be so much better off as a society when less than 1% of the population went to college and even a middle school level education was rare. Those were when societies were flourishing and really living. It’s truly sad what we’ve become.

 

[SouthernCuse]

But, but, but, we are already there. While NIL is a concept that reflects fairness for Universities merchandising using their players identities, and is a concept that many people supported, in theory. But NIL is the barest fig leaf for paying players directly. Millions for a high school recruit? How many Trebor Pena jerseys is PSU likely to sell next year? What pissed me about what NIL had become in practice was that it rarely (Cruz tailgate excepted) reflected anything but paying players at arms length.

This ruling drops a huge stone in that pond on the surface, but does it really change that much? Some of the "arms length" NIL payments move in house, but the Athletic departments will no doubt use the NIL institutions to raise money to pay players. Underneath, its just another step to something that seems less like the college football I became a fan of.

 

[GoSU96]

So true. This idea that education has any value in society is ludicrous. What has educating the public done that’s been beneficial. Can we prevent diseases or perform surgeries to help people live longer? Has technology improved our lives in any meaningful way? Have transportation methods provided any fixes to problems? All educational institutions have done is fill kids and adults brains with crap. We’d be so much better off as a society when less than 1% of the population went to college and even a middle school level education was rare. Those were when societies were flourishing and really living. It’s truly sad what we’ve become.

I think he agrees with you.

 

[AlaskaSU]

I"be been saying that college teams will become professional for at least 15 years. A victim of their own success.

 

[texascpa]

Winter of my Sophomore year. A 4-5 person extremely inebriated collection of miscreants decided to build a snow sculpture depicting an anatomically correct set of male genitalia on the Watson quad. In those days it was open on the University Place side. It was about 8 feet tall.

I may or may not have been involved. There is really no way to know.

And thus "Dick_in_MI" was borne.

 

[Cuse1992]

Winter of my Sophomore year. A 4-5 person extremely inebriated collection of miscreants decided to build a snow sculpture depicting an anatomically correct set of male genitalia on the Watson quad. In those days it was open on the University Place side. It was about 8 feet tall.

I may or may not have been involved. There is really no way to know.

Only as a model , if it wasn’t so cold it would have been 12 feet tall

 

[Owens guy]

I've never really understood why there are non-revenue college sports.

Revenue sports (at least in theory) make money that could be used for other needed things and promote the college.

 

[Jcuse_44]

What I’m about to suggest will make some posters pass out, but I would be OK with going to class being officially optional for scholarship athletes.

Meaning, if you want to play a sport while simultaneously getting an education for free, then great it’s there for you. But if you’re someone like Melo or a highly paid NIL player who knows ahead of time he is just passing through for a year on the way to the pros, they can “opt out” of educational requirements and simply be an athlete that represents the university.

interesting thought, except for the fact that the SEC has been doing this since the 70s and that's how they got where they are now. No-one will be able to catch up.

 

[kingtidge]

I've never really understood why there are non-revenue college sports.

Revenue sports (at least in theory) make money that could be used for other needed things and promote the college.

Because olympics and stuff... and the idea of a true student athlete is respected.