What people calling for Carney are really saying

[OttoinGrotto]

Quick recap of how we arrived where we are today: Collins transferred in, Collins was QB1 out of spring, we picked up Angeli, there was a QB competition (supposedly), Angeli won, Angeli got hurt, Collins has not played well in any game he's appeared in for us.

When people say they want to see Carney, what they're saying is we already know enough about Collins. They're saying there isn't any more upside there. They're saying the way he has played is as well as he can play at this level, at this time.

So when people ask why they want to see Carney, it's a combination of a) not having any faith that Collins plays better/can play better otherwise we would have seen it by now so there's little risk in b) seeing if Carney has anything because we just don't know. It's not ideal for him to play right now. But maybe he's a gamer. Maybe he has "it." Maybe a change sparks a dead offense.

I'm on board with the plan that if Carney doesn't start, he gets some reps with the 1s over the next two weeks and comes in at the first sign of trouble with Collins. I'm also in favor of the stealth move to get Carney ready to start but not announce it.

I think with Collins it's more likely it gets worse instead of better. Between the Gattis thing, player frustration on the field, Cook's uncle, etc. there are signs that the confidence just isn't there. Collins would have to basically go from where he is to nearly flawless to overcome that. I just can't see how that's likely. So let's give Carney a shot. And if he drowns out there, give Belin a shot. And if none of them have "it" we know we need to recruit QBs even harder.

 

[OrangeTarheel]

I disagree about it not improving, we will continue to see some improvement (Fran said he told Rickie “it can’t get worse, right?”) Human development is not always consistent and/or predictable.

I’m more worried about the other side of the ball where the entire defense seems to be poorly coached in tackling and execution. Sure, we need points to win, but if we didn’t give up so many points maybe we could have a more balanced offense. Sure would help ANY QB we put back there.

 

[hoopsupstate]

These are the same people who were screaming for Collins in the UCONN game. Let the coaches coach. They know a lot more about their personnel than fans.

 

[XC Cuse]

These are the same people who were screaming for Collins in the UCONN game. Let the coaches coach. They know a lot more about their personnel than fans.

Nope, I was never asking for Angeli to be benched during UConn. This is different Angeli struggled for a half, Collins has shown nothing in 2 games.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I disagree about it not improving, we will continue to see some improvement (Fran said he told Rickie “it can’t get worse, right?”) Human development is not always consistent and/or predictable.

I’m more worried about the other side of the ball where the entire defense seems to be poorly coached in tackling and execution. Sure, we need points to win, but if we didn’t give up so many points maybe we could have a more balanced offense. Sure would help ANY QB we put back there.

Defense definitely remains an issue.

 

[CanadianSU]

These are the same people who were screaming for Collins in the UCONN game. Let the coaches coach. They know a lot more about their personnel than fans.

Lot of this was because we were told the qb contest was super close which upon watching Collins was total fabrication.

 

[Dinkyspond]

Lot of this was because we were told the qb contest was super close which upon watching Collins was total fabrication.

Gotta be true. Collins was here since January and participated in spring ball. Angeli gets here in May/June and beats him out. Had to be definitive. No matter how much we hate on Pena, he knew something. I also think our decision to run it in on the first drive and not have Collins throw any passes shows the lack of confidence in Collins by the coaching staff. Plus the onfield frustration with Collins by Mack and Gattis, not to mention Cook's uncle calling into a postgame radio show. The locker room is probably lost. This season is spinning out of control fast and may not be salvagable. 3-9 is a real possibility.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

One other thing - having "it" doesn't mean the QB has to look like they're future all-ACC or anything. It means they look competent. Jacobian Morgan had "it," for example. It's about command of the position. That's why I think it's so hard to watch Collins. We're four games in now and at no point watching him has it come across that he looks like the guys are looking to him to lead them. He seems like he's just one of the 11 lining up on offense.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Quick recap of how we arrived where we are today: Collins transferred in, Collins was QB1 out of spring, we picked up Angeli, there was a QB competition (supposedly), Angeli won, Angeli got hurt, Collins has not played well in any game he's appeared in for us.

When people say they want to see Carney, what they're saying is we already know enough about Collins. They're saying there isn't any more upside there. They're saying the way he has played is as well as he can play at this level, at this time.

So when people ask why they want to see Carney, it's a combination of a) not having any faith that Collins plays better/can play better otherwise we would have seen it by now so there's little risk in b) seeing if Carney has anything because we just don't know. It's not ideal for him to play right now. But maybe he's a gamer. Maybe he has "it." Maybe a change sparks a dead offense.

I'm on board with the plan that if Carney doesn't start, he gets some reps with the 1s over the next two weeks and comes in at the first sign of trouble with Collins. I'm also in favor of the stealth move to get Carney ready to start but not announce it.

I think with Collins it's more likely it gets worse instead of better. Between the Gattis thing, player frustration on the field, Cook's uncle, etc. there are signs that the confidence just isn't there. Collins would have to basically go from where he is to nearly flawless to overcome that. I just can't see how that's likely. So let's give Carney a shot. And if he drowns out there, give Belin a shot. And if none of them have "it" we know we need to recruit QBs even harder.

You forgot Trebor Pena leaving

 

[OttoinGrotto]

You forgot Trebor Pena leaving

I mean, who could forget that?

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Gotta be true. Collins was here since January and participated in spring ball. Angeli gets here in May/June and beats him out. Had to be definitive. No matter how much we hate on Pena, he knew something. I also think our decision to run it in on the first drive and not have Collins throw any passes shows the lack of confidence in Collins by the coaching staff. Plus the onfield frustration with Collins by Mack and Gattis, not to mention Cook's uncle calling into a postgame radio show. The locker room is probably lost. This season is spinning out of control fast and may not be salvagable. 3-9 is a real possibility.

Maybe it’s an Ethan Cole situation. A former hoops insider raved how great he was in practice ( he was good on the practices I went to), but he just couldn’t bring it to the games.

 

[Blanko97]

I disagree about it not improving, we will continue to see some improvement (Fran said he told Rickie “it can’t get worse, right?”) Human development is not always consistent and/or predictable.

I’m more worried about the other side of the ball where the entire defense seems to be poorly coached in tackling and execution. Sure, we need points to win, but if we didn’t give up so many points maybe we could have a more balanced offense. Sure would help ANY QB we put back there.

We know the defense was bad, we didn’t know the QB depth was Jim existent. Just makes me wonder how anyone could've watched Collin’s in practice and thought he was anywhere close to Angeli.

 

[javadoc]

Lot of this was because we were told the qb contest was super close which upon watching Collins was total fabrication.

I don’t think most people believed that no matter what Fran said.

 

[pacusewife]

Maybe it’s an Ethan Cole situation. A former hoops insider raved how great he was in practice ( he was good on the practices I went to), but he just couldn’t bring it to the games.

Kind of what I was thinking too

 

[Cuse On 3]

What did you guys think Fran was gonna do, say Rickie sucks? Lol

 

[phil77]

Look at the players body language it’s over for Collins his teammates don’t believe in him. They can say all the correct things after the game etc but their body language during the game tells the story. Fran has to make change for the team Collins has shown nothing in his time on the field that he either deserves the job or can get the job done.