What is your prediction for Nassibs progression next season?

[ImperialOrange]

not interested in these calculations.

You should've stopped reading after my first sentence then.

 

[syr02esq]

Nassib has had ups and downs for sure. But I don't see him regressing to the point where he's replaced by an underclassman.

If our offense sputters again we have to give someone else a shot to at least try something new. Look what Rutgers did and they are bowling.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

If our offense sputters again we have to give someone else a shot to at least try something new. Look what Rutgers did and they are bowling.

Not because of their QB play.

 

[MikeSU02]

Going off the premise that Nassib will be our starter for all of next season so please take any personal vendetta elsewhere.

For all his consitancy issues Nassib did improve statistically last year vs what was decidedly a tougher schedule and with one less weapon at WR. Given that, a linear projected improvement isn't much of a stretch.

Season : 2010 -----> 2011 -----> 2012 projected
Comp%: 56.4 ----> 62.4 -----> 69
Yards : 2334 ----> 2685 -----> 3088
TD : 19 ----> 22 -----> 25
INT : 8 ----> 9 -----> 10
Comp : 202 ----> 259
Att : 358 ----> 415

If Nassib has identical progression he will on pace to complete 69% for over 3000 yards with 25 TD's and 10 int's. On paper that looks like a pretty good season but will that be enough to silence the naysayers? It would be nice to have him put up huge numbers but personally I'd like to see improved production (262 completions vs 380 attempts = 69%) on fewer attempts since more attempts will mean the running game isn't much of a weapon once again.

IMHO if he shows somewhere close to linear improvement and the running game can get back to at least 2010 production (1822 yards 4.1 YPC 13 TDs vs 1445 yards 3.6 YPC 10 TDs) our offense should look competent finally. If we can get 3000+ yards w/ 25 TDs from Nassib and 2000+ yards w/ 20 TDs from the running game we should very much be in the running to win the conference since the defense should improve.

So 69% / 3000 yards / 25 TD's / 10 int's is a somewhat logical progression for Nassib. I'm looking for him to acheive this with 262 completions on 380 attempts.

As a fan what do you expect he'll acheive? What do you hope he'll acheive? any reasoning for it?

69% completion percentage would place him around top 10 in the country for this year. He won't hit that number next year.

 

[Fjoinkay]

Nassib has started every game for SU since September of 2009. Heading into his final season after starting the last 25 games I expect him to play like a veteran whether the OL is playing well or the OL is struggling. If the OL is struggling or the opposing D is sending a lot of pressure I expect him to anticipate the pressure better and also to respond better to the pressure whether with his feet or with his vision and understanding of the advantage when he sees a blitz. I expect him to read the defense better and go through his progressions better. I want to see better timing on the timing routes as well as improved accuracy on several routes including the deep ball. I would like to see improved football IQ including a better understanding of situations, use of time outs and clock management. If he stays healthy he has a chance to end his career with lofty numbers, but more importantly he has a chance to win games. Right now SU is 13-12 when Nassib is the starter(the past 2 seasons). Oh, and I'd like to see Nassib have more fun.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Truthfully, I expected that this season Nassib would show himself as a guy that would exhibit a true sexual understanding of quarterbacking at the BCS level. Sadly, while at times he appeared to be a true lothario, at others he stumbled around the football field like a nervous virgin struggling to get his jeans from being stuck around his ankles.

Now, my expectations have been scaled back a bit. Next season if he shows himself to have the football understanding of say, a gentle and considerate lover, I will consider his progress to be adequate.

 

[orangenauburn]

Truthfully, I expected that this season Nassib would show himself as a guy that would exhibit a true sexual understanding of quarterbacking at the BCS level. Sadly, while at times he appeared to be a true lothario, at others he stumbled around the football field like a nervous virgin struggling to get his jeans from being stuck around his ankles.

Now, my expectations have been scaled back a bit. Next season if he shows himself to have the football understanding of say, a gentle and considerate lover, I will consider his progress to be adequate.

again - poetry to my eyes

 

[kcsu]

Ryan is the safe choice. He is not however a leader. I have never seen Ryan surrounded by other players on the sidelines. Not once. He goes to the bench puts the headset on and is by himself until the next series. I dont think that he commands the respect of his teamates. As to talent marginal at best. He has zero pocket sense, isnt secure with the ball, is a thrower not a passer who has little if any touch. He is however a streak player that when on is very good. A bit of a mystery. I think he lacks confidence and needs a game plan designed to get him off to a good start. Something that the coaches didnt realize. Less Baily off tackle to start the game and more easy throws for Ryan and i believe we would have done much better. Ok Cuse have at it!

 

[Orangello]

Improvement in this context is like asking if you're better off driving a Pinto or a Yugo. I have no doubt that (i) he'll be the QB again next year, (ii) we'll have the same OC next year and (iii) the offense will continue to stink up the joint in the worst BCS conference.

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

Ryan Nassib is the college version of Kyle Orton. Decent numbers, decent arm, and manages to beat bad teams. Both guys lack the ability to make a play when things break down. There are two ways to make a play on third down when things go wrong. A QB can either slide in the pocket and look down the field or take off running. Nassib and Orton can do neither, which limits the team incredibly. Problem for SU is I don't think they have a Tebow on the bench.

 

[rosconey]

being a qb is way more than leg speed ,arm strength -

its more about mental toughness and being able to be the calm man when all hell is braking loose-

ryan may have the physical tools,the mental ones he hasnt shown

add in a system that just doesnt work,oline that is as good as dog turds in the rain and i dont have alot of faith in next season

 

[GoSU96]

If our offense sputters again we have to give someone else a shot to at least try something new. Look what Rutgers did and they are bowling.

You want to point to Rutgers as a model of how to run an offense?

Hahahahahahhahahah.

You think THAT's the reason they are in a bowl game?

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You want to point to Rutgers as a model of how to run an offense?

Hahahahahahhahahah.

You think THAT's the reason they are in a bowl game?

I think credit should be given to Schiano. He's clearly a limited coach. However, he will change it up and try everything and anything if what is happening on offense isn't currently working, no matter how desperate it looks.

 

[syr02esq]

You want to point to Rutgers as a model of how to run an offense?

Hahahahahahhahahah.

You think THAT's the reason they are in a bowl game?

I hate Rutgers but Shady made some hard decisions by replacing the incumbent starters with the backup. That helped them win no doubt. Point is sometimes you have to go to the QB to shake things up when things are stale.

 

[Scooch]

All I know is that if our OL can't pass protect, again, then it doesn't matter. Nassib is a'ight, as the kids say, when he has a little time. When he doesn't he's flat out bad since he has no ability to extend a play.

I don't expect the OL to be much better, because it's going on a decade that they've sucked. Yes, sucked.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

Going off the premise that Nassib will be our starter for all of next season so please take any personal vendetta elsewhere.

For all his consitancy issues Nassib did improve statistically last year vs what was decidedly a tougher schedule and with one less weapon at WR. Given that, a linear projected improvement isn't much of a stretch.

Season : 2010 -----> 2011 -----> 2012 projected
Comp%: 56.4 ----> 62.4 -----> 69
Yards : 2334 ----> 2685 -----> 3088
TD : 19 ----> 22 -----> 25
INT : 8 ----> 9 -----> 10
Comp : 202 ----> 259
Att : 358 ----> 415

If Nassib has identical progression he will on pace to complete 69% for over 3000 yards with 25 TD's and 10 int's. On paper that looks like a pretty good season but will that be enough to silence the naysayers? It would be nice to have him put up huge numbers but personally I'd like to see improved production (262 completions vs 380 attempts = 69%) on fewer attempts since more attempts will mean the running game isn't much of a weapon once again.

IMHO if he shows somewhere close to linear improvement and the running game can get back to at least 2010 production (1822 yards 4.1 YPC 13 TDs vs 1445 yards 3.6 YPC 10 TDs) our offense should look competent finally. If we can get 3000+ yards w/ 25 TDs from Nassib and 2000+ yards w/ 20 TDs from the running game we should very much be in the running to win the conference since the defense should improve.

So 69% / 3000 yards / 25 TD's / 10 int's is a somewhat logical progression for Nassib. I'm looking for him to acheive this with 262 completions on 380 attempts.

As a fan what do you expect he'll acheive? What do you hope he'll acheive? any reasoning for it?

Well, the yards, completion percentage, and TD's would all be school records for a season. It would be hard to find a lot of fault with that, especially when you throw in the favorable TD/INT ratio. It wouldn't make him Peyton Manning, but by historical measures at SU it would be pretty damn good.

All that aside, it would also mean that we would have to throw the most passes in SU history, and given Doug's offensive philosophy that would probably be an indication that we had no running game. So I guess if Ryan achieves those numbers, it is unlikely to be a barometer of a great season for the team, IMHO.

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

Well, the yards, completion percentage, and TD's would all be school records for a season. It would be hard to find a lot of fault with that, especially when you throw in the favorable TD/INT ratio. It wouldn't make him Peyton Manning, but by historical measures at SU it would be pretty damn good.

All that aside, it would also mean that we would have to throw the most passes in SU history, and given Doug's offensive philosophy that would probably be an indication that we had no running game. So I guess if Ryan achieves those numbers, it is unlikely to be a barometer of a great season for the team, IMHO.

If we speed up the tempo, make adjustments to the playcalling, and can find just a few more catches vs drops, we can easily pound the ball and still outpace old passing records.

 

[rrlbees]

Few will agree with me, but I think the strength of the team next year will be the passing game.

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

Few will agree with me, but I think the strength of the team next year will be the passing game.

If the RT can pass block. I agree.

 

[Scooch]

Few will agree with me, but I think the strength of the team next year will be the passing game.

One could argue that the "strength" of this year's team was the passing game.

Ugh.

 

[NailstheCusefan12]

If the RT can pass block. I agree.

Don't you know the ONLY problem with the offensive line is that awful center with the familiar last name?!

 

[OrangeMuskyFish]

Don't you know the ONLY problem with the offensive line is that awful center with the familiar last name?!

I'm certainly not happy with the middle of the line... but I feel that if rolling out to his arm side may no longer constitute as suicide, then Ryan can show that the talent and system can be much more dangerous than what it has been. Is it a cure all, hell no, but it is certainly an area of reasonable expectation for improvement.

 

[NailstheCusefan12]

I'm certainly not happy with the middle of the line... but I feel that if rolling out to his arm side may no longer constitute as suicide, then Ryan can show that the talent and system can be much more dangerous than what it has been. Is it a cure all, hell no, but it is certainly an area of reasonable expectation for improvement.

I was being sarcastic...and I agree with you that being able to escape to his right will absolutely help him. I like him on the run going that way.

 

[Dick_in_MI]

One could argue that the "strength" of this year's team was the passing game.

Ugh.

A case could be made for the rush D as being the strength of this past year's team. I believe we ranked top 30-ish in that catagory. That said, the passing game accounted overwhelmingly for our offensive yardage and TD production, so yeah one could indeed argue your point even though our ranking nationally in that catagory was very mediocre if I recall.

I'll second the "ugh"

 

[ImperialOrange]

69% completion percentage would place him around top 10 in the country for this year. He won't hit that number next year.

He was at 71.4% after 4 games. Not saying he'll do that next year, but if his off games aren't as far off and his on games are a bit more on it could happen.